Eric Winston

[thunderkyss]

What did you think about Winston this week?

Personally, against guys like he saw today, I think he's more than adequate. Those smaller, athletic, speedy guys give him trouble.

But that's football.

I didn't mean to start a "get rid of Winston" thread last week. Like every player, he's got his strengths & he's got his weaknesses. It's up to our coaches to get the most out of every player.

Many of us recognized the mismatch last week. What did our team do to help him?
:crickets:

& that was really my point.

Did anyone see how the Saints "handled" Mario today? He'd pass a TE, then he's got to deal with the Tackle. He beats a tackle, then he's got to deal with a RB.

Elite...

We've got a good offense, but we aren't elite. Maybe the coach is holding us back, but our offense needs to take another step if we are going to be where we want to be.

[TexCanada]

I thought Winston was pretty solid today, but there were a few plays where we attempted to run the ball where our whole O-line got pushed back. I still think they need to get a bit tougher when the game gets really intense.

[Corrosion]

Hell of an improvement over last week .... accept for the result on the scoreboard.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by TexCanada

I thought Winston was pretty solid today, but there were a few plays where we attempted to run the ball where our whole O-line got pushed back. I still think they need to get a bit tougher when the game gets really intense.

How many plays to the right did you see in the second half?

Why? That's our strength..... running to the left we put Winston on the backside of the play.... not very smart.

[welsh texan]

I'm beginning to believe that this whole offense is built to run the ball.

As bad as our running game was for so long under kubiak, and as much passing as we've done in the past, I'm beginning to believe that the whole point of this offense is to run the ball so well on teams that they can't effectively defend the pass, and thats why it opens up through the air.

We all used to think Kubiak was joking when he talked about running to open up the pass, because we couldn't run very well, well now we do.

I reckon the O-line not only is more suited to run blocking, but has been deliberately coached that way ever since Gibbs first came in.

Thats why Winston loses out against the pass, its all by design.

I think Schaub needs to improve in recognising the pressure, moving in the pocket, and checking down to his options.

That would make the pass blocking look a whole load better.

[Scooter]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Personally, against guys like he saw today, I think he's more than adequate. Those smaller, athletic, speedy guys give him trouble.

right on. against a 4-3 and bigger ends, he's going to win the physical battle almost every time. nobody's going to out-muscle or out-hustle winston. the trouble is half the league runs a 3-4 and half of the 4-3 teams have swapped to smaller/speedier ends. that's the problem, he's a trench player playing the tackle position against small pass rushers - his weakness. i know that his height and "short arms" arent favorable inside, but he's only going to get a favorable matchup like this a few times each season - and is more often a liability as you pointed out last week.

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Did anyone see how the Saints "handled" Mario today? He'd pass a TE, then he's got to deal with the Tackle. He beats a tackle, then he's got to deal with a RB.

very good gameplan by the saints against mario, they didnt double team him traditionally, they went at him in layers. a lot of teams will A+B mario, but he can overpower 2 guys and he can run past 2 as well. the saints went one further in that they went A and then C on him. mario isnt known for his moves or his quick thinking, so by making him separately pass two defenders he was effectively neutralized.

[DocBar]

Bench Winston and trade Mario!!!!
Just doing my part since the sky is falling and all.

[Surreal McCoy]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Did anyone see how the Saints "handled" Mario today? He'd pass a TE, then he's got to deal with the Tackle. He beats a tackle, then he's got to deal with a RB.

Elite...

Sorry TK, I usually agree with your posts but this one I'm shakin' my head. I've just re-watched the game and Mario rarely got by anyone, much less two levels. On the two plays he did beat his blocker, the first one he got faked out of his jock by Brees, and the second he made a weak attempt at an arm tackle for the sack.

I'm not saying trade him or bench or any such nonsense, but I sure would like to see his cap number come in line with his production in big games.

[thunderkyss]

Eric had a great game. I may be his biggest detractor, but he stepped up & did his thang in both the passing game & the run game... props.

I was worried about how Winston was going to handle Polamalu coming around the edge.. I had always seen Troy come around the right end. I don't think he ever came around the right end during this game when we were throwing the ball. Here is Troy Polamalu coming around the left end & Duane Brown doing his thang

Originally Posted by Surreal McCoy

Sorry TK, I usually agree with your posts but this one I'm shakin' my head. I've just re-watched the game and Mario rarely got by anyone, much less two levels.

Here is a video from the Pittsburgh game. I got it from TheBigShow website. Watch how they handled Mario, this is what New Orleans did several times... He's got the tightend on him, he beats the tight end, then there is a tackle there waiting for him. Sometimes the tackle is first, & then he's got to leap over the HB but this has been happening all year, they slow Mario down, so the second blocker has time to adjust.

To be fair, Lance Zierline used that video as an example of the work Antonio is doing. Look how he shoots that gap bringing the gaurd with him, allowing Barwin an easy path to the QB. Lance's dad said the noise in the stadium probably helped their because the offense has to go on a silent count & the guard looked to be a fraction slower off the ball than Antonio.

[gary]

Gary should know by now the type of edge rushers Eric might have trouble with even in the least bit so vs those teams he should game plan to assist Eric ahead of time.