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Old 05-21-2014   #361
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If the Jags handle Bortles correctly then I'm afraid he will be a very good NFL QB.
Just now? Or after they drafted Marquis Lee and Allen Robinson?
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Just now? Or after they drafted Marquis Lee and Allen Robinson?
That's a good start. I still think he should be brought along slowly. A year minimum holding a clipboard.
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I still think he should be brought along slowly. A year minimum holding a clipboard.
I agree. Same with Savage.
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I agree. Same with Savage.
I don't agree with either.

The problem I have with both QBs is that they haven't played a lot. If they can handle the mental aspects of the game, & they both appear to have it upstairs, then the only real learning they can do is on the field.

I don't mean to start them right away, or even at all in 2014. But if they're in a blow out, throw them out there for a series, working your way up to a qtr, or even a half after you're out of play off contention.

I don't see how anyone can say, "1 year minimum" for any QB, any player. There has to be tangible milestones. I want to see how he makes this decision, that decision... how he handles this situation, that situation. I want to see him improve in how he does this, how he does that.

A lot of this, the coaches can see in practice. But when he's ready, he's ready. There's only so much learning you can do on the sideline. He can come up with all the right answers, but sooner or later, you have to put him in real situations to get real progress.
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That's a good start. I still think he should be brought along slowly. A year minimum holding a clipboard.
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I don't agree with either.

The problem I have with both QBs is that they haven't played a lot. If they can handle the mental aspects of the game, & they both appear to have it upstairs, then the only real learning they can do is on the field.

I don't mean to start them right away, or even at all in 2014. But if they're in a blow out, throw them out there for a series, working your way up to a qtr, or even a half after you're out of play off contention.

I don't see how anyone can say, "1 year minimum" for any QB, any player. There has to be tangible milestones. I want to see how he makes this decision, that decision... how he handles this situation, that situation. I want to see him improve in how he does this, how he does that.

A lot of this, the coaches can see in practice. But when he's ready, he's ready. There's only so much learning you can do on the sideline. He can come up with all the right answers, but sooner or later, you have to put him in real situations to get real progress.
The bolded is the key.

There needs to be a schedule with milestones and metrics. Some guys might be ready in half a season, some guys might not be ready in two seasons.

But the only significant testing ground is in game. I've heard vet after vet say again and again, "there ain't nothing like game speed".

The true pass/fail tests have to be in real, meaningful games. And the kid has to earn the right to get into meaningful games by shining in practice.
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ProBowler DT Marcell Dareus, after Bills extended his 5th year option last week was arrested last night for felony possession of controlled substance (supposedly synthetic marijuana-i.e., "spice") and felony possession of drug paraphernalia.........Add speeding to that, the reason he was pulled over to begin with........dumb ass.
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Dareus is facing three misdemeanor charges and four traffic charges stemming from the incident. The misdemeanor charges include: reckless endangerment, reckless driving and participating in an illegal speed contest.

The Pro Bowl defensive lineman is also facing traffic charges of speeding, failure to keep right, leaving the scene of a property damage accident and moving from a lane unsafely.
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Maybe.

Kaepernick has been to two NFC Championship games & a Super Bowl. He just got paid.

Flacco got paid, turned in a crappy season. Ryan got paid, turned in a crappy season. To a lesser extent, Schaub got paid, turned in a crappy season.

If Kaepernick turns in a crappy season, Things aren't looking so good for Mr. Luck.
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Maybe.

Kaepernick has been to two NFC Championship games & a Super Bowl. He just got paid.

Flacco got paid, turned in a crappy season. Ryan got paid, turned in a crappy season. To a lesser extent, Schaub got paid, turned in a crappy season.

If Kaepernick turns in a crappy season, Things aren't looking so good for Mr. Luck.
I betcha if you got a huge raise one year, then put in a crappy year's performance, you wouldn't be jumping up and down for joy when you're called into the boss' office next year to discuss the little matter of a readjustment of the following year's salary.
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i knew the 49'ers werent sustainable because all of those early draft picks were playing well and needing to be paid, but i didnt expect their doom to come so quickly because of crippling the cap with a limited one-and-run quarterback.

alex smith was 19-5-1 with harbaugh, kap is 17-6. quarterback play is very much NOT what's fueling that engine.
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i knew the 49'ers werent sustainable because all of those early draft picks were playing well and needing to be paid, but i didnt expect their doom to come so quickly because of crippling the cap with a limited one-and-run quarterback.

alex smith was 19-5-1 with harbaugh, kap is 17-6. quarterback play is very much NOT what's fueling that engine.
Exactly. That is an insane contract for a QB like Kaepernick.
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Looks like 49ers included de-escalators as part of Kap's contract.

