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Old 09-25-2011   #61
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lol. what is the diff feel between a loss and loss?
ok maybe its just me but i feel better about us losing 40-33 then i would of if we had lost 40-3. Call it moral victory our whatever you must, but this game shows us that we can hang with the best of the best in their own house.
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ok maybe its just me but i feel better about us losing 40-33 then i would of if we had lost 40-3. Call it moral victory our whatever you must, but this game shows us that we can hang with the best of the best in their own house.
I agree with this in one sense, but in another sense, a 40-3 beat down isn't gut-wrenching -- it's just embarrassing.

A 40-33 loss against a great team with an elite QB on the road is not an embarrassment. This is a good Texans team which I still think will finally take the division title this year. But to get much beyond 9-7 you have to demonstrate -- whether against the Saints or the currently God-awful Chiefs -- that you can finish strong. Yes, this time it's different because it was a great team on the road, not some mediocrity, but the pattern was the same. And that, IMO, is coaching -- not the talent level.

It's always easier for me to take losses where "my team" was clearly beaten. But when it feels like you beat yourselves and lose games you could -- and even *should* -- have won, that's where a lot of the angst comes in.
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So leave. If you are tired of seeing the same thing, get out of here. Go be a bandwagon supporter for whoever is the Superbowl champion at the time. That way you can always see the best of football all of the time.

Coming in here and only posting with negative results or on negative topics is what is BS. If you are gonna be a fan, then at least realize the difference between a beatdown to the winless Cowboys and losing to a a perennial Superbowl contender on the road.

If you can't/won't do that, then we have nothing further to discuss.
Texans were also at home and took that beating.
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I agree with this in one sense, but in another sense, a 40-3 beat down isn't gut-wrenching -- it's just embarrassing.

A 40-33 loss against a great team with an elite QB on the road is not an embarrassment. This is a good Texans team which I still think will finally take the division title this year. But to get much beyond 9-7 you have to demonstrate -- whether against the Saints or the currently God-awful Chiefs -- that you can finish strong. Yes, this time it's different because it was a great team on the road, not some mediocrity, but the pattern was the same. And that, IMO, is coaching -- not the talent level.
See I don't think the pattern was the same. I think the Saints just came up with the one extra play to win the game. It was really that close of a game.

Also I agree that the Texans have to go out and beat these teams like the Saints...but they have only played the Saints yet so it's impossible to judge if this will be a recurring pattern throughout the year.
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I agree with this in one sense, but in another sense, a 40-3 beat down isn't gut-wrenching -- it's just embarrassing.

A 40-33 loss against a great team with an elite QB on the road is not an embarrassment. This is a good Texans team which I still think will finally take the division title this year. But to get much beyond 9-7 you have to demonstrate -- whether against the Saints or the currently God-awful Chiefs -- that you can finish strong. Yes, this time it's different because it was a great team on the road, not some mediocrity, but the pattern was the same. And that, IMO, is coaching -- not the talent level.

It's always easier for me to take losses where "my team" was clearly beaten. But when it feels like you beat yourselves and lose games you could -- and even *should* -- have won, that's where a lot of the angst comes in.
YES these close ones hurt more than blow out losses. but thats just cause you know victory was in ur reach and u were Sooooooo close. As fans we put a lot of emotion into games and sometimes our emotions blind us from the big picture.
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DexmanC, just stop following the team. Seriously. You would be happier, we would be happier. You sound miserable. Go hang out with your family.
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YES these close ones hurt more than blow out losses. but thats just cause you know victory was in ur reach and u were Sooooooo close. As fans we put a lot of emotion into games and sometimes our emotions blind us from the big picture.
Well, the big picture is that I think the Texans are a good team, but not an elite team or a serious Super Bowl contender. In part I think that's because elite teams and Super Bowl contenders tend to win the second half in general and the fourth quarter in particular -- something the Texans have never demonstrated. Maybe this isn't a recurrence of an old pattern -- maybe it's just that the Saints in general and Brees in particular are just that good -- but it's hard for it to not *feel* like the "same old script" even if it's a clear upgrade from years past.

So it's not like I'm really down on this team or disgusted with it. If you told me at the start of the season if I'd feel decent about a 2-1 record after three games, yes I would. But I would feel a lot better about this team if I started seeing a little more finishing of what it starts. This is a good team, but it still needs to learn how to finish.
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See I don't think the pattern was the same. I think the Saints just came up with the one extra play to win the game. It was really that close of a game.

Also I agree that the Texans have to go out and beat these teams like the Saints...but they have only played the Saints yet so it's impossible to judge if this will be a recurring pattern throughout the year.
What about the recurring pattern throughout the history of the franchise?

The Texans had an opportunity to shut up the haters and critics. Kubiak, Schaub, coaching staff have all taken heat over the years.

Today, once again they had the beast wounded and bleeding. Once again they failed to finish the beast off. They deserve the criticism. They can't seem to get over the hump. A loss is a loss.
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What about the recurring pattern throughout the history of the franchise?

The Texans had an opportunity to shut up the haters and critics. Kubiak, Schaub, coaching staff have all taken heat over the years.

Today, once again they had the beast wounded and bleeding. Once again they failed to finish the beast off. They deserve the criticism. They can't seem to get over the hump. A loss is a loss.
I don't put too much stock into stuff like that when the team has a bevy of new players and a entire new coaching staff on one side of the ball.
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So leave. If you are tired of seeing the same thing, get out of here. Go be a bandwagon supporter for whoever is the Superbowl champion at the time. That way you can always see the best of football all of the time.

