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Old 09-27-2011   #21
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I'm not familiar with any of the O-line prospects but I agree with you defense still needs work. I'm not opposed to going defense in the draft again, but I would rather have defensive additions addressed through free agency than with rookies who may or may not produce from Day 1, especially at the corner position where outside of Joseph (who is relatively young himself but has experience) is filled with youth. I believe during the Dolphins game the announcers stated we have the 4th youngest starting D.
I do not see any corners other than Leon Hall CB in 2012 we'd be interested in.
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I have Datko rated in 3rd round at best. Here are some supporting comments althought nfldraftscout.com has him late 1st, early 2nd.

http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2011/...prospect-notes
http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/651

WHile I am big fan of Harris, there are some corners who should be available in first that could be better. I agree with you rother points just not necessarily on when each should be addressed.

From what I have seen of Datko I have been impressed. Its so early in the season that some of these potential first round picks could drop all the way up to top 15 with a great season and some could fall all the way to the 3rd plus round. IMO the texans spent a 1st and 5th in 2010 and a 2nd and 4th in 2011. I just don't see the texans drafting any cb. I could see them going out in fa and maybe getting someone but not in the draft.
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From what I have seen of Datko I have been impressed. Its so early in the season that some of these potential first round picks could drop all the way up to top 15 with a great season and some could fall all the way to the 3rd plus round. IMO the texans spent a 1st and 5th in 2010 and a 2nd and 4th in 2011. I just don't see the texans drafting any cb. I could see them going out in fa and maybe getting someone but not in the draft.
Remember who he has played against before getting too excited. Sure he could do well but his feet need to improve a lot to be in NFL.

You should not base your draft on what picks you spent in past but on what talent you got for them. Look at how we have drafted Dline historically to support my position. What concerns me about CB is Allen and KJ are bad but none of the others have beat them out.

McCain looked better but did not see him against NO. We better do something & why I want Asante Samuel in a trade.
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Remember who he has played against before getting too excited. Sure he could do well but his feet need to improve a lot to be in NFL.

You should not base your draft on what picks you spent in past but on what talent you got for them. Look at how we have drafted Dline historically to support my position. What concerns me about CB is Allen and KJ are bad but none of the others have beat them out.

McCain looked better but did not see him against NO. We better do something & why I want Asante Samuel in a trade.
Fastest way to improve is to improve the offense so that it is complete. There is less draft capital that would need to be spent and there's also great value at the WR/OL positions in this draft. As well as LB/CB.

I really like Floyd and hope that Chapman is there in Rd.2.

If an OL that you really like is there late in the 2nd then I hope Rick trades back into the 2nd rd and takes him. Like the Harris trade last yr.

Hopefully a vet CB like a Josh Wilson is availabe in FA. Another vet CB so that Harris/Carmicheal have a chance to develop would be optimal. (That or Harris grabs a starting CB job and upgrades the position.
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Fastest way to improve is to improve the offense so that it is complete. There is less draft capital that would need to be spent and there's also great value at the WR/OL positions in this draft. As well as LB/CB.

I really like Floyd and hope that Chapman is there in Rd.2.

If an OL that you really like is there late in the 2nd then I hope Rick trades back into the 2nd rd and takes him. Like the Harris trade last yr.

Hopefully a vet CB like a Josh Wilson is availabe in FA. Another vet CB so that Harris/Carmicheal have a chance to develop would be optimal. (That or Harris grabs a starting CB job and upgrades the position.
I disagree only with the bolded. I am a defensive guy. High scoring games are fun for most fans but frustrate me as we give it up to the opponent too often. The problem with free agency is it comes after the draft and you have little clue as to whom you can pursue.
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I disagree only with the bolded. I am a defensive guy. High scoring games are fun for most fans but frustrate me as we give it up to the opponent too often. The problem with free agency is it comes after the draft and you have little clue as to whom you can pursue.
Did that change with the new CBA? It was always around February/March time frame before the lockout last year.
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As much as I like a WR in first round two things are developing. One is the guy I want Jeff Fuller is not playing to my expectations. Second, Walter and Jacoby Jones seem to be holding WR2 down as they did last season so I am not as eager to burn a first on this position.

