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Old 09-27-2011   #81
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Six years.
19 road games against winning teams.
1 win.

Where's the Kool-Aid?
It could have been worse! 0-19.
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It could have been worse! 0-19.
Ha! Excellent. So, you look at the glass as being 1/19th full. Well done.
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Ha! Excellent. So, you look at the glass as being 1/19th full. Well done.
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Do you guys remember Mike Tomlin's first game as a head coach?
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Was it similar to Mark Sanchez's first game as a rookie NFL QB on the road?
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lmao. Wasn't Sanchez's head coach also in his first game?
See a trend?
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I don't see it, help me out.
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Tomlins first game as a head coach was against Miami.

2006, the Steelers didn't play the Texans.

I don't get what you're getting at.
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Tomlins first game as a head coach was against Miami.
Tomlin's first game was at Cleveland and he won.

Rex Ryan's first game was at Houston and he won.

I believe Dex's point is that those two coaches seemed to have no trouble with beating a winning team on the road. They did it on their very first try.
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1 and 18?

"So you're telling me there's a chance... *YEAH!*"
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OK, so this is not a defense of any kind, just something to show stats on SOS for road games over the last three years:

Road Opponent overall Records:
2010- 63-65
2009- 64-64
2008- 66-60

Overall Texan Road Record 2008-2010 = 8-16
>.500 = 1-9
=.500 = 2-2
<.500 = 5-5

7 of the 18 losses have been based on plays at the end of the game or OT.

In 2008 alone, they played THREE 12+ win teams on the road.

They have played FIVE road games in that three year time span against teams that either went to or were one year removed from being in a Super Bowl.

So if we are going to look at stats, we need to recognize that they have had a strong opponent SOS when it comes to road games the last three seasons.

Quite frankly, if you're going to b!tch about this team not getting over the hump and into the playoffs, focus on the fact that they can't beat the BAD teams consistently on the road.
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LOL. The "best 9-7 ever" included 5 straight losses in the AFC South. Now
that the AFC South appears weak, people a writing the Texans in as the
shoe-in champion. "NFC Westing" your way into the playoffs should
not be good enough for this fanbase nor team owner, but we all know
it will be.


Demanding excellence from this coaching staff in its SIXTH SEASON must
be too much of a "negative" thing.
You like visuals, right?



Can we PLEASE "NFC WEST" our asses to the playoffs?
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OK, so this is not a defense of any kind, just something to show stats on SOS for road games over the last three years:

Road Opponent overall Records:
2010- 63-65
2009- 64-64
2008- 66-60

Overall Texan Road Record 2008-2010 = 8-16
>.500 = 1-9
=.500 = 2-2
<.500 = 5-5

7 of the 18 losses have been based on plays at the end of the game or OT.

In 2008 alone, they played THREE 12+ win teams on the road.

They have played FIVE road games in that three year time span against teams that either went to or were one year removed from being in a Super Bowl.

So if we are going to look at stats, we need to recognize that they have had a strong opponent SOS when it comes to road games the last three seasons.

Quite frankly, if you're going to b!tch about this team not getting over the hump and into the playoffs, focus on the fact that they can't beat the BAD teams consistently on the road.
1-18 would indicate they have a hard time beating ANYBODY on the road.
Six years and counting...
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1-18 would indicate they have a hard time beating ANYBODY on the road.
Six years and counting...
Not true. That is 1-18 against teams with winning records at the end of the year. They could have easily had a dominate winning percentage against bad teams on the road and thus had a respectable overall road record. Which of course, would have completely changed the dynamics of their last five seasons and we would all be praising the genius that is Kubes.

My point was that the root cause of the .500 record year over year followed by a step back last year was their inability to beat bad teams on the road. Focusing on their record against good teams on the road is just a strawman argument to complain about Kubiak.
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Focusing on their record against good teams on the road is just a strawman argument to complain about Kubiak.
Especially without comparing it to how other coaches do against "good teams" on the road.

The standard.. may be 3-16 for all we know during that same period.

I would doubt it, but who knows?
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Especially without comparing it to how other coaches do against "good teams" on the road.

The standard.. may be 3-16 for all we know during that same period.

I would doubt it, but who knows?
What would be most meaningful would be to find teams with +/- 5 wins of the Texans record during Kubiak's tenure and examine their records.
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What would be most meaningful would be to find teams with +/- 5 wins of the Texans record during Kubiak's tenure and examine their records.
I'd like to see this number grouped by good, average, and bad teams. Comparing to just teams comparable to the Texans just gives a feel for just how close to average they've been.

