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Old 09-02-2011   #21
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No one is being left out under this policy. All 70,000 fans with a game day ticket can come into the parking lot and tailgate. No extra pass is needed. If they don't have a parking pass...thats ok...they park somewhere else and walk over and join in on the fun.

While it may have appeared like a knee jerk reaction b/c of the Cowboy game...it wasn't. The Texans had been monitoring the situation for quite some time prior to the Cowboy game. This policy was likely to come at some point...the Cowboy game simply escalated the process.

Sure...I miss just inviting some of my friends out to my tailgate party...but I understand...and respect...the decision. I want to continue to have the ability to tailgate for each game and if these rules help allow me to tailgate, so be it.
And if it is a choice between no tailgating or these new rules, then obviously these new rules are the way to go. I'm just not so sure I believe this is just about safety and is just a way to keep tailgating alive; I believe this is nothing more than a money grab. You can choose to believe differently.
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And if it is a choice between no tailgating or these new rules, then obviously these new rules are the way to go. I'm just not so sure I believe this is just about safety and is just a way to keep tailgating alive; I believe this is nothing more than a money grab. You can choose to believe differently.
I'm trying to understand your perspective.

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No one is being left out under this policy. All 70,000 fans with a game day ticket can come into the parking lot and tailgate. No extra pass is needed. If they don't have a parking pass...thats ok...they park somewhere else and walk over and join in on the fun.

While it may have appeared like a knee jerk reaction b/c of the Cowboy game...it wasn't. The Texans had been monitoring the situation for quite some time prior to the Cowboy game. This policy was likely to come at some point...the Cowboy game simply escalated the process.

Sure...I miss just inviting some of my friends out to my tailgate party...but I understand...and respect...the decision. I want to continue to have the ability to tailgate for each game and if these rules help allow me to tailgate, so be it.
What about the folks invited to the tailgate to "meet up" with the folks they're getting the tickets from? That's right, they can't get in. If you're in a convenient position, you can pass them through the fence. If you have an extra and were hoping to sell it off at your tailgate? You are pretty much out of luck. Both of those scenarios played out in the Blue Crew after these new rules were initiated. In case one, sometimes they got their ticket, sometimes they didn't. In case two, the season ticket holder lost $.

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And if it is a choice between no tailgating or these new rules, then obviously these new rules are the way to go. I'm just not so sure I believe this is just about safety and is just a way to keep tailgating alive; I believe this is nothing more than a money grab. You can choose to believe differently.
I could've bought the safety excuse until they came up with their new numbers. The potential number of tailgate passes FAR exceeds the worst crowd the Texans have ever seen.

I've also never seen the written guidelines that stated ONLY non-ticketed fans may get into brawls on-site. It's funny, most fights I've seen were from fans EXITING the stadium.
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What about the folks invited to the tailgate to "meet up" with the folks they're getting the tickets from? That's right, they can't get in. If you're in a convenient position, you can pass them through the fence. If you have an extra and were hoping to sell it off at your tailgate? You are pretty much out of luck. Both of those scenarios played out in the Blue Crew after these new rules were initiated. In case one, sometimes they got their ticket, sometimes they didn't. In case two, the season ticket holder lost $.

I could've bought the safety excuse until they came up with their new numbers. The potential number of tailgate passes FAR exceeds the worst crowd the Texans have ever seen.

I've also never seen the written guidelines that stated ONLY non-ticketed fans may get into brawls on-site. It's funny, most fights I've seen were from fans EXITING the stadium.

Well for what it is worth, if they were going to be selling them to someone who was coming, I would have assumed that they would have had each other's numbers to call when they got near the gate. I have walked from my spot to the gate to give others tickets when they got there.. Sure, a little hassle, but not the end of the world, and I will say, from where I tailgate to the gate it is a little bit of a walk. For the Blue Crew'ers, ya'll are right there so you can hand them thru the gate..that should never have been a problem. Now if you were looking to sell them to someone who might have been looking for a ticket, well yeah, that's just a chance we all take, and from my experience, I have never been upset about not being able to unload one extra ticket.. it's the cost of being a season ticket holder.
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I didn't purchase any of the tailgate tickets, and I never will. You don't have a ticket to the game, you don't go WITH ME to the tailgate. IMHO tailgating should be for season ticket holders, or fans with a ticket to the game, not a bunch of questionable fans who just want to hang out on a HOT parking lot and drink beer. We pay a hell of a lot of money for tickets, and there should be SOME perk for that, such as tailgating without all the rif-raf, and without worrying about who's going through your stuff while you're at the game. JMO!!
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I'm trying to understand your perspective.

