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Old 10-02-2011   #41
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I still look back to that play when Houston was backed up on their own 4 yard line on a 2nd and 12 (give or take). Foster gets the handoff and Polamalu is right there, he dekes inside to avoid the unabated hit by Troy and Troy almost tripped him up. Even though Foster almost stammers on his own foot he can still break it outside for 20 yards. Sweet. I did not want a 3rd and 15 or whatever - or worse - a fumble down that deep in own own end.
Thats what makes foster so special. Those are the kind of plays that tate can't make. He's just that good man.
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No?

Lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of good things today.

If someone has a complaining mouth today just shoot yourself in the mouth. Thanks in advance.
Honestly, I don't recall ever hearing anyone question Foster's value to the team. That's not to say it hasn't happened, I just don't remember seeing it. He's so much more elusive than anyone else we have. Tate's getting a little more wiggle to him as he gets comfortable but I don't think he'll ever have it to the degree that Foster does.

Foster's just hard to get a hand on and has that ability to sense contact coming and then avoid it.

Having said that if I see something wrong I'm going to complain about it. If hearing (reading) that is a problem I suggest the ignore feature over shooting yourself in the ear (eye?). I'd say "ears" but if you line it up just right one shot will take care of both of them and even if you miss I doubt you'll manage the follow up.

Ignore is really a much better way to deal with that.
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Foster's vision sets him apart from average running backs. That's why the man is elite. That 40+ yard run he has is a perfect example.
The vision to find the hole, and the burst to hit it. Tate is a great back up for foster, but that's what he is to us
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The vision to find the hole, and the burst to hit it. Tate is a great back up for foster, but that's what he is to us
Yep I recall quite a few people on and off the board and in the media questioning fosters value and saying Tate and ward could replace what he brings. I remember folks saying that foster was successful because he fit the system.

I've disagreed with that for a while but sometimes you don't realize how good something is until you go without it for a while.
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With Foster, our O looks really alive and functioning well. He is a franchise back. Pay him Rick.

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What made me sick is hearing friends and "fantasy experts" say how Foster is a "system RB". That's why Tate is successful... and no matter who we throw back there will be great!

I hope today shuts everyone up! Tate, you're a good RB, thanks for the hard work... but it's time for someone special to show you how it's done.

The system and OL the Texans have is good, but it needs Foster to make the rushing attack special.
Why would it?

Arian Foster is a system back. Put David Carr or Dan Orlovsky at QB, & this offense doesn't work. Doesn't change the fact that Schaub is a "system" QB. Though Schaub makes this system "special" he ain't no Elway & I wonder how far he can take this "system"

Ben Tate is a system back... they work for this system.

Foster is special & he makes this "system" special. He's looking more & more like TD to me.
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I say let's see what he does until the bye week. Then if he still is playing well, give him a reasonable contract that is front loaded.
Right. His value and cost can only go down from here. We know what we have in him, just need to make sure he's 100% and not going to re-injure his hammy before doubling down on him.
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Default Re: Anybody still questioning Foster's value the team?

So I'm late to the thread, and maybe just oblivious to what's going on around here, but who ever questioned Foster's value? Just curious.
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So I'm late to the thread, and maybe just oblivious to what's going on around here, but who ever questioned Foster's value? Just curious.
No one.
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When the season started, there were a lot of guys questioning Foster's value since Tate was having such a good season.

"The System" was being over played.
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When the season started, there were a lot of guys questioning Foster's value since Tate was having such a good season.

"The System" was being over played.
Yep. I remember one long-time member saying we should trade him while his value is high, and another questioning his value because he tweets and his mom comes to the forum.

Neither were solid football takes and both should be forgotten due to the annual pre-season crazy-ideas-in-the-noggin' syndrome.
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Never did.

While I think Tate makes a good second back, and he's pretty good from 20 to 20 y/l. Foster? Goal line to Goal line..
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Never did.

While I think Tate makes a good second back, and he's pretty good from 20 to 20 y/l. Foster? Goal line to Goal line..
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Has there ever been a better UDFA RB in the modern era, say from the 60's on? I know Priest Holmes was damn good, but Foster is better imo, and its not even that close. Anyone else? He is on the short list of top UDFA's all time at any position. You get a UDFA, who plays like a 10 top overall pick at RB? That's like going to Vegas and putting a quarter in the slot and walking away a millionaire.

