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Old 04-24-2005   #21
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i love A. Glenn but i wont question or criticize any of the organizations move until we see if it is for the best or the worse, and no one will know until play off time rolls around next season.
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Jay Foreman, Jamie Sharper, and Aaron Glenn all leaving would make me really mad. Three of the best players we had and we have already lost two. If AG left, I would be extremely dissapointed. CB is the one position the Texans look like they have a leg up on everyone else and if AG leaves then it won't be the same.

I'd be hard pressed to say Foreman was one of the best players on the team. He made a lot of tackles, but he was far from being great. He's still seeking employment and there are a lot of LB challenged teams out there.

Losing Glenn would hurt, but teams have to make decisions. I seem to remember a lot of Patriot fans complaining and cursing them when they released Lawyer Milloy a week before the season. Then he signs with the Bills and they whip the Pats in week 1. The last laugh....Pats win back to back Super Bowls. The Texans aren't there yet, of course, but you can't be afraid to make changes.
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personally I don't understand it (if true).. in the NFL you need 3 good corners to compete.. and I feel that if Glenn were to seek a trade, we just became a lot weaker at the CB position.. Would Glenn have any trade value given his contract is high (just like Sharper)?
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I posted this earlier well before the news

I still wonder about the Buchannon pick, not because he doesn't have potential, but because of our glaring need at the O-line and particularly center. This move almost implys that AG is done despite what Capers says. We gave up a 2nd round pick that could have been used at least for a O-line center. My hopes were Mankins, but he went a lot higher than many thought. I know Mankins is not a center, but he's a heck of a player. I think injuries have put the Texans in a bad position and they had to toss a coin and defense won. I think with time we are going to find out more about the AG story. Don't take it wrong, I like AG but I think the injuries the last two years are taking a toll. I think he doesn't see it, but they do. Don't be surprised if he retires before the start of the season most likely due to injuries.

I'm beginning to think a little more differently now, but it is something I eluded to in other posts that I have been so vehemitly chastized for. This coaching stafff can not take the heat and criticism and is always blaming the players for what's wrong. It's not the players its the coaching staff and Casserly might just go down the drain with his head coach that he's trusted too much. Casserly has always tried to get the best player available and then Capers has misused the guys talent. Its beginning to look like Sharper knew what he was talking about. Again, when Capers made his comments during the interviews something smelled. As all of you, I hope this is a rumor, but from the body language and what we have been seeing I would say its true. They may come back and patch it up, but you can kiss this year goodbye. I don't believe it would be in the Chronicle if it weren't true. Once again, they might try to patch it up, but you don't fix things like this. When will McNair say something after all he stated that David was going to be protected this year. I haven't seen any signs of protection, yet. I'm ticked off, because we had something good going after the 2nd year and it all went down the drain. I believe Capers is the heart and soul of all the problems. It really is time for him to go.......................................
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....... Ok.. anyone who hangs around here much knows im usually pretty dang positive about the Texans and everything they do, but even I am having troubles with this one.

The only silver lining I can imagine, is maybe we are doing it out of respect for Glenn. maybe he didnt want to get replaced by the young gun, was unhappy, and so we gave him permission to seek a trade if he would rather play elsewhere..

That still doesnt make me feel any better though. If we couldnt get anything for the 31 year old Sharper who has been at the top, or led, the league in tackles every year since our inception.. then what makes us think we will get anything for 33 year old Glenn who was only a little above average last year and was coming off an injury?

If this goes down... I will not bad mouth the organization, or foresee doom in our future.. but I will be keeping a very close eye on how this effects us, and whether or not we have made this move too soon.

This offseason is looking alot like a "coming of age" for our team. The training wheels (Sharper, Glenn) are off.. and its time for our young team to become men, so to speak. But cutting Glenn? We have that much faith in Buchanan? I know I dont... and one great season from a rookie (Robinson) does not necessarily mean that he is going to maintain that kind of production for the rest of his career.. a young egocentric ballhawking CB that doesnt know our system, and a struggling rookie... that doesnt sound like a good combination in this division. Glenn is the glue holding our secondary together.

On top of that.. he is without a doubt the classiest guy on our team.. and widely respected by the fans. If you want to become as popular as the Cowboys in Texas.. you can start by NOT cutting players like that.


If Glenn leaves.. my 10-6 prediction is changing to 8-8.. and ill be crossing my fingers for that... it would simply be TOO MUCH change for a young team that is still struggling to be consistent.


Bah.. at the beggining of this thread I said i wouldnt be forseeing doom for our future and I already am :P. im just gonna shutup and let this play out.
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I just saw on Fox 26 that Aaron Glenn has been given permission to seek a trade. Anyone else catch this ?
Second thing the Texans have done in 24 hours that I disagree with strongly. 2005 is shaping up to be quite a year so far.
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I saw Capers on NFL network on Saturday night and they talked to him about the PB trade. His response was "now we have 2 young CBs in PB and DR both with great speed and ability to be shut down CBs."

