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Tulip · 06-22-2004

I agree that returner is just too important of a position to worry with where else they fit on the roster.

And about playing Moses at WR - they'll put in Marcus Coleman at receiver before they'll put in Moses. He's just so short, I guess.

I love him and I hope he stays. But I know it's going to be a tough sell. I agree that he probably will not be on the roster come opening day.

TheOgre · 06-22-2004

You guys act like JJ was lighting it up on returns. He was in the bottom 20% of the league on punt returns and barely in the top half of the league in kick returns. Heck I bet Duff could do that AND provide us with a potential dime cornerback.

Tulip · 06-22-2004

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Originally Posted by TheOgre

You guys act like JJ was lighting it up on returns. He was in the bottom 20% of the league on punt returns and barely in the top half of the league in kick returns. Heck I bet Duff could do that AND provide us with a potential dime cornerback.

Moses is a fan favorite - that's where a lot of it comes from. He had a very strong training camp performance and beginning of the season last year. He got the fans really excited. Fans like a story line and like to find players to identify with and cheer on - especially someone who is considered an "underdog". It gives us something to do - something to talk about during all of those boring TV timeouts we have to endure at the game.

wags · 06-22-2004

I agree with Ogre. I think Duff can be better and he can also help in the secondary. I didn't cry when Lewis got dumped and I won't cry if JJ gets dumped. So here's to hoping that Duff can help in the kick game and secondary.

Tulip · 06-22-2004

Did anyone cry when Lewis was dumped? But thanks for mentioning him. He's another reason why everyone jumped on the Moses fan bandwagon so quickly and strongly.

TheOgre · 06-22-2004

I guess that is my problem. I usually use other forms of mass transit than the bandwagon.

Tulip · 06-22-2004

I'm not usually a bandwagon jumper myself, so I'll make 2 excuses for it.

1) I was an insta-Moses fan. Didn't wait for the bandwagon.

2) I'm a girl, so I'm always a sucker for the underdog. Explains my undying love for The Major.

**infantrycak** · 06-22-2004

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Originally Posted by TheOgre

You guys act like JJ was lighting it up on returns. He was in the bottom 20% of the league on punt returns and barely in the top half of the league in kick returns. Heck I bet Duff could do that AND provide us with a potential dime cornerback.

I completely agree with cutting JJ if it is a matter of having a person who truly contributes at their non returner role, BUT if the only comment is that in his first year he wasn't Dante Hall then I think that is just a grass is greener attitude that results in perpetual turnover and missed opportunities--Hall wasn't Hall until his third year and JJ got close to Hall's third year performance last year. In short as a returner I would say give JJ time to see what develops (like every other position on the team--you know QB's break out in year 3-5, etc.)--as a WR, if we have someone decidedly better and need the roster spot then fine JJ is gone.

Texansbacker · 06-22-2004

Experience is a major factor when you consider that it takes time for the game to slow down and the returner to see the field. Moses had some great returns last year and had some average returns but from my standpoint it certainly appeared that Moses' hips were on a swivel and had some great moves. Add in that he had no drops and even took a brutal cheap shot by Jacksonville and I say you give the guy a shot. If you lose, you get the #10 kick returner and average punt returner who hangs on to the ball. If you win, you get a dynamic returner providing you with great field advantage and the possible bonus points. Ala Billy "White Shoes" Johnson, he was no giant.

Dilbert R. · 06-23-2004

My thing is I am terribly afraid of regret. And I think if we let JJ Moses go we will regret it. He is dangerous everytime he touches the ball and we haven't seen the best of him yet. I didn't cry when Lewis was gone, but JJ's offseason performance, the advantage he gave us over the Jags (until he got cheap shotted by Redmond), and the almost TD run at the end of the Jets game - I'll miss him, and I don't want to see him wearing other colors, especially if he has to line up against us. I believe he has the potential of being a league's great special teamer if he is with us or someone else. I think we regret it if he is gone.

Dilbert R. · 06-23-2004

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Originally Posted by Tulip

I agree that returner is just too important of a position to worry with where else they fit on the roster.