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So if you take the view of Kaepernick deal as 2yrs/$28M KC and CIN could favor similar structural approach w/their QBS, but maybe $22-$25M/2

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Will have a full breakdown on what it takes to avoid the de-escalators in Kap's deal coming up on @CBSSports


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Deal has record $61M injury guarantees, but would be worth $44M/3yrs; $63M/4yrs; $82M/5yrs. 5yr avg in total $ is $16.4M='14 franchise tag


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Kaepernick's deal includes de-escalators that could reduce max worth from $126M-$114M. Deal could be looked at as 2yrs/$28m, pay as you go
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Florio explains Kap's contract. Amazing what an creative organization can do to be able to keep signing players and accomplish good things.....and still avoid cap Hell.

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After signing, with an old-old-school quill pen, his new contract, 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick explained to the media that he agreed to the deal as designed in order to help the team sign and keep other players.

“Part of the way the contract is written and the way it was negotiated was so they would be able to sign other players,” Kaepernick said. “That was something that my agents and the organization worked out and they felt like this was something they would be able to get other players with.”

So how does the deal accomplish that objective? Based on the full numbers we obtained late Wednesday night, Kaepernick’s paltry (relative to other franchise quarterbacks) signing bonus of $12.328 million results in only $2.05 million per year in cap space through 2019 being devoted to the up front payment. Coupled with his base salary of $645,000 and workout bonus of $100,000, Kaepernick’s cap number for 2014 stands at a very manageable $2.795 million.

Next year, when his salary moves to $12.4 million with a $2 million per-game roster bonus and a $400,000 workout bonus, the cap number spikes to $16.85 million. Which is roughly what his cap number would have been if the team had used the franchise tag on Kaepernick next year. Of that amount, $2 million goes away if Kaepernick doesn’t take at least 80 percent of the snaps or if he fails to lead the team to the Super Bowl or to be named first-team or second-team AP All-Pro. So the cap number could be as low as $14.85 million.

For 2016, the salary moves to $13.9 million with another $2 million in per-game roster bonuses and $400,000 workout bonus. That’s a cap number of $18.35 million, which will drop to $16.35 million if he doesn’t take at least 80 percent of the snaps or if he fails to lead the team to the Super Bowl or to be named first-team or second-team AP All-Pro in 2014 and 2015.

The cap numbers, subject to the annual $2 million de-escalator, for the rest of the deal are $20.95 million in 2017, $21.45 million in 2018, $23.25 million in 2019, and $23.4 million in 2020.

The deal allows cap space to be created in any given year via a restructuring that converts base salary to bonus money. However, that reality applies in all long-term, big-money deals. There’s nothing unique to the structure of the Kaepernick deal that makes it any easier to sign other players — other than the fact that the contract represents less than the current market value for franchise quarterbacks.

Over time, Kaepernick’s contract will reflect less and less of the current market value for franchise quarterbacks. If the top of the market was a true $20 million per year when the cap was $123 million per team, what will the top of the market become when the cap spikes above $140 million in 2015? By 2016, it could surpass $160 million. If the top quarterbacks received 16.26 percent of the available cap when the per-team limit was $123 million, the top of the market will be $26 million by the time the cap moves to $160 million.

Kaepernick, with a deal that pays out $13 million in 2014, as much as $14.8 million but as little as $10.4 million in 2015, as much as $16.3 million but as little as $11.9 million in 2016, as much as $18.9 million but as little as $14.5 million in 2017, as much as $19.4 million but as little as $15 million in 2018, as much as $21.2 million but as little as $16.8 million in 2019, and as much as $23.4 million but as little as $19 million in 2020, quickly will find himself well below the going rate for true franchise quarterbacks — no matter how well he plays as he adds to a career that consists for now of only 23 regular-season starts but several memorable postseason performances.
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Talking to a couple prominent agents - both agree this deal is a BIG win for the #49ers. VERY team friends deal
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So if you take the view of Kaepernick deal as 2yrs/$28M...

Will have a full breakdown on what it takes to avoid the de-escalators in Kap's deal

Deal has record $61M injury guarantees, but would be worth $44M/3yrs; $63M/4yrs; $82M/5yrs. 5yr avg in total $ is $16.4M='14 franchise tag

Kaepernick's deal includes de-escalators that could reduce max worth from $126M-$114M. Deal could be looked at as 2yrs/$28m, pay as you go

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Pete Carroll on Jim Harbaugh: Great coach, we love beating him

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The rivalry between the Seahawks and 49ers extends to their coaches. In fact, it begins with their coaches.

Although most football coaches are tight-lipped types who say nothing more about their rival coaches than that they share mutual respect, Seahawks coach Pete Carroll and 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh have always had a barely concealed contempt for each other. They didn’t like each other when Carroll coached USC and Harbaugh coached Stanford, and they don’t like each other now, either.

The latest salvo comes from Carroll, who, according to the Seattle Times, said at an event for Seahawks fans that Harbaugh is “a great coach and we love beating him.”




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