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Old 10-02-2011   #1
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Default Fire Kareem Jackson

10 points.

0 Kareem Jacksons.

'Nuff said.
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Rep your way if it lets me. You play what works, and Allen just works at CB2.

Make KJ the nickel man like we all know he SHOULD BE.
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You know, you could have at least constructed a better argument. You realize that in first 2 games, Texans kept opposing teams to 20 combined points?
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Man I swear....Allen was picked on all game long and because he gets a INT on a hail mary pass he is redeemed?

It's funny because when KJ created a fumble week two barely anyone mentions it after the game.

Lets not act like the Texans have never won a game with KJ starting.
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Between KJ and Allen it really is a toss up - one week Allen plays better, another week KJ plays better. Today Allen did NOT play good. Yeah, he had that interception on the hail mary, but besides that he got picked on just like KJ gets picked on on bad days. We have a problem at CB2 - but firing a rookie in just his second year is not the answer. Signing a legit CB2 and putting Jackson at Nickle might be the answer. But I don`t see that coming - so until then, let both those guys play and see, who first can turn the corner.

But you are right, next week I would start Allen to see if he can take some momentum with him.
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Default Re: Fire Kareem Jackson

He looked about as good as Jackson to me. He had slightly better coverage at some points, but he also had some pretty big screw ups on the short passes. He did have that nice hit to cause the incomplete on 3rd down.

At this point I'd just weigh the good plays with the bad plays. There are some plays Allen made that could cost us the game, but there were some plays he made that could win us the game (like the incomplete, and the interception at the end.
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Man I swear....Allen was picked on all game long and because he gets a INT on a hail mary pass he is redeemed?

It's funny because when KJ created a fumble week two barely anyone mentions it after the game.

Lets not act like the Texans have never won a game with KJ starting.
let me see these stats that allen was picked on all game ???? KJ gave up 8 of 9 last week what was allens ? Wallace had the best day for the steelers and that was with JoJo covering him.
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^With the above two posters over ellis

That's exactly why these two are splitting time. Because they both can't win the job.
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Man I swear....Allen was picked on all game long and because he gets a INT on a hail mary pass he is redeemed?

It's funny because when KJ created a fumble week two barely anyone mentions it after the game.

Lets not act like the Texans have never won a game with KJ starting.
Allen had some pretty good coverages today. I'm not gonna complain about him.
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Man I swear....Allen was picked on all game long and because he gets a INT on a hail mary pass he is redeemed?

It's funny because when KJ created a fumble week two barely anyone mentions it after the game.

Lets not act like the Texans have never won a game with KJ starting.
even on his bad plays allen was significantly better today than KJ. steelers picked on him at times, but he never looked as clueless as KJ often looks.
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KJ would get abused in the slot.
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only bad play by allen i remeber was when he looked over his shoulder for the ball on the inside and the ball was thrown to the outside. He had good coverage just lost the ball.
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I really didn't see Allen looking 'solid' or 'okay' it looked pretty much the same.

Huge cushion...completion...repeat

As for him doing okay for some coverages...Kareem has done okay for some coverages also, but since he's the scapegoat (Evident that after a win people still complain about him)people just shrug it off. Kareem played okay the first two games and bad against the Saints, no big surprise there.
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I really didn't see Allen looking 'solid' or 'okay' it looked pretty much the same.

Huge cushion...completion...repeat

As for him doing okay for some coverages...Kareem has done okay for some coverages also, but since he's the scapegoat (Evident that after a win people still complain about him)people just shrug it off. Kareem played okay the first two games and bad against the Saints, no big surprise there.
like i said what were the stats against allen ??? it was 8 of 9 against KJ last week.
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I honestly dont see how Jackson gets back on the field.

(unless it's because of injury to someone else)

wasted pick, it happens, move on..

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J Allen did as good as could be expected, IMO. He allowed some catches, but he was on the guy as soon as the catch was made. The big difference is that he does'nt get torched for huge gains like KJ does.

I don't what more we can expect from Allen; it's like some people expect the other team to NEVER get open. This is the NFL, which is more and more a passing league. QB's own the league, teams are going tom make plays in the passing game. JJ24 and Allen held Big Ben to 206 yards and 10 points. I'm not complainin.
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This kind of game from Allen is what I thought he brought to the table over Jackson. If he plays enough he will get his hands on balls and make some plays deep down the field.

But I do think Kareem has some talent. Im starting to think he'd make a better safety as well.
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like i said what were the stats against allen ??? it was 8 of 9 against KJ last week.
Not sure if those kinda stats are available at this time. But I doubt i'm the only one who thinks Allen was picked on and targeted in this game. Even one of the commentators mentioned that very thing.

I just don't like when people obviously scapegoat a player and pretend he is most of the problem. The first two weeks KJ was solid, where were the big mistakes? He gets burned against a elite offense and lets not forget there was no pass rush and everyone is ready to send him packing and start a guy who has had numerous chances at starting but can't win the job. Allen looks just as bad as KJ, and i'm not even saying KJ is good or he should be the #2 CB of this team, but Allen was not any better. Did he make some plays and look solid at times, yep. But so has Kareem the first two weeks.
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I really didn't see Allen looking 'solid' or 'okay' it looked pretty much the same.

Huge cushion...completion...repeat

As for him doing okay for some coverages...Kareem has done okay for some coverages also, but since he's the scapegoat (Evident that after a win people still complain about him)people just shrug it off. Kareem played okay the first two games and bad against the Saints, no big surprise there.
The DB's all looked a lot better when they started lining up at the LOS and stopped giving up the huge cushion. It cut down on a lot of the pitch and catch 1st downs we're so used to seeing.
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I agree that it's a toss up.

Allen was picked on today, but some of those times he had good coverage and Roethlisburger beat him in a way that would have beaten most #1 CBs. A perfect pass usually beats good coverage, so it's not always the fault of whoever "gets beat."

No way you fire KJ, but he hasn't beaten Allen out....that's for sure. They're both inconsistent, but KJ has more eventual upside............................................ .................................................. .................................................. EVENTUALLY...
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