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Old 10-04-2011   #101
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Also, people complain when Mario's sacks are against TEs or when he gets by unblocked or whatnot. Just go take a look at all the top pass rushers and that's fairly common. Great plays are made when these players get in good matchups... all across the league. Mario, Clay Matthews, Babin, you name it.
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It doesn't matter one bit to me if our front seven are getting hits and sacks by running through guards, tackles, TE's or RB's. I'm glad to see them actually getting to the passer before the ball is released for a long TD.
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Please show me one instance where the other team has done anything that makes you think they are focusing on stopping Mario. He lines up opposite the TE and he hardly ever gets double teamed. How is this game planning going on if he is getting one on one 99% of the time?
I just happen to find this earlier today. This is from the Steeler's game, but I've been seeing them do it since the Miami game. This might be something that happens all the time, but it's the first time I noticed it. Mario has to go through the TE & then the LT. It's not a traditional double team, but it's two guys dedicated to stopping Mario.
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I just happen to find this earlier today. This is from the Steeler's game, but I've been seeing them do it since the Miami game. This might be something that happens all the time, but it's the first time I noticed it. Mario has to go through the TE & then the LT. It's not a traditional double team, but it's two guys dedicated to stopping Mario.
I'd hazard a guess that teams are so fearful now of the threat from Watt, Smith & Barwin, not to mention Cush or Meco coming from the middle, that the most they can give up is an extra TE to help out with Mario, that is going to cause serious problems for OC's not to mention it removes a recieving threat from the play.
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I'd hazard a guess that teams are so fearful now of the threat from Watt, Smith & Barwin, not to mention Cush or Meco coming from the middle, that the most they can give up is an extra TE to help out with Mario, that is going to cause serious problems for OC's not to mention it removes a recieving threat from the play.
agree if you watch the games, if mario moves sides then the qb will usually shift the TE back to the side mario is on, i saw it in 1 game where mario switched sides twice and the TE changed sides twice as well haha
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This is what I saw in reviewing the 1st half of the Steelers game.

1 - standing, single on LT, no TE.
2 - standing, single on LT, no TE.
3 - standing, LT and then RB, no TE.
4 - standing, LT let Mario by to get hit by RB on attempted screen.
5 - hand down, TE and RT.
6 - hand down, takes on RT and RG.
7 - standing, single on RT.

1 - standing, single on LT, TE released to receive screen.

1 - hand down, RT and RB.
2 - hand down, single on RT, no TE.
3 - hand down across from RT, no TE, drops into coverage.
4 - Reed in.
5 - Reed in.
6 - hand down, single on RT, no TE.
7 - hand down, RT and RB.
8 - hand down, RT and RG.
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Also, people complain when Mario's sacks are against TEs or when he gets by unblocked or whatnot. Just go take a look at all the top pass rushers and that's fairly common. Great plays are made when these players get in good matchups... all across the league. Mario, Clay Matthews, Babin, you name it.
Don't go getting all logical with your truth junk...
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I just happen to find this earlier today. This is from the Steeler's game, but I've been seeing them do it since the Miami game. This might be something that happens all the time, but it's the first time I noticed it. Mario has to go through the TE & then the LT. It's not a traditional double team, but it's two guys dedicated to stopping Mario.
Smith has to do a similar thing going against the LG as well as the RB. Frees up Barwin to get the sack on the stunt move.
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Oh lord here we go AGAIN.


I DO LIKE BOTH PLAYERS! Just because you have certain criticisms about a player, or like the play of another player more, that doesn't mean you hate the guy.


Unlike some of y'all, I can root for both players instead of tearing one down to build another up.
When it comes to Mario you better be praising the mighty beast or you are committing sacralidge. Seriously people here have lost all objectivity when it comes to Mario.
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When it comes to Mario you better be praising the mighty beast or you are committing sacralidge. Seriously people here have lost all objectivity when it comes to Mario.
Well everybody knows we should have picked Reggie or VY over his sissy-pansy-ass.
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When it comes to Mario you better be praising the mighty beast or you are committing sacralidge. Seriously people here have lost all objectivity when it comes to Mario.
There is no objectivity anywhere in the sports section of these forums anymore ..... you cant post positive nor negatve remarks without them being blown totally out of proportion.