Are you a season ticket holder?
Yes. I don't hold the PSL though.

To be quite honest, this has nothing to do with me, currently at least, at all. There is no one I would want to bring to the game just to tailgate. I just think the rule as it stands is nothing more than a money grab. Just my opinion.

On that note, I'd like to apologize if I offended any of you with my tone in earlier posts. I don't think it is stupid to require people to have some form of a ticket to tailgate. I just think it is stupid to charge season ticket holders, or worse yet PSL holders, for a tailgate pass. In fact, I'd be more ok with it if they made season ticket holders that don't own the PSL have to pay for tailgate passes as long as PSL holders got them for free.
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I didn't purchase any of the tailgate tickets, and I never will. You don't have a ticket to the game, you don't go WITH ME to the tailgate. IMHO tailgating should be for season ticket holders, or fans with a ticket to the game, not a bunch of questionable fans who just want to hang out on a HOT parking lot and drink beer. We pay a hell of a lot of money for tickets, and there should be SOME perk for that, such as tailgating without all the rif-raf, and without worrying about who's going through your stuff while you're at the game. JMO!!
I totally understand your perspective. To be honest though like disaacks said, you have as much to worry about with fans that actually have a ticket as you do with fans that don't. I think you guys are kidding yourselves if you think this policy magically makes the rif-raf disappear.
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Yes. I don't hold the PSL though.

To be quite honest, this has nothing to do with me, currently at least, at all. There is no one I would want to bring to the game just to tailgate. I just think the rule as it stands is nothing more than a money grab. Just my opinion.

On that note, I'd like to apologize if I offended any of you with my tone in earlier posts. I don't think it is stupid to require people to have some form of a ticket to tailgate. I just think it is stupid to charge season ticket holders, or worse yet PSL holders, for a tailgate pass. In fact, I'd be more ok with it if they made season ticket holders that don't own the PSL have to pay for tailgate passes as long as PSL holders got them for free.
See this is what I don't understand here. The Texans aren't charging me for a tailgate pass because I have tickets to the game. They are charging guest who want to tailgate so it doesn't cost me a dime.

We had a group that when we started off was about 15-20 and grew to 100 plus each week. After they put in the new rules, our tailgate dropped back down to 25-30 but after 2 pre season games our numbers are growing again. We had 45 people for the Jets game and had 70 for the Saints and I expect to have 80-100 for the Colts game.

We thrown one hell of a tailgate that people don't mind paying the $10 tailgate pass fee. I do believe that part of it was a money grab but I also believe it had to do with the saftey of season ticket holders.
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I totally understand your perspective. To be honest though like disaacks said, you have as much to worry about with fans that actually have a ticket as you do with fans that don't. I think you guys are kidding yourselves if you think this policy magically makes the rif-raf disappear.

Well, at least you can HOPE that if people pay a wad of money for a ticket, they will go to the game, and not lotter on the parking lot. Sure, fans will let their $8 a bottle beer get the best of them and get into fights, it's happened every year, and it will continue. Security has enough problems taking care of the 70,000+ fans that have tickets to the game, why should they have to focus on people on the parking lots that are there just to party, NOT watch a football game. Guess I'm just a little old fashioned in that I go to support my favorite football team, not hang out on the parking lot looking for trouble. There will always be rif-raf, jerks, instigators, thieves, people who get a kick out of keying a car, breaking windows, or knifing tires, etc. I just don't see adding to the problem.

I'm really not that much of a hardass. I understand some folks like to watch the game on the parking lot, visit with friends, and just relax and enjoy the tailgating experience, maybe because they can't afford the high priced ticket, but, still want to be a part of the TEXAN gameday experience. It's just sad that the rif-raf spoils it for these good people.

FWIW: 10 tickets per season ticket holder is way to many. JMO! If they were actually concerned with limiting the problems on the parking lots during the game, rather than making money, they would cut this in half at least, if not more. I think I'll just continue to do what I do and not take anyone who does not have a ticket to the game. That way I just don't have to worry about them.
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See this is what I don't understand here. The Texans aren't charging me for a tailgate pass because I have tickets to the game. They are charging guest who want to tailgate so it doesn't cost me a dime.

We had a group that when we started off was about 15-20 and grew to 100 plus each week. After they put in the new rules, our tailgate dropped back down to 25-30 but after 2 pre season games our numbers are growing again. We had 45 people for the Jets game and had 70 for the Saints and I expect to have 80-100 for the Colts game.