I'd like to see how elite teams do in comparison, since year after year the expectations are that the Texans are very good if not elite. If the good teams are significantly better than 1-18, that might point to historical Texan problems other than hurricanes, injuries, and hard schedules. If the good teams aren't any better, that would tell us that 1-18 does NOT signify that the Texans have failed in this category of game.
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The way I've always looked at it, is that I have no clue what it takes to build a football team from scratch, much less how to rebuild on that was botched from the beginning.

The next best thing I have to compare them to are the teams that have been perennial losers.... I'm honest about it, that's what we are.

The 49ers haven't done anything since 2002. Detroit even longer. Buffalo is in that group as well. You show me a coach going to one of those three cities & doing something in less than 4 years, then you've got something.

Because I don't think it's a talent issue, I think it's a mindset & if you've ever tried, you know it's extremely difficult to change a mindset. I don't think you can do it by changing out the coaching (& managerial staff) every three years.

People who do the things the right way will eventually achieve excellence. You've just got to keep whittling the people out of your organization who aren't dedicated to excellence, that is if you can't change them.

I can see how Bob thinks Gary is one of those guys doing the right thing, but after 5 years, you should have the foundation you need, & ready to take the next step. I thank Gary for everything he's done this far, but don't understand the decision not to inject the organization with new leadership at that level, or the Rick Smith level, I truly feel something should have happened there by now.

Doesn't mean that I don't support Gary, I just have no faith in him right now. My faith is in Bob, while I don't agree with what he did, I do agree it has just as much a chance of succeeding as what I would have done. Maybe more.

I looked at Buffalo's situation a couple of years ago, when they hired Chan Gailey & I was like, "See, that could be us... " Fire the coach we have now & take whatever is available. Cowher may be saying the right things, but when it comes time to put his name on the dotted line, he could go to another team for more money or control or something. For all I know, the Rooney's are telling him that would be a drastic mistake, to give Bill what he's asking for, I don't know.

But the Bills seem to have it going their way, they're playing good football on both sides of the ball... Drayton Florence was another guy I said didn't belong here & he is also part of what's going on in Buffalo....

So what do I know?
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I'd like to see this number grouped by good, average, and bad teams. Comparing to just teams comparable to the Texans just gives a feel for just how close to average they've been.

I'd like to see how elite teams do in comparison, since year after year the expectations are that the Texans are very good if not elite. If the good teams are significantly better than 1-18, that might point to historical Texan problems other than hurricanes, injuries, and hard schedules. If the good teams aren't any better, that would tell us that 1-18 does NOT signify that the Texans have failed in this category of game.
The Texans have never played a SOS below .500

That's the schedule before the season, the one nobody wants to put any weight in. The final schedule usually, at the end of the season, is not usually that far off. I've got the numbers somewhere. It will definitely be different this year if no other team in the AFC South wins 10 games (to replace the Colts).

If I remember right, the only team that I can remember in recent times to play a schedule as hard or harder than the Texans and get to the play-offs were the 2010 Jets.

So take it for what it's worth.

The Texans, with all the learning how to build a franchise crap, have also had to play against the best of the best year in & year out.

AT least since 2006, that's as far as I have looked.

I'm not saying that's an excuse, 5 seasons is 5 seasons. If we were to fall to 8-8, 7-9, I could probably understand, but to go to 6-10 the way we went to 6-10, that's... I'm not going to go there.
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Well I did one comparison. 2006-2010 the Texans under Kubiak had 37 wins. In that same time the Cardinals (who have been to the playoffs twice) have also had 37 wins. During that period the Cardinals were 1 -13 against winning teams.

2nd one: Same time period the Seahawks (who also have been to the playoffs twice) had 35 wins. During that period the Seahawks were 2-17 against winning teams.

3rd one: Same time period the Falcons (who also have been to the playoffs twice) had 44 wins. During that period the Falcons were 4-14 against winning teams.
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Well I did one comparison. 2006-2010 the Texans under Kubiak had 37 wins. In that same time the Cardinals (who have been to the playoffs twice) have also had 37 wins. During that period the Cardinals were 1 -13 against winning teams.

2nd one: Same time period the Seahawks (who also have been to the playoffs twice) had 35 wins. During that period the Seahawks were 2-17 against winning teams.

3rd one: Same time period the Falcons (who also have been to the playoffs twice) had 44 wins. During that period the Falcons were 4-14 against winning teams.
Seattle = 2006 Super Bowl
Arizona = 2009 Super Bowl

I see what you did there...
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