As of now, cornerback has been forced onto the front burner. KJ is not doing as well under Phillips' regime as I had hope but is reverting back to his rookie year. I had hoped that Harris or McMannis would have beaten out either Jackson or Allen & I have no insight as to why Brandon Harris is hugging the bench. I think an elite left tackle would move Brown to RT and in turn Winston to either RG or backup. Unfortunately. I don't see one where I anticipate Texans to draft nor a real good RG either. Anyways, here is my draft for 2012 picking at #25.

1. Cover corner and there are several I am researching including Jayron Hosely and Eddie Whitley (FS/CB) both from Virginia Tech, Coryell Judie (Texas A&M & did not play in 1 point loss against OSU), Janoris Jenkins Alabama, Claiborne from LSU and Dennard from Nebraska.
2. ILB Dont'a Hightower Alabama
3. NT Dontari Poe Memphis
4. LT or OG
5. SS/FS/CB Winston Guy Kentucky (team sucks but he has played pretty well last 2 seasons)
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I am not badboy, but here is my game 4: Over-reaction mock!

1. Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
He has a character flag with a DUI, but, that's it, 1 DUI. He could start opposite AJ game 1 and learn to play the game the AJ way.

2. Alameda Ta'amu, NT, Washington
Has been up and down, but he has shown some ability to be stout against the run.

3. Jerry Franklin, OLB/MLB, Arkansas
A versatile LB who can play ILB or OLB. He would be a good key backup to Meco/Cush or in the OLB rotation. Value pick.

4. Kellen Moore, QB Boise State
I know we just drafted TJ Yates last year, but when I see Kellen Moore, I see Drew Brees/Doug Flutie. Smaller, super accurate QB, with a bigger arm than you expect. Give him 3-4 years to learn under Schaub and I think he will surprise. At worst, he will be a super quality backup. Not bad for a 4th rounder.

5. Devon Still, DE/NT, Penn State
Versatile enough to factor into the 3-4 DE rotation and can also play NT. May be the kind of NT that Wade wants.

6.Doug Martin, RB, Boise State
Short yet elusive runner. He can hit gaps and has the speed to make a short gain into a big one. Will drop becuase of a lack of quality opponents. As we have seen this year, RB depth is a must for this offense.

7.Moe Petrus, C/G, Connecticut
Versatile C/G swing position. Provides depth for 3 positions with 1 pick. How can you not like that?!
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Is Michael Floyd a late 1st rounder? I thought he was a top 10-15 pick.
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I am not badboy, but here is my game 4: Over-reaction mock!

1. Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
He has a character flag with a DUI, but, that's it, 1 DUI. He could start opposite AJ game 1 and learn to play the game the AJ way.

2. Alameda Ta'amu, NT, Washington
Has been up and down, but he has shown some ability to be stout against the run.

3. Jerry Franklin, OLB/MLB, Arkansas
A versatile LB who can play ILB or OLB. He would be a good key backup to Meco/Cush or in the OLB rotation. Value pick.

4. Kellen Moore, QB Boise State
I know we just drafted TJ Yates last year, but when I see Kellen Moore, I see Drew Brees/Doug Flutie. Smaller, super accurate QB, with a bigger arm than you expect. Give him 3-4 years to learn under Schaub and I think he will surprise. At worst, he will be a super quality backup. Not bad for a 4th rounder.

5. Devon Still, DE/NT, Penn State
Versatile enough to factor into the 3-4 DE rotation and can also play NT. May be the kind of NT that Wade wants.

6.Doug Martin, RB, Boise State
Short yet elusive runner. He can hit gaps and has the speed to make a short gain into a big one. Will drop becuase of a lack of quality opponents. As we have seen this year, RB depth is a must for this offense.