Coming in here and only posting with negative results or on negative topics is what is BS. If you are gonna be a fan, then at least realize the difference between a beatdown to the winless Cowboys and losing to a a perennial Superbowl contender on the road.

If you can't/won't do that, then we have nothing further to discuss.
Heh. I'm the negative one? You're telling me to leave for voicing my honest
opinion. So much for free speech, eh?

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DexmanC, just stop following the team. Seriously. You would be happier, we would be happier. You sound miserable. Go hang out with your family.
Looks like me telling the truth strikes too much of a nerve, and is too
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TK will tell you about our arguments from years before. He'd
tell me how much BETTER this 8-8 is than LAST YEAR'S
8-8.

Same 'ol shit, bruh.
How about a little wager.

I bet we'll win 6 games in the first 9....

Should be pretty safe bet for you, with 3 games in the books already.

You name the wager, I'm in for whatever.

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I agree with this in one sense, but in another sense, a 40-3 beat down isn't gut-wrenching -- it's just embarrassing.

A 40-33 loss against a great team with an elite QB on the road is not an embarrassment. This is a good Texans team which I still think will finally take the division title this year. But to get much beyond 9-7 you have to demonstrate -- whether against the Saints or the currently God-awful Chiefs -- that you can finish strong. Yes, this time it's different because it was a great team on the road, not some mediocrity, but the pattern was the same. And that, IMO, is coaching -- not the talent level.

It's always easier for me to take losses where "my team" was clearly beaten. But when it feels like you beat yourselves and lose games you could -- and even *should* -- have won, that's where a lot of the angst comes in.
Bingo. I stated in a thread earlier, that Kubiak is the biggest x-factor
on this team. Kubiak was greatly responsible for the Saints putting
23 points on the board in the fourth quarter, because he thought
he could shoot it out with the Saints, 9-point lead be damned.

The man didn't play to win the game, he played to win a shootout.
This got the team beat. This team will either win because Kubiak
has evolved as a coach (which he has not yet shown,) win in SPITE
of Kubiak's decisions, or toil in the stagnation that is the head coaching
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YES these close ones hurt more than blow out losses. but thats just cause you know victory was in ur reach and u were Sooooooo close. As fans we put a lot of emotion into games and sometimes our emotions blind us from the big picture.
The big picture is that we are a pretty decent team.

But we are not a great team, not by a long shot.
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How about a little wager.

I bet we'll win 6 games in the first 9....

Should be pretty safe bet for you, with 3 games in the books already.

You name the wager, I'm in for whatever.

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That quote you posted was taken out of context. It was not predicting
the 2011 squad to end up 8-8. It was a display of how our discussions
regarding this team has not changed in 3 seasons.

I WANT to be able to talk about different shit with this team, they just
have not presented the opportunity.
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How about a little wager.

I bet we'll win 6 games in the first 9....

Should be pretty safe bet for you, with 3 games in the books already.

You name the wager, I'm in for whatever.

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anyone betting on a playoff win, all bets off for regular season wins without peyton, no pressure without him. six games in the first nine without a sense of urgency due to our division sucking is no bet. every analyst handed us the division when peyton went down. hell 12 wins is the bar right?
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Read again.

Kubiak should've been fired THREE SEASONS AGO.

It's Deja Vu all over. When this team goes 3 games over .500 (the only
way to do so is to beat at least ONE contending team,) then my tune
will change. This game is more-of-the-same, and so are my comments.
I'm sorry. Explain to me how our offense scored 33 pts on a team that's one year removed from a Super Bowl championship and it's on Kubiak when the DEFENSE gave up FORTY POINTS!

Where's the FIRE WADE PHILLIPS thread?? His defense gave up FORTY, count 'em FORTY points.
How does a genius defensive coordinator get burned by the same two-pt conversion play twice in a row? Yet, this loss is all Kubiak's fault...?
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lol. what is the diff feel between a loss and loss?
We were outclassed at home against Dallas last year. The freaking place (our house) was full of Cowboy fans & the players on the field didn't seem to take it personal or try to do anything about it.

We had no chance in that game.

This one slipped away. We had their number. We had them on the hook and we let them get away... They are who we thought they were & we let them get away.
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I'm sorry. Explain to me how our offense scored 33 pts on a team that's one year removed from a Super Bowl championship and it's on Kubiak when the DEFENSE gave up FORTY POINTS!

Where's the FIRE WADE PHILLIPS thread?? His defense gave up FORTY, count 'em FORTY points.
How does a genius defensive coordinator get burned by the same two-pt conversion play twice in a row? Yet, this loss is all Kubiak's fault...?
Kubiak's pass-happy offensive strategy was a key factor in
the Saints having TIME to put up 23 points in the 4th quarter.

Wade Phillips is a co-ordinator, who plays under Head Coach
Gary Kubiak. When a sailor screws up on a ship, you talk to
the captain. Simple chain-of-command.
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Bingo. I stated in a thread earlier, that Kubiak is the biggest x-factor
on this team. Kubiak was greatly responsible for the Saints putting
23 points on the board in the fourth quarter, because he thought
he could shoot it out with the Saints, 9-point lead be damned.

The man didn't play to win the game, he played to win a shootout.
This got the team beat. This team will either win because Kubiak
has evolved as a coach (which he has not yet shown,) win in SPITE
of Kubiak's decisions, or toil in the stagnation that is the head coaching
career of Gary Kubiak.
So, again, Wade gets off Scott Free because you hate Kubiak. Wade's new and improved defense gave up 23 pts in the fourth qtr but, according to you, Wade bears absolutely NO responsibility.

Yeah, that's very objective of you
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