And about playing Moses at WR - they'll put in Marcus Coleman at receiver before they'll put in Moses. He's just so short, I guess.

I love him and I hope he stays. But I know it's going to be a tough sell. I agree that he probably will not be on the roster come opening day.

Is he much smaller than Davis? The way Hall is used in KC's offense is the way we use DD out of the backfield, with swing passes and screens and dump offs - and imagine JJ getting the ball with the shuttle pass. I imagine he would get lost going up the middle.

**Vinny** · 06-23-2004

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Originally Posted by Dilbert R.

Is he much smaller than Davis? The way Hall is used in KC's offense is the way we use DD out of the backfield, with swing passes and screens and dump offs - and imagine JJ getting the ball with the shuttle pass. I imagine he would get lost going up the middle.

They have entirely different builds. Moses is 5'6" 170's and Davis is 5'9" and nearly 220 lbs.

**infantrycak** · 06-23-2004

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Is he much smaller than Davis?

Yes. DD is 5'9" 216 lbs. JJ is 5'6" 178 lbs.

Dilbert R. · 06-23-2004

OK. But I still don't think JJ is "TOO" small to catch a swing, screen, or dump pass. The dangerous catches are over the middle, otherwise you are more prone to injuries doing what JJ done for us last season - returning punts and kick offs. A couple of things he did prove is he isn't bad to turn the ball over, he can take hits, and he has good hands. In traffic Moses would give Defensive coordinators nightmares. With lineman pulling, AJ blocking downfield, and Norris leading the way, I would say JJ's playmaking ability would be a reality on the offensive side of the ball - and not just special teams.

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wags Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Location: TX and FL Age: 34 Posts: 1,601 Rep Power: 22	I agree with Ogre. I think Duff can be better and he can also help in the secondary. I didn't cry when Lewis got dumped and I won't cry if JJ gets dumped. So here's to hoping that Duff can help in the kick game and secondary. __________________ A good argument is always spoiled by someone who knows what they're talking about

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06-22-2004	#21
Tulip Hall of Fame Join Date: Jun 2004 Age: 37 Posts: 1,864 Rep Power: 13	I agree that returner is just too important of a position to worry with where else they fit on the roster. And about playing Moses at WR - they'll put in Marcus Coleman at receiver before they'll put in Moses. He's just so short, I guess. I love him and I hope he stays. But I know it's going to be a tough sell. I agree that he probably will not be on the roster come opening day.

06-22-2004	#22
TheOgre Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Back in the cellar again Posts: 3,739 Rep Power: 16	You guys act like JJ was lighting it up on returns. He was in the bottom 20% of the league on punt returns and barely in the top half of the league in kick returns. Heck I bet Duff could do that AND provide us with a potential dime cornerback.

06-22-2004	#29
Texansbacker Veteran Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 201 Rep Power: 10	Experience is a major factor when you consider that it takes time for the game to slow down and the returner to see the field. Moses had some great returns last year and had some average returns but from my standpoint it certainly appeared that Moses' hips were on a swivel and had some great moves. Add in that he had no drops and even took a brutal cheap shot by Jacksonville and I say you give the guy a shot. If you lose, you get the #10 kick returner and average punt returner who hangs on to the ball. If you win, you get a dynamic returner providing you with great field advantage and the possible bonus points. Ala Billy "White Shoes" Johnson, he was no giant.

06-23-2004	#30
Dilbert R. Rookie Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 39 Rep Power: 0	My thing is I am terribly afraid of regret. And I think if we let JJ Moses go we will regret it. He is dangerous everytime he touches the ball and we haven't seen the best of him yet. I didn't cry when Lewis was gone, but JJ's offseason performance, the advantage he gave us over the Jags (until he got cheap shotted by Redmond), and the almost TD run at the end of the Jets game - I'll miss him, and I don't want to see him wearing other colors, especially if he has to line up against us. I believe he has the potential of being a league's great special teamer if he is with us or someone else. I think we regret it if he is gone.

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