(At least there is some objectivity in the NSZ tho not much)
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It doesn't matter one bit to me if our front seven are getting hits and sacks by running through guards, tackles, TE's or RB's. I'm glad to see them actually getting to the passer before the ball is released for a long TD.
This!

I don't care who is getting the pressure. The DL if finally getting there in time instead of being just inches away as in the past.
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Please show me one instance where the other team has done anything that makes you think they are focusing on stopping Mario. He lines up opposite the TE and he hardly ever gets double teamed. How is this game planning going on if he is getting one on one 99% of the time?
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When it comes to Mario you better be praising the mighty beast or you are committing sacralidge. Seriously people here have lost all objectivity when it comes to Mario.
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This is what I saw in reviewing the 1st half of the Steelers game.

1 - standing, single on LT, no TE.
2 - standing, single on LT, no TE.
3 - standing, LT and then RB, no TE.
4 - standing, LT let Mario by to get hit by RB on attempted screen.
5 - hand down, TE and RT.
6 - hand down, takes on RT and RG.
7 - standing, single on RT.

1 - standing, single on LT, TE released to receive screen.

1 - hand down, RT and RB.
2 - hand down, single on RT, no TE.
3 - hand down across from RT, no TE, drops into coverage.
4 - Reed in.
5 - Reed in.
6 - hand down, single on RT, no TE.
7 - hand down, RT and RB.
8 - hand down, RT and RG.
Hmmkay
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What is this supposed to show that Pitt game planned specific for Mario?

Watch the games, there is no game planning to stop Mario. These are basic protection schemes. If they were game planning to stop him he would never get one on one opportunities. Which he does boatloads of times each game.

Thats what you people that are so enamored with Mario at OLB need to focus on. The one on one opportunities that Mario has been getting each game. Like it or not he is getting a ton of them and is seldom winning them. It is what it is. That is where he should shine because of the position he is playing and he simply isn't accomplishing what he should be in those situations.

If you just want to look at stats and ignore the possibilities thats fine with me but when you consider what he could be doing to opposing guards ala Smith with his abilities in this scheme, it seems to me his natural talent is being wasted.

I would much rather see him inside closer to the ball creating mismatches against less athletic guards than lined up outside far away from the ball going against the best OL on the opposing team. Guess I'm just stupid like that.
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Thats what you people that are so enamored with Mario at OLB need to focus on. The one on one opportunities that Mario has been getting each game. Like it or not he is getting a ton of them and is seldom winning them. It is what it is. That is where he should shine because of the position he is playing and he simply isn't accomplishing what he should be in those situations.
So if we allow Winston or Brown to go one on one with Freeney, Mathis, Harrison or Wake, we aren't game planning against them?
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What is this supposed to show that Pitt game planned specific for Mario?

Watch the games, there is no game planning to stop Mario. These are basic protection schemes. If they were game planning to stop him he would never get one on one opportunities.
I do agree that some basic protection schemes call for double teams, but I disagree that teams gameplanning for him means he'd never see one on one opprotunities.

That makes 0 sense. If we bring 7 and they leave 6 in to block and they double team Mario that means they'd be leaving 2 free rushers just to double Mario. That makes no sense and there isn't a player in the NFL that gets that kind of treament because it'd be stupid.
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What is this supposed to show that Pitt game planned specific for Mario?

Watch the games, there is no game planning to stop Mario. These are basic protection schemes. If they were game planning to stop him he would never get one on one opportunities. Which he does boatloads of times each game.

Thats what you people that are so enamored with Mario at OLB need to focus on. The one on one opportunities that Mario has been getting each game. Like it or not he is getting a ton of them and is seldom winning them. It is what it is. That is where he should shine because of the position he is playing and he simply isn't accomplishing what he should be in those situations.