7.Moe Petrus, C/G, Connecticut
Versatile C/G swing position. Provides depth for 3 positions with 1 pick. How can you not like that?!
Floyd has had 3 run ins with alcohol issues since 2009. One maybe, 3 McNair will not approve.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6242523

Ta'amu was on my early board but has done minimal this year. Needs to bring it.

We could use an ILB backup.

I really like Kellen Moore but he's short and Brees and Flutie are rare excptions not the rule. I'm not using a pick on QB when we have too many glaring holes.

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As much as I like a WR in first round two things are developing. One is the guy I want Jeff Fuller is not playing to my expectations. Second, Walter and Jacoby Jones seem to be holding WR2 down as they did last season so I am not as eager to burn a first on this position.

As of now, cornerback has been forced onto the front burner. KJ is not doing as well under Phillips' regime as I had hope but is reverting back to his rookie year. I had hoped that Harris or McMannis would have beaten out either Jackson or Allen & I have no insight as to why Brandon Harris is hugging the bench. I think an elite left tackle would move Brown to RT and in turn Winston to either RG or backup. Unfortunately. I don't see one where I anticipate Texans to draft nor a real good RG either. Anyways, here is my draft for 2012 picking at #25.

1. Cover corner and there are several I am researching including Jayron Hosely and Eddie Whitley (FS/CB) both from Virginia Tech, Coryell Judie (Texas A&M & did not play in 1 point loss against OSU), Janoris Jenkins Alabama, Claiborne from LSU and Dennard from Nebraska.
2. ILB Dont'a Hightower Alabama
3. NT Dontari Poe Memphis
4. LT or OG
5. SS/FS/CB Winston Guy Kentucky (team sucks but he has played pretty well last 2 seasons)

Sorry I'm late to the mock draft thread but I was out of town, Pronghorn Antelope hunting in Wyoming. For the guys who want to fix our team needs in FA next year, it's not going to happen. Mario and Foster will both be FA next year and we might not have enough money to sign both of them much less go out and get studs somewhere else. If we pick up anyone in FA it will most likely be like in past years where we got guys to fill holes, not studs. We may try to franchise Mario and look for an injury induced discount on Foster but they'll still be expensive and won't leave much money available after signing them. Honestly I like Badboy's draft. As much as I'd like to add a great WR next year, we're not finished converting to the 3-4 and still have holes on defense to fill. Also Demeco may be a liability adding another possible hole but it won't be filled early in the draft, most likely a mid round pick at ILB for depth. I think CB and NT are our biggest needs and should be addressed in the 1st and 2nd rounds depending on player availability. If I had to pick one though I'd rather have a 1st round CB and fill NT in the mid rounds. My assessment of needs:

1. NT or CB, depending on player availability.
2. CB or NT, see above.
3. ILB or O-line, depending on player availability.
4. O-line or ILB, see above.
5. WR, I'd like to make this a higher need but we've got other bigger holes to fill.
6. DE depth.
7. FS/SS depth.

As much as we improved in the last offseason, we need to go that again. Only this time we most likely won't have much in FA to fill holes.
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As much as I like a WR in first round two things are developing. One is the guy I want Jeff Fuller is not playing to my expectations. Second, Walter and Jacoby Jones seem to be holding WR2 down as they did last season so I am not as eager to burn a first on this position.

As of now, cornerback has been forced onto the front burner. KJ is not doing as well under Phillips' regime as I had hope but is reverting back to his rookie year. I had hoped that Harris or McMannis would have beaten out either Jackson or Allen & I have no insight as to why Brandon Harris is hugging the bench. I think an elite left tackle would move Brown to RT and in turn Winston to either RG or backup. Unfortunately. I don't see one where I anticipate Texans to draft nor a real good RG either. Anyways, here is my draft for 2012 picking at #25.

