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Old 09-30-2011   #21
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My mock draft partner Beerlover thinks KJ will be a very good nickle corner. That would be fantastic if one of our other young guys stepped up for CB 2. If we don't do better against STeelers, I will suggest we move Quin back.
Yes & yes but don't you just love Quin as Texan SS? He already has been terrific & it's only been three games @ his new position.
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My mock draft partner Beerlover thinks KJ will be a very good nickle corner. That would be fantastic if one of our other young guys stepped up for CB 2. If we don't do better against STeelers, I will suggest we move Quin back.
Not a bad suggestion. Quin would be a solid number 2 and hopefully KJ could play nickel better then he plays #2. Id be interested in seeing how well Nolan plays SS/FS full time (depending if they moved Manning to SS). Optimal situation for me would be for KJ to step up and man down that #2 spot or like you suggested a young guy like Harris or McCain or even McManis to emerge and handle that #2 spot.
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Yes & yes but don't you just love Quin as Texan SS? He already has been terrific & it's only been three games @ his new position.
Yeah, we argued for Quin being moved to safety for so long and got blasted repeatedly. Remember those days not so long ago? Quin has prospered just as we said. Wonder how Allen would look opposite Manning and backing up Joseph? Put Manning behind Quin and we just mightr have solved or at least reduced the problem.
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Not a bad suggestion. Quin would be a solid number 2 and hopefully KJ could play nickel better then he plays #2. Id be interested in seeing how well Nolan plays SS/FS full time (depending if they moved Manning to SS). Optimal situation for me would be for KJ to step up and man down that #2 spot or like you suggested a young guy like Harris or McCain or even McManis to emerge and handle that #2 spot.
I am impatient but it seems as if we are just waiting for something to get better rather than trying to problem solve.
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Anyone see Brandon Harris out there?

I saw him on a couple of plays & thought he looked outstanding.... for a young player & the short amount of time I saw him on the field.

I only noticed him twice, don't know how often he was out there. There was one play, where he was on a receiver, I think it was Moore on the Texans' sideline. They hiked the ball, and the receiver couldn't get around him. He checked him with his hands, stayed in front of him & the ball was out of the QBs hands before the receiver could figure out how to get around him.

Anyone else seen him out there?
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I did not see the whole game but I hope Harris plays more on Sunday.
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No sh!t! This is the biggest disappearing act since Jimmy Hoffa.
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Anyone see Brandon Harris out there?

I saw him on a couple of plays & thought he looked outstanding.... for a young player & the short amount of time I saw him on the field.

I only noticed him twice, don't know how often he was out there. There was one play, where he was on a receiver, I think it was Moore on the Texans' sideline. They hiked the ball, and the receiver couldn't get around him. He checked him with his hands, stayed in front of him & the ball was out of the QBs hands before the receiver could figure out how to get around him.

Anyone else seen him out there?
My fear is that he's not out there solely because they don't want another Kareem Jackson disaster by sending him out there too early. I think he needs to get reps either way and I'm hoping that he gets the nod by the end of the season.
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I think Wade is doing with Harris what Kubiak should have done with KJ last year. Let him sit and learn and watch some film. He needs to get the big picture and absorb as much info. as possible and then faze him into the game slowly on special teams and as the dime CB occasionally. Unfortunately we didn't have that luxury last year with KJ since Kubiak is an *****.
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I think Wade is doing with Harris what Kubiak should have done with KJ last year. Let him sit and learn and watch some film. He needs to get the big picture and absorb as much info. as possible and then faze him into the game slowly on special teams and as the dime CB occasionally. Unfortunately we didn't have that luxury last year with KJ since Kubiak is an *****.
You can't win with this crowd. Last year people howled at Kubiak for putting the rook out there and letting him get burned. This year the rook is slowly brought along and given time to learn and the crowd howls again.

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You can't win with this crowd. Last year people howled at Kubiak for putting the rook out there and letting him get burned. This year the rook is slowly brought along and given time to learn and the crowd howls again.

Texans fans don't know what they want.
Epic.

Only because it's true though.

If he's getting worked into a few drives, maybe once or twice a game here and there....I'm good with it. Jason Allen isn't quite as bad as people think, they just love to spout and he's the easiest target (I know, I know). Harris will have his day here but I know this much, penalties on special teams isn't doing him a damn thing toward getting on the field.

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You can't win with this crowd. Last year people howled at Kubiak for putting the rook out there and letting him get burned. This year the rook is slowly brought along and given time to learn and the crowd howls again.

Texans fans don't know what they want.

Isn't that the Truth
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There is somewhere around 70,000 of us, chances are we'll never agree on what we want.

I never had a problem with starting a rookie at CB. Happens all the time.
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Way too much wringing of hands about the CB2 position (not because there is not a need of upgrade) , but because it all seems to ignore the real fact that the defense is through 5 weeks better than it was at any point in 2010. Jackson and Allen are flawed players, but the play all arounnd them is better. I mean it is better that teams are attacking one dude versus attack anybody back there. that is what happened last year.
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Harris, inactive. WTH?
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Probably still not over HIS hamstring.
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I think your focus is incorrect. It is not about a rookie corner startingbut KJ startin. He and Harris are two different type players. KJ was not starting material as a rookie, Harris should be.
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I think your focus is incorrect. It is not about a rookie corner startingbut KJ startin. He and Harris are two different type players. KJ was not starting material as a rookie, Harris should be.
Ok. Why should Harris be starting material but not KJ? KJ was drafted in the mid first and Harris at the end of the second. KJ played in "DB genius" Nick Saban's defense whereas Harris played for The U that has not been U like in years. KJ had OTAs, a full training camp, etc to learn the new Defense. Harris had about 2 weeks once he signed the contract before the first preseason game.

So, please explain to me why you think Harris should be starting material as a rookie whereas KJ should not have been?
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Ok. Why should Harris be starting material but not KJ? KJ was drafted in the mid first and Harris at the end of the second. KJ played in "DB genius" Nick Saban's defense whereas Harris played for The U that has not been U like in years. KJ had OTAs, a full training camp, etc to learn the new Defense. Harris had about 2 weeks once he signed the contract before the first preseason game.

So, please explain to me why you think Harris should be starting material as a rookie whereas KJ should not have been?
2 different type CBs. Harris is a cover and KJ bump & run. Once KJ makes contact within the chuck zone, vet WRs can re-direct him or push him off balance. Harris mirrors the WR with no initial contact allowing him to be within striking range when the ball arrives.

Both are fast KJ 4.48 and Harris 4.43 but KJ has an "uh,oh" moment and mentally lags going into correction mode. Harris will make mistakes also but eliminate the "bump" errors. I'd love to see KJ "mirror" the WR down field and see how he does but that hasn't happened. Coach has him playing way off WR to avoid the rookie booboos.

I did not expected Harris to necessarily be day one starter but he should definitely have his opportunity now. I watched Harris last year and considerde him superior to KJ. Why is Harris getting shot at FS but not KJ. When Allen is starting why not give KJ a shot at safety?
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Why is Harris getting shot at FS but not KJ. When Allen is starting why not give KJ a shot at safety?
KJ looks lost at times out there. Safeties don't have to have corner speed, but they do have to have good instincts and vision. The "mental lagging" on his part that you mentioned shows me he doesn't exactly have that. That would be my guess as to why he isn't given a shot. When asked on Monday about Allen or Jackson at safety, Kubiak said Allen's name came up. No mention of KJ at all in that regards. That tells me something right there.
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