The guy is elite at nearly every valued skill a RB can have with the exception of speed. He has good speed, but I don't think it's elite, but everything else is elite. This guy is special, and I'll say it probably for the first time right here - he is our second HOF player in the making. Yup, mark it here, he is a HOF RB in the making.
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Has there ever been a better UDFA RB in the modern era, say from the 60's on? I know Priest Holmes was damn good, but Foster is better imo, and its not even that close. Anyone else? He is on the short list of top UDFA's all time at any position. You get a UDFA, who plays like a 10 top overall pick at RB? That's like going to Vegas and putting a quarter in the slot and walking away a millionaire.

The guy is elite at nearly every valued skill a RB can have with the exception of speed. He has good speed, but I don't think it's elite, but everything else is elite. This guy is special, and I'll say it probably for the first time right here - he is our second HOF player in the making. Yup, mark it here, he is a HOF RB in the making.
You know, Arian has football speed. Guy prances like a deer an it doesn't look fast but he doesn't get caught in the open field. He's so elusively fast that it tricks the eyes. I bet at full speed he is up there with the other running backs. He ran away from Huff of the Raiders last year in the open field who is supposively a 4.3 guy. I think yesterday showed that Tate isn't even close to Arian.
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Has there ever been a better UDFA RB in the modern era, say from the 60's on? I know Priest Holmes was damn good, but Foster is better imo, and its not even that close. Anyone else? He is on the short list of top UDFA's all time at any position. You get a UDFA, who plays like a 10 top overall pick at RB? That's like going to Vegas and putting a quarter in the slot and walking away a millionaire.

The guy is elite at nearly every valued skill a RB can have with the exception of speed. He has good speed, but I don't think it's elite, but everything else is elite. This guy is special, and I'll say it probably for the first time right here - he is our second HOF player in the making. Yup, mark it here, he is a HOF RB in the making.

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You know, Arian has football speed. Guy prances like a deer an it doesn't look fast but he doesn't get caught in the open field. He's so elusively fast that it tricks the eyes. I bet at full speed he is up there with the other running backs. He ran away from Huff of the Raiders last year in the open field who is supposively a 4.3 guy. I think yesterday showed that Tate isn't even close to Arian.
Surprising number of "elite" running backs did it without elite speed. "Football speed" is different and Arian's got it.
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Has there ever been a better UDFA RB in the modern era, say from the 60's on? I know Priest Holmes was damn good, but Foster is better imo, and its not even that close. Anyone else? He is on the short list of top UDFA's all time at any position. You get a UDFA, who plays like a 10 top overall pick at RB? That's like going to Vegas and putting a quarter in the slot and walking away a millionaire.

The guy is elite at nearly every valued skill a RB can have with the exception of speed. He has good speed, but I don't think it's elite, but everything else is elite. This guy is special, and I'll say it probably for the first time right here - he is our second HOF player in the making. Yup, mark it here, he is a HOF RB in the making.
Sorry he's not there yet, there have been several undrafted free agents that have done well at RB. The NFL has recently changed in the last 10 years to stop drafting RB talent in the first round unless they are truely special and started to go with the 2-3 back systems.
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Surprising number of "elite" running backs did it without elite speed. "Football speed" is different and Arian's got it.
Yeah. The time on the 40 can only tell you so much -- it doesn't tell you about how fast you are while you're making cuts and changing direction. It doesn't tell you much about the back's ability to explode through a hole. You can run a 4.5 or 4.6 and still be a more effective "feature" back in the NFL than a 4.3 guy if you have the "football moves".

It's not unlike a guy throwing a 92 MPH fastball being more effective than someone throwing 100 MPH if the 92 MPH guy also has great location and offspeed pitches.
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Yeah. The time on the 40 can only tell you so much -- it doesn't tell you about how fast you are while you're making cuts and changing direction. It doesn't tell you much about the back's ability to explode through a hole. You can run a 4.5 or 4.6 and still be a more effective "feature" back in the NFL than a 4.3 guy if you have the "football moves".

It's not unlike a guy throwing a 92 MPH fastball being more effective than someone throwing 100 MPH if the 92 MPH guy also has great location and offspeed pitches.
Remember Barry Sanders was too slow for the NFL.
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