If you just want to look at stats and ignore the possibilities thats fine with me but when you consider what he could be doing to opposing guards ala Smith with his abilities in this scheme, it seems to me his natural talent is being wasted.

I would much rather see him inside closer to the ball creating mismatches against less athletic guards than lined up outside far away from the ball going against the best OL on the opposing team. Guess I'm just stupid like that.
Are you under the (mistaken) impression that when guys get "game planned" for that they will NEVER get One-on-One opportunities? I guess all the rest of the NFL sack leaders never get those one-on-ones either?


If you don't think every team on the Texans schedule "game plans" for Mario, you've sorely underestimated NFL coaching.
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What is this supposed to show that Pitt game planned specific for Mario?

Watch the games, there is no game planning to stop Mario. These are basic protection schemes. If they were game planning to stop him he would never get one on one opportunities. Which he does boatloads of times each game.

Thats what you people that are so enamored with Mario at OLB need to focus on. The one on one opportunities that Mario has been getting each game. Like it or not he is getting a ton of them and is seldom winning them. It is what it is. That is where he should shine because of the position he is playing and he simply isn't accomplishing what he should be in those situations.

If you just want to look at stats and ignore the possibilities thats fine with me but when you consider what he could be doing to opposing guards ala Smith with his abilities in this scheme, it seems to me his natural talent is being wasted.

I would much rather see him inside closer to the ball creating mismatches against less athletic guards than lined up outside far away from the ball going against the best OL on the opposing team. Guess I'm just stupid like that.
Well I'm glad to see some other posters have already beaten me to the punch. I don't even know where to begin.

First I guess I'd say I was never concerned with the "Mario to OLB" talk because I knew that's not what was actually going to happen. He plays some OLB, he plays a lot on the line in a 4-3 or a 5-2. I never cared about that talk because Wade is putting him in the best position to succeed and/or help the team... that's not the typical OLB spot most people think of in a 3-4.

Secondly, gameplanning against him. I think OC's gameplan against Mario, Smith and Watt big time. These 3 guys in the trenches are studs. The quoted I had previously showed how Mario wasn't 1-on-1 with TEs like you so desperately wish everyone would believe. You tell us to watch the games? Maybe you should because you're obviously not seeing what we're seeing. I'm not saying Mario is double/triple teamed every play and he's the best ever and deserves zero criticism. That's not what this is about. He needs to improve in my opinion but you wanted one example where he wasn't on a TE one on on? Well you got like 8 just from the 1st half, last game.

We agree on one point though, I want to see him on the line as much as possible. That's where he excels. I think we're starting to see that and will continue to see that.

Here's your boy Clay Matthews (who I absolutely love as a player too, by the way, so I'm not hating). How many of his sacks from his record year were on double triple teams? How many were unblocked? How many were just on the TAckle? Players take advantage when they're in that situation.
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What is this supposed to show that Pitt game planned specific for Mario?

Watch the games, there is no game planning to stop Mario. These are basic protection schemes. If they were game planning to stop him he would never get one on one opportunities. Which he does boatloads of times each game.

Thats what you people that are so enamored with Mario at OLB need to focus on. The one on one opportunities that Mario has been getting each game. Like it or not he is getting a ton of them and is seldom winning them. It is what it is. That is where he should shine because of the position he is playing and he simply isn't accomplishing what he should be in those situations.

If you just want to look at stats and ignore the possibilities thats fine with me but when you consider what he could be doing to opposing guards ala Smith with his abilities in this scheme, it seems to me his natural talent is being wasted.

I would much rather see him inside closer to the ball creating mismatches against less athletic guards than lined up outside far away from the ball going against the best OL on the opposing team. Guess I'm just stupid like that.
if u recorded the game go back and watch. The TE would motion to M.W side every time, i even saw the QB motion him back and forth cause M.W kept switching sides. I'm sorry man but O.C's do gameplan for Williams.
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Default Re: Mario FREAKING WILLIAMS....

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Well everybody knows we should have picked Reggie or VY over his sissy-pansy-ass.
You keep dangling the bait but ain't nobody biting.
(and, no, this doesn't count)
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