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Old 09-20-2011   #1
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It is late December, 2011. The 10-4 Texans have the AFC South clinched and are playing the 1-13 Colts the next week. There are two other 1-13 teams in the Suck for Luck sweepstakes. The Texans don't have home field advantage wrapped up, but are still in the running for it.

Question: Do you "rest" your starters against the Colts like they did against the Jets a couple of years back in order to help keep them out of the Luck Lotto or do you go full bore and try to wrap up home field advantage?
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It is late December, 2011. The 10-4 Texans have the AFC South clinched and are playing the 1-13 Colts the next week. There are two other 1-13 teams in the Suck for Luck sweepstakes. The Texans don't have home field advantage wrapped up, but are still in the running for it.

Question: Do you "rest" your starters against the Colts like they did against the Jets a couple of years back in order to help keep them out of the Luck Lotto or do you go full bore and try to wrap up home field advantage?

Sorry, not trying to be rude, but that's a horrible question.
Play for the win 100% of the time, all the time.

You nuckin futs?!?!?
Voluntarily surrender a shot at home field advantage to keep an unproven draft pick out of the hands of a 1-13 team? Crazy, I tell ya.
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You always do what's best in your interest and don't worry about some implication that your don't have control over. Play the starters and try to get home field advantage.
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Never lay down to the colts....NEVER
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You always do what's best in your interest and don't worry about some implication that your don't have control over. Play the starters and try to get home field advantage.
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Never lay down to the colts....NEVER

I apologize to both of you. Your comments are appreciated but not needed.

I forgot to put the /thread in my post. If I had remembered, it would have saved you the time of responding.


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I apologize to both of you. Your comments are appreciated but not needed.

I forgot to put the /thread in my post. If I had remembered, it would have saved you the time of responding.


LOL
You are forgiven because I did not see your post. I hit reply and walked away to answer the phone before I finished typing.
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If the Texans already had homefield wrapped up then I don't have (much of) an issue with it. The long-term implications could be dire indeed.
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If home field advantage is wrapped up, starters rest.

If home field advantage is on the line, starters play.
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I don't think they'd even draft him unless Manning's career is over. Way too much $ to wrap up in two guys with the salary cap. Especially if one is always on the bench and there are so many glaring needs in a lot of other places.
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You play to win the game. Hello!


This whole conversation bothers me ....
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This whole conversation bothers me ....
What he said. Especially in-division, and double-especially against the Colts.
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It is late December, 2011. The 10-4 Texans have the AFC South clinched and are playing the 1-13 Colts the next week. There are two other 1-13 teams in the Suck for Luck sweepstakes.

Question: Do you "rest" your starters against the Colts like they did against the Jets a couple of years back in order to help keep them out of the Luck Lotto or do you go full bore to take momentum into the playoffs?
Did he mean this????

Because, well, his original question answers itself?
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It is late December, 2011. The 10-4 Texans have the AFC South clinched and are playing the 1-13 Colts the next week. There are two other 1-13 teams in the Suck for Luck sweepstakes. The Texans don't have home field advantage wrapped up, but are still in the running for it.

Question: Do you "rest" your starters against the Colts like they did against the Jets a couple of years back in order to help keep them out of the Luck Lotto or do you go full bore and try to wrap up home field advantage?
You cant play the what if game. We control what we control. And that would be playing our starters and getting home field advantage.

So we rest our starters, lose the game, miss out on homefield advantage. Indy still ends up with the first pick, or trades up for the first pick. Well that would suck wouldnt it?
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If home field advantage is wrapped up, starters rest.

If home field advantage is on the line, starters play.
Agreed. But, I would not lose any sleep if we lost to them and they missed out on Andrew Luck.
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Agreed. But, I would not lose any sleep if we lost to them and they missed out on Andrew Luck.
Now, if you would take a dive to royally screw Indy, well, that is a different question!
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Yeah, I really don't want Luck going to the Colts like anyone else, but think of it like this.

-It's probably safe to say the Colts will be picking top 10

-There's probably 6-7 first round QBs this year

-Yes it would really suck to have Luck in the AFC South, but it will also suck if they get Tannehill, Cousins, Weeden, Griffin III, or Landry Jones too.

This is a heck of a QB class and the Colts could get a franchise guy with the 1st pick, 6th pick or even 14th so this is moot if you ask me.
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Sweep the Colts! I don't care if we have homefield throughout wrapped up, you do your fan base a favor and sweep the freakin' Colts.

But as to the original question: it's a no-brainer that you play to gain homefield in the playoffs. Let next season be worried about next season.

I know Luck is the flavor of the day, but nobody is guaranteed to be great in the NFL. We've seen first round busts and 6th round Hall of Famers, so it's an educated guessing game year to year.

Besides, based on the scenario, Luck would be a rookie that would have to play our defense twice a year, and if this scenario pans, it's obviously going to be a consistently good D. We squash him and blow his confidence and Colts fans are referring to him as HWWNBN in six years!
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Carpe diem.

Live in the moment.

One game at a time.

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Play your starters, run up the score by halftime and send in the reserves. In the context of the scenario, it might not be a bad idea at all to get some good film of Leinart out there. If Yates is coming along nicely and Leinart plays well, he could have some trade value. Just a thought in a "what if "thread.
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