1. Cover corner and there are several I am researching including Jayron Hosely and Eddie Whitley (FS/CB) both from Virginia Tech, Coryell Judie (Texas A&M & did not play in 1 point loss against OSU), Janoris Jenkins Alabama, Claiborne from LSU and Dennard from Nebraska.
2. ILB Dont'a Hightower Alabama
3. NT Dontari Poe Memphis
4. LT or OG
5. SS/FS/CB Winston Guy Kentucky (team sucks but he has played pretty well last 2 seasons)
I think you are making a mistake on Fuller. I predict he will shoot up quickly up draft boards. No, he hasn't looked good so far this year, but he has been dealing with a hamstring injury and is just now finally at what he says is 90%.

I'd still very much consider taking Fuller with our 1st round pick if we are picking late in the 1st (like I hope you are). He'd definitely be worth a 2nd round pick, and I'd take him over everyone not named Blackmon (although I wouldn't draft him any higher than late in the 1st due to how much of a bonehead he is) and Jeffery.

If Fuller isn't there, I'd love Broyles. I don't care that he doesn't have the ideal height. The guy can play.
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Sorry I'm late to the mock draft thread but I was out of town, Pronghorn Antelope hunting in Wyoming. For the guys who want to fix our team needs in FA next year, it's not going to happen. Mario and Foster will both be FA next year and we might not have enough money to sign both of them much less go out and get studs somewhere else. If we pick up anyone in FA it will most likely be like in past years where we got guys to fill holes, not studs. We may try to franchise Mario and look for an injury induced discount on Foster but they'll still be expensive and won't leave much money available after signing them. Honestly I like Badboy's draft. As much as I'd like to add a great WR next year, we're not finished converting to the 3-4 and still have holes on defense to fill. Also Demeco may be a liability adding another possible hole but it won't be filled early in the draft, most likely a mid round pick at ILB for depth. I think CB and NT are our biggest needs and should be addressed in the 1st and 2nd rounds depending on player availability. If I had to pick one though I'd rather have a 1st round CB and fill NT in the mid rounds. My assessment of needs:

1. NT or CB, depending on player availability.
2. CB or NT, see above.
3. ILB or O-line, depending on player availability.
4. O-line or ILB, see above.
5. WR, I'd like to make this a higher need but we've got other bigger holes to fill.
6. DE depth.
7. FS/SS depth.

As much as we improved in the last offseason, we need to go that again. Only this time we most likely won't have much in FA to fill holes.
Better late than never. I am working on a mock that will take care of all your concerns. Tempted to publish it but want to see my selections play more. I promise there will be a big surprise for those who know me or read my historical mocks.

Also, I agre with you on fee agency, unless Mario is gone opening much dinero.
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I think you are making a mistake on Fuller. I predict he will shoot up quickly up draft boards. No, he hasn't looked good so far this year, but he has been dealing with a hamstring injury and is just now finally at what he says is 90%.

I'd still very much consider taking Fuller with our 1st round pick if we are picking late in the 1st (like I hope you are). He'd definitely be worth a 2nd round pick, and I'd take him over everyone not named Blackmon (although I wouldn't draft him any higher than late in the 1st due to how much of a bonehead he is) and Jeffery.

If Fuller isn't there, I'd love Broyles. I don't care that he doesn't have the ideal height. The guy can play.
Sorry, I am off Fuller. He will prob be a decent NFL player but not for Texans. I want a charismatic playmaker with speed that takes heat off AJ and will eventually replace him. The guy I am watching will climb charts faster than FUller and that is my biggest concern. He could go from basically unknown to a first round pick & I don't want that.
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Sorry, I am off Fuller. He will prob be a decent NFL player but not for Texans. I want a charismatic playmaker with speed that takes heat off AJ and will eventually replace him. The guy I am watching will climb charts faster than FUller and that is my biggest concern. He could go from basically unknown to a first round pick & I don't want that.
Who are you wanting us to target?

