Fire Kareem Jackson

[Thorn]

Originally Posted by brakos82

10 points.

0 Kareem Jacksons.

'Nuff said.

Over react much? KJ is what he is. So far he has proven he is NOT worth pick. We shall see what we shall see.

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[steelbtexan]

Not a big Allen fan. But playing against Ben is different than playing against Collins/Henne.

KJ= Bust and it's time to admit this and move on. IMHO

[srrono]

Allen did have the benefit of a gross off line of Pittsburgh. Allen isnt the answer he was being abuse when Fat Boy had time to throw which wasnt that often. Our future 2nd CB isnt on this roster unless 1 of the rookies start to shine.

[gary]

As good as the defense is think about how much better it would be with a good number two corner and if Cody became a backup NT but right now he is all they have.

[playa465]

Allen= better speed so he can sometimes be in position to make plays (learning curve is just about where it always will be)...he has better cover skills but maybe has mental lapses

KJ= Slower and will get run by, but he tackles much better (learning curve still high)...he will never be a cover corner but probably will become a better overall player

Both are not worthy of being CB2, but its all we have or the only ones the coaches have faith in

[silvrhand]

Originally Posted by srrono

Allen did have the benefit of a gross off line of Pittsburgh. Allen isnt the answer he was being abuse when Fat Boy had time to throw which wasnt that often. Our future 2nd CB isnt on this roster unless 1 of the rookies start to shine.

Exactly we had 5 sacks and a TON of pressures, we didn't let Ben play his game of moving up in the pocket and getting outside and extending the play.

The sacks/pressure can make a average CB look like a star.

[foo82]

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

Not a big Allen fan. But playing against Ben is different than playing against Collins/Henne.

KJ= Bust and it's time to admit this and move on. IMHO

How can anyone be a bust after one season? I don't understand you guys reasoning. Ugh these message boards take stupidity to another level.

[Rey]

Originally Posted by foo82

How can anyone be a bust after one season? I don't understand you guys reasoning. Ugh these message boards take stupidity to another level.

They are assuming or suggesting that he will never get any better than what he is now. If that thought holds true, then he would be a bust.

If you think he can potentially get better it would be cool to me if you posted that and why.

[GP]

Originally Posted by foo82

How can anyone be a bust after one season? I don't understand you guys reasoning. Ugh these message boards take stupidity to another level.

From what I heard, at a press conference where Saban was discussing with reporters about all the Crimson Tide players entering the draft....when they asked Saban about Kareem Jackson (who left Alabama a year early to enter the draft) Saban was eerily quiet and not nearly as vocally supportive of KJ's decision.

Supposedly, Saban felt like KJ needed a senior year before heading to the NFL. You listen to 'Bama fans who watched all those games, and you'll hear them talking about how KJ has problems NOW that he had back as a junior at 'Bama.

Lack of growth, nagging problems that remain still today, etc. You get the sense that he has reached his ceiling and the ceiling is low. It doesn't mean he is a total bust...but perhaps he needs to be a nickel CB or tried out at safety or used as depth.

Imagine if we had a CB2 who was on the same footing as Joseph is right now. Instead, we have Jason Allen and KJ who are a bump down from Joseph. If this team can get its CB2, whomever it will be, to step up and be as consistent as Joseph...sky is the limit for the Texans.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Rey

They are assuming or suggesting that he will never get any better than what he is now. If that thought holds true, then he would be a bust.

If you think he can potentially get better it would be cool to me if you posted that and why.

All he had to do was attack the ball on three plays against New Orleans. He's looking at the QB, when he sees that QB wind up, attack the route, attack the WR, attack the ball........ that's when you drive forward.

If he'd have done that, broke up those passes.... he'd have had a nice, quiet game.

This isn't a woulda/coulda/shoulda thing.... I'm saying, he's three plays away from a solid game.

Consistency is his biggest problem. Consitency is Allen's biggest problem.

Jackson was 3 plays away from a solid game against Brees. He was solid against Henne & Collins. Allen had a solid game against Ben......

If we were playing Brees today, that period in the 3rd when Ben went after Allen.... would have been totally different.

[Rey]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

If we were playing Brees today, that period in the 3rd when Ben went after Allen.... would have been totally different.

Personally I like Allen better simply because both will be beat and picked on, but Allen has shown the ability to make big plays whereas Kareem hasn't.

And that has been my stance since way back in the 76Texan threads.

I'd rather have the guy out there who has shown that he will/can make big plays.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Rey

Personally I like Allen better simply because both will be beat and picked on, but Allen has shown the ability to make big plays whereas Kareem hasn't.

I personally believe over the course of a season Allen will give up more TDs than Jackson. I think Jackson does a better job of keeping the ball in front of him.

But, I'm rewatching this game now... & that hit to Hines Ward....

I Likey.

[HTown2ATX]

Originally Posted by EllisUnit

actually i think allen WAS a first round pick.

http://sports.outsidethebeltway.com/...ns-draft-bust/

Not a Texans 1st rounder....that is what I was referring to.