Sounded to me that AG has already lost his starting spot. I'd hate to see him go but the question is do we really want a player to be around if he doesn't want to or feels like he's needed?
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....... Ok.. anyone who hangs around here much knows im usually pretty dang positive about the Texans and everything they do, but even I am having troubles with this one.

The only silver lining I can imagine, is maybe we are doing it out of respect for Glenn. maybe he didnt want to get replaced by the young gun, was unhappy, and so we gave him permission to seek a trade if he would rather play elsewhere..

That still doesnt make me feel any better though. If we couldnt get anything for the 31 year old Sharper who has been at the top, or led, the league in tackles every year since our inception.. then what makes us think we will get anything for 33 year old Glenn who was only a little above average last year and was coming off an injury?

If this goes down... I will not bad mouth the organization, or foresee doom in our future.. but I will be keeping a very close eye on how this effects us, and whether or not we have made this move too soon.

This offseason is looking alot like a "coming of age" for our team. The training wheels (Sharper, Glenn) are off.. and its time for our young team to become men, so to speak. But cutting Glenn? We have that much faith in Buchanan? I know I dont... and one great season from a rookie (Robinson) does not necessarily mean that he is going to maintain that kind of production for the rest of his career.. a young egocentric ballhawking CB that doesnt know our system, and a struggling rookie... that doesnt sound like a good combination in this division. Glenn is the glue holding our secondary together.

On top of that.. he is without a doubt the classiest guy on our team.. and widely respected by the fans. If you want to become as popular as the Cowboys in Texas.. you can start by NOT cutting players like that.


If Glenn leaves.. my 10-6 prediction is changing to 8-8.. and ill be crossing my fingers for that... it would simply be TOO MUCH change for a young team that is still struggling to be consistent.


Bah.. at the beggining of this thread I said i wouldnt be forseeing doom for our future and I already am :P. im just gonna shutup and let this play out.
You want a silver lining here Grid? I'll give you one (and I agree with you one being really worried where this Glenn report is concerned).

Here's my silver lining. "2002"

Our defense in 2002 was put together very quickly out of veterans. many of whom were not exactly HOF players at their positions. We had some kick butt corners but our FS/SS were pretty darn pathetic. Linebackers were also a mix of pretty good players (Sharper) and duds (Foreman) or good guys playing new positions (Wong). The thing is Capers put his defense in during one off season and in no time these guys were putting it on teams that never saw them coming.

The silver lining is that this many changes on the defense isn't going to disrupt things nearly as badly as it would have on the other side of the ball. I don't want to lose Glenn this year and think it's a really bad idea to let this guy go. If they do though Capers & Co. can create a defense "McGyver style" out of some chewing gum and a paper clip. They're that good. Remember how in 2003 they lost pretty much every starting lineman we had who was any good and by the end of the season they had scrubs playing well? It happened. In the last couple of games they had guys signed offf the street getting it done.

The D will be alright without Aaron Glenn. It won't be the same though. Sharper was a loss but I understood the necessity. This is unnecessary and a waste of resources. Glenn and Robinson should be the starters with Buchanon the first one of the bench. Then in a year or two when Glenn is starting to slow down he should rotate with PB shortly before ridingg off into the sunset as one of the original Houston Texans.
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As soon as I heard about the Buchanan trade, I immediately thought that Glenn would be a June 1st salary cap casualty. I'm still holding to that prediction. AG is 33, and is on the downside of his career, and cap managment rules the day.

And Gary Walker should be seeing the big bold writing on the wall.
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when I read this .. this came to mind

*clears throat ..uhhuummmm*

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What is the deal with you all.. This is getting old really quick.

Giving Glenn premission to seek a trade is a AWESOME decision. I really like Gleen too, but you all including me have noticed how from the first year here, to the second year to last year, Glenn has been coming off his game a bit. He still is VERY GOOD, but he is starting to lose a step... We all have seen it. Why not trade him to another team while he still has value and pick up a pick or two next year. He probably only have a good year or 2 left before he really loses a step, so we can get a good value for him right now. Come on folks... you have seen it.. so have I. and this makes more sense then letting him set on the bench and mentor.
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Its not a business predicated on making decisions that are popular with
the fan base. If it were, they would taken DJ yesterday at 13. Afterall,
in the long term the only thing that will make the fans happy and keep them happy is winning.
PB, Greenwood, Peek, and T.Johnson(see you around G.Walker) will be starting together at some point this fall (if not in September) and Wong will be playing inside to make room for Peek at weakside OLB. That's the
changes that are apparent "so far". With these changes and others that
may follow, maybe we won't see the D lay down and quit as they did several
times last year like in Denver.
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when I read this .. this came to mind

*clears throat ..uhhuummmm*

(in my best Yoda voice)

"Disturbing this is... Always two there are ..a master and an apprentice* (casserly and capers)



I was hoping that PB would be AG's apprentice. It could still happen after Glenn finds out that there are few teams who would like to take on his large salary and the probably steep terms it would take to make a trade. Perhaps the team is just humoring Glenn who presumably feels he has not lost a step (no interest from other teams would help adjust his attitude) and management intends to keep him for this season at the very least.