And Fuller is a playmaker. He hasn't done it a lot this year but that has been entirely due to the injury. But to each his own.
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1. Cover corner and there are several I am researching including Jayron Hosely and Eddie Whitley (FS/CB) both from Virginia Tech, Coryell Judie (Texas A&M & did not play in 1 point loss against OSU), Janoris Jenkins Alabama, Claiborne from LSU and Dennard from Nebraska.
2. ILB Dont'a Hightower Alabama
3. NT Dontari Poe Memphis
4. LT or OG
5. SS/FS/CB Winston Guy Kentucky (team sucks but he has played pretty well last 2 seasons)

The more I look at the basic context of this mock the more I like it. It addresses needs but from a value standpoint, getting best player available in the appropriate round. One change that I'd make would be to take a WR in the 2nd round and drop ILB to the 4th round. Even if Demeco has a bad year, I don't think the Texans will do anything about it and will allow him another year to get his act together and see if he can return to pre-injury performance levels.

1. Cover CB, maybe Stephon Gilmore.
2. WR, Dwight Jones or Juron Criner.
3. NT, Dontari Poe.
4. ILB, Kevin Reddick or Tanner Brock.
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The more I look at the basic context of this mock the more I like it. It addresses needs but from a value standpoint, getting best player available in the appropriate round. One change that I'd make would be to take a WR in the 2nd round and drop ILB to the 4th round. Even if Demeco has a bad year, I don't think the Texans will do anything about it and will allow him another year to get his act together and see if he can return to pre-injury performance levels.

1. Cover CB, maybe Stephon Gilmore.
2. WR, Dwight Jones or Juron Criner.
3. NT, Dontari Poe.
4. ILB, Kevin Reddick or Tanner Brock.
Yeah, our front 7 is finally looking pretty good. Also in today's game with all the rule changes, and basically the destruction of the safety position, you can't have enough good cover corners because even if he is at least an average tackler, he can be moved to safety. The safeties now have to be able to cover so even though we just recently took a cornet in the first, I'd have zero problem with us doing so again this year.

As long as we go WR, DB, or NT in the 1st, I will be a happy camper. It sure is nice to feel like we now only have about 3 positions of weakness when just a year or two ago it was more like 10 positions. Sure, we could use more depth across the board but our starters at essentially all our positions other than those I listed are solid.
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Yeah, our front 7 is finally looking pretty good. Also in today's game with all the rule changes, and basically the destruction of the safety position, you can't have enough good cover corners because even if he is at least an average tackler, he can be moved to safety. The safeties now have to be able to cover so even though we just recently took a cornet in the first, I'd have zero problem with us doing so again this year.

As long as we go WR, DB, or NT in the 1st, I will be a happy camper. It sure is nice to feel like we now only have about 3 positions of weakness when just a year or two ago it was more like 10 positions. Sure, we could use more depth across the board but our starters at essentially all our positions other than those I listed are solid.
Teams in the modern era of the NFL need essentialy 3 starter level CB's because so many teams run 3 WR sets alot of the time. With rule changes over the last decade the NFL has become a passing league. The era of the Pollard/Williams style of Safety is over, safeties have to cover now and this is why you see so many converted CB's playing FS/SS. We took a CB in the 1st round recently but the jury is still out on KJ, Harris, and Carmichael and we only have one really good CB right now. If there will be a good NT available to us in a later round then I think our biggest need to fill in the 1st is CB and this seems to be a good year to do it since there are alot of good quality CB's in the 2012 draft. We still have alot of depth to fill on defense, Bulman, Barber, and Sharpton need to go IMO.
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Who are you wanting us to target?

And Fuller is a playmaker. He hasn't done it a lot this year but that has been entirely due to the injury. But to each his own.
Kendall Wright@ Baylor. He is off most people's radar but is catching for a Heisman possibility. He had an off day yesterday as Baylor went with the running game. 8 for 69 yds I believe. He went 9 for 201 last week. After 5 games he has almost 700 yds.
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And Fuller is a playmaker. He hasn't done it a lot this year but that has been entirely due to the injury. But to each his own.
You are basing that on only one yeaqr. Informative but ?
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