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Old 10-02-2011   #21
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Not sure if those kinda stats are available. But I doubt i'm the only one who thinks Allen was picked on and targeted in this game. Even one of the commentators mentioned that very thing.

I just don't like when people obviously scapegoat a player and pretend he is most of the problem. The first two weeks KJ was solid, where were the big mistakes? He gets burned against a elite defense and lets not forget there was no pass rush and everyone is ready to send him packing and start a guy who has had numerous chances at starting but can't win the job. Allen looks just as bad as KJ, and i'm not even saying KJ is good or he should be the #2 CB of this team, but Allen was not any better. Did he make some plays and look solid at times, yep. But so has Kareem the first two weeks.
Ok here its simple. JoJo covered wallace all game and he had 4 rec for 77 yards he was tagreted 4 times. A few of those were against zone. J. Allen covered A. Brown who had 5 rec for 67 yards and was thrown to 10 times. dont look like he was abused to me just saying
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The DB's all looked a lot better when they started lining up at the LOS and stopped giving up the huge cushion. It cut down on a lot of the pitch and catch 1st downs we're so used to seeing.
Not sure what is up with that cushion, but often times you see it and surprise the opposing QB goes right that way to pick up a free 7 or 8 yards.
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Ok here its simple. JoJo covered wallace all game and he had 4 rec for 77 yards he was tagreted 4 times. A few of those were against zone. J. Allen covered A. Brown who had 5 rec for 67 yards and was thrown to 10 times. dont look like he was abused to me just saying
40 of Wallace's yds came against zone with Manning doing his best to stay with him. All in all, we didn't get abused in the passing game.
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Ok here its simple. JoJo covered wallace all game and he had 4 rec for 77 yards he was tagreted 4 times. A few of those were against zone. J. Allen covered A. Brown who had 5 rec for 67 yards and was thrown to 10 times. dont look like he was abused to me just saying
Listen to the numbers, They'll tell you Allen played better than Joseph.

Lets remember that Wallace picked up 40 yards that Joseph had nothing to do with.
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I think it's a wash really. For whatever reason I'm more comfortable with Allen back there than KJ and I always have been BUT I will readily admit that there's no real difference between the two when it's all said and done. They both kinda suck, just in different ways. I find watching Allen being abused less stressful for some reason than watching Kareem be abused. I can't explain why.
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They both stink. The only difference between today and last week was the pressure we were getting on the QB.
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Listen to the numbers, They'll tell you Allen played better than Joseph.

Lets remember that Wallace picked up 40 yards that Joseph had nothing to do with.
i said against zone, BUT this is not about JoJo i added him to it to show who was covering who. Allen was thrown at 10 times and only allowed 5 rec for 67 yards, that is not getting abused.
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They both stink. The only difference between today and last week was the pressure we were getting on the QB.
Allen looked better than KJ last season as well, and thats when pressure was far in between.
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I think it's a wash really. For whatever reason I'm more comfortable with Allen back there than KJ and I always have been BUT I will readily admit that there's no real difference between the two when it's all said and done. They both kinda suck, just in different ways. I find watching Allen being abused less stressful for some reason than watching Kareem be abused. I can't explain why.
I am not backing Kareem, I have admitted that they both are pretty bad.

I think this is what it comes down to. It's because Kareem was our #1 pick and doesn't show any promise.
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They both stink. The only difference between today and last week was the pressure we were getting on the QB.
thats it in a nutshell. we were able to get after rothlisberger today, something we couldnt do against brees in the 4th last week......for whatever reason. how quickly we forget allen getting giving up the big play in the jets game to edwards. how quickly we forget that it was allen getting run over for a td by marshall in the miami game & it was KJ who made the big play to stop a drive that week.

its what hervy said...they both suck its just a week to week thing on who gets the blame for sucking the most.
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To me, the difference is that Allen is the better play maker. They will both give up about the same amount of plays imo, but on occasion Allen will get an INT or a huge hit to break up a pass that KJ does not get. Overall, I do not see much of a difference.

However, with that being said, I like seeing KJ out there. I think Allen has become the player he is going to be, and we have seen that. KJ is in his 2nd year, and while he has not been good, you have to hold out hope that maybe a better D coord in Phillips can fix him, cause right now we really do not have another choice. Maybe the lightbulb will finally come on and he will be a decent qb 2 - we just don't know yet. Allen is just a low wattage bulb - we have figured that out.

Also, just on a side note - you can not compare Brees abusing KJ to this game for Allen. The Saints O is on a whole different level than the steelers - I just do not think that is a fair comparison.
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I STILL say move Quinn back to #2 and put Troy Nolan out there at SS....

Move KJ or Allen to Nickle...
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If anyone watched this game and came away believing we do not need a #2 corner ....
My only problem is deciding corner or WR in first round draft.
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I'm wondering why it's never been brought up before, but KJ seems like he'd be a decent FS. His strengths are not in covering a guy, but he's a good tackler and his coverage skills wouldn't get exposed when he's in the nickel or on man to man
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I'm wondering why it's never been brought up before, but KJ seems like he'd be a decent FS. His strengths are not in covering a guy, but he's a good tackler and his coverage skills wouldn't get exposed when he's in the nickel or on man to man
I had brought this up several times, except I don't think Quin would be any better at CB.

If we can get another CB like Joseph, my preference would be Quin at nickle and Jackson at FS (instead of Quin at FS and Jackson at nickle).
But I can live with either way.
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I had brought this up several times, except I don't think Quin would be any better at CB.

If we can get another CB like Joseph, my preference would be Quin at nickle and Jackson at FS (instead of Quin at FS and Jackson at nickle).
But I can live with either way.
Not happening. Name another team in the NFL not named the Eagles and Jets that has 2 pro bowl corners on their team. It is usually 1 shutdown corner and 1 pretty decent corner...

now the Texans just need to go find that pretty decent corner...
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They're both bad, but if I had to choose, I choose Jason Allen
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The real clincher for me is that if neither of them can be relied on to cover the damn reciever but one of them has a knack for intercepting the ball every now and then, you have to take that.

Allen can be worth 6 INTs or so a season, why not just take that for the rest of the year and look at how to remedy the problem in the offseason, whether that be coaching up a Carmichael/Harris, another high pick, or there is a FA you like, you make do for now and put it high up your list next year.
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Look, my fat drunk ass can probably cover in bump and run better than KJ and I know I read the back of a jersey just as well as him, so I can't really defend him, but, I saw Allen get ate up quite a bit today FWIW.
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I think it's a wash really. For whatever reason I'm more comfortable with Allen back there than KJ and I always have been BUT I will readily admit that there's no real difference between the two when it's all said and done. They both kinda suck, just in different ways. I find watching Allen being abused less stressful for some reason than watching Kareem be abused. I can't explain why.
LMAO....maybe b/c Allen was not a 1st round pick. Also, for some reason KJ burns are just epic where as Allen burns are not as bad.....just bad
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