Or at least that is my hope. I would hope we can keep him at least this year for leadership, experience and quality depth; then let him take a pay cut or retire the following year or two.
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Once again the public is duped and noone realizes it. What were CC & DC saying about the PB trade?? That you need 3 outstanding CBs to compete in the AFC, let alone the AFC South. They knew the fans would be upset to get such a "wreckless" cancer like PB, so they spin it into a "PB will learn from AG and will provide a solid 3-man CB tandem". It all sounded so great, that the Nickel and Dime packages would rate among the tops in the NFL.

Now then --- back to reality -- the team's salary cap is needing a good close shave, so the veterns are the ones to start dropping. First the LBs (Foreman & Sharper) next comes Glenn. If the Texans draft another DL today (4th, 5th, 6th, two 7ths), I will start to wonder if Payne or Walker will be given their chance to seek a trade. The defense has not lived up to the Dom Capers mold, constantly ranked in the bottom half, so lets burn the barn and kill all the rats! Start fresh and build this thing up from the bottom. I'm sure McNair doesn't mind, cutting the payroll helps him out as well, plus the Texans fans are pretty loyal now, so they will still fill the stadium. It just seems like the Offense and Defense compete against each other instead of working with / complementing each other. Things need to change quick, fast, and in a hurry!
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One possibility that crosses my mind is something that noone else has mentioned here. Maybe the Texans are letting Glenn seek a trade to see what his market value is. What I'm getting at is this...if Glenn doesn't draw much interest, maybe he will be willing to rework his contract to stay on, but if he does draw alot of interest, the Texans will get relief on the salary cap and pick up a few draft picks as well.

I can't say that I really like the thought of losing Glenn, but the NFL is still a business and there is nothing I can do about it. My best case scenario is that Glenn stays on and teaches Buchannon how to be a better CB, and then retires after either this season or next.
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I am not a coach; I am merely a fan. Maybe I donít understand all the ins and outs that the coaches put together, but what I do understand is that teaching is a fundamental aspect of life.

Maybe Glenn is on the very wrong side of 30, and perhaps he has lost that very important step that made him a full time reliable starter. But what he hasnít lost is his ability to teach and mentor our stars of tomorrow. In my opinion Glenn should be held onto for another year. Let him be the clutch player in situations that Robinson and Buchanan may not be able to step into yet, let him mentor these two until every bit of knowledge has been absorbed from him. I am just not comfortable putting all of our eggs into these two young baskets just yet. Maybe Capers and Casserly feel that they still have Marcus Colman and that he can be a mentor for those two young men?

I do understand the business side of it. As a fan we get emotionally attached to these players. They were the first faces of our franchise, and itís tough to imagine them not being in a Houston Texans uniform. On the other side, I also see the need to advance this team anyway possible. Iím sure the management feels this is the best way to upgrade our team, even if it means dealing ďthe faces of the franchiseĒ. I am not questioning their intent, but as a fan, I do question whether or not this is the right time to do it.

Perhaps this is their master plan from the beginning. When they picked up Buchanan, they felt they shored up the corner positions. Perhaps the plan is to trade Aaron Glenn for that missing center that we need to shore up the offensive line, or perhaps a wide receiver to take the pressure off of AJ. Aaron Glenn could be bait to bring in another player that we need. I just hope the timing is right, and that the value of Glenn is worth all of this.

Anyone who ever said this off season was boring has got a ridiculous definition of exciting.
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It's almost impossible to trade or release Gary Walker. His cap hit for next year's cap would probably cause us much more hell than it's worth to keep him. If Aaron Glenn gets traded, it's gonna be for like a 4th rounder... and honestly, that's more than we would have had if we just let him go June 1st, which seemed very obvious to me. Capers isn't gonna keep Glenn around. He wants the defense faster, which he accomplished, and more athletic, also accomplished. Glenn is very old now, and his time has come. He's going to take this with dignity just like he did every other day in a Texans uniform, and I think that we're doing him justice to seek a trade than to just simply release him.
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I wouldnt have minded if we were to trade Aaron Glenn for lets say a 2nd or 3rd rounder, but thats out of the possibility now. Also, after acquiring PB our secondary was supposed to be very strong, but getting rid of Glenn would make us lose even more depth(we already dont have enough depth) but also take a big part away from us being this strong secondary, with Glenn gone our secondary would remain at best, like last years. What if PB doesnt work out or gets hurt again? Than we'd have to turn to Faggins as a starter. What about moving Glenn to SS?
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This is disappointing. I was really excited about having all 3 corners. But I should have been listening to what management was saying a little more closely - then I wouldn't have been surprised.
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I would hate for us to loose Glenn even if he isn't the player he once was. Casserly himself said that you cannot afford to become a young team all of a sudden, we need to have veteran players who know how to play the game. We are still a very young team and we need A.G. to stick around for a few more years. I think this is a serious issue and hopefully they can resolve it before it becomes a p.r. nightmare.
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