We thrown one hell of a tailgate that people don't mind paying the $10 tailgate pass fee. I do believe that part of it was a money grab but I also believe it had to do with the saftey of season ticket holders.
Fair enough. Sounds like a fun tailgate!

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Well, at least you can HOPE that if people pay a wad of money for a ticket, they will go to the game, and not lotter on the parking lot. Sure, fans will let their $8 a bottle beer get the best of them and get into fights, it's happened every year, and it will continue. Security has enough problems taking care of the 70,000+ fans that have tickets to the game, why should they have to focus on people on the parking lots that are there just to party, NOT watch a football game. Guess I'm just a little old fashioned in that I go to support my favorite football team, not hang out on the parking lot looking for trouble. There will always be rif-raf, jerks, instigators, thieves, people who get a kick out of keying a car, breaking windows, or knifing tires, etc. I just don't see adding to the problem.

I'm really not that much of a hardass. I understand some folks like to watch the game on the parking lot, visit with friends, and just relax and enjoy the tailgating experience, maybe because they can't afford the high priced ticket, but, still want to be a part of the TEXAN gameday experience. It's just sad that the rif-raf spoils it for these good people.

FWIW: 10 tickets per season ticket holder is way to many. JMO! If they were actually concerned with limiting the problems on the parking lots during the game, rather than making money, they would cut this in half at least, if not more. I think I'll just continue to do what I do and not take anyone who does not have a ticket to the game. That way I just don't have to worry about them.
Your last two paragraphs nail it IMO. In your first paragraph, you make it sound like the only people that want to show up just to tailgate are all thugs and low-lifes when I would venture to guess that the thugs make up a VERY small percentage of the tailgate only crowd. The thugs just seem to get the most press. You then rectify that apparent accusation in the next paragraph and honestly if they only gave out say 2 tickets per season ticket holder, or maybe even better only give them to PSL holders, then I bet essentially all of the people that went and only tailgated would be the people you describe in paragraph 2.

Your final paragraph drives it home, for me, that this is ONLY about money. Safety is not their primary or even secondary concern. They saw it as a chance to jump on something that was an issue at the time, make a big deal out of it, and make more $$$$$. If it was about safety, then you certainly don't give each season ticket holder 10 passes each. Craziness...
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[*]Let's be conservative and say only 30,000 seats in Reliant belong to Season ticket holders.
[*]If those 30,000 but their allotment of 10 tickets each, we're dealing with 300,000 (+the 70K in the stadium coming out afterward).
Well, first off, you get 10 tailgate tickets per account, not ticket. I have 2 season tickets but only get the option to buy 10 tailgate passes, not 20, because I only have one account.

Jamey Rootes said on the Vikings broadcast that there were 64,000 season tickets. That, of course, doesn't mean there's 64,000 accounts. As I mentioned, I have 2 seats on my account and doubt that there are very many with just 1 season ticket. Most accounts are going to have 2, 4 or more tickets on them. That probably gets it closer to your 30,000 number, except I think that is still a little high. I'd put it closer to 20,000 accounts.

Now the question becomes, what percentage of those 20,000 accounts tailgate? Even if it's 50%, that's 10,000 accounts that would even be interested in buying tailgate passes. Granted, that's still 100,000 extra people IF everyone bought and used those 10 tickets. Not everyone will do that. I haven't bought a tailgate pass yet.

So that's going to be a whole lot less than your 370,000 estimate.
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Well, first off, you get 10 tailgate tickets per account, not ticket. I have 2 season tickets but only get the option to buy 10 tailgate passes, not 20, because I only have one account.

Jamey Rootes said on the Vikings broadcast that there were 64,000 season tickets. That, of course, doesn't mean there's 64,000 accounts. As I mentioned, I have 2 seats on my account and doubt that there are very many with just 1 season ticket. Most accounts are going to have 2, 4 or more tickets on them. That probably gets it closer to your 30,000 number, except I think that is still a little high. I'd put it closer to 20,000 accounts.

Now the question becomes, what percentage of those 20,000 accounts tailgate? Even if it's 50%, that's 10,000 accounts that would even be interested in buying tailgate passes. Granted, that's still 100,000 extra people IF everyone bought and used those 10 tickets. Not everyone will do that. I haven't bought a tailgate pass yet.

So that's going to be a whole lot less than your 370,000 estimate.
...and I'd venture to say the POTENTIAL is quite a bit more than your 100K estimate. Even if it WAS 100K, that would still equal the crowd that caused this entire issue to begin with (Dallas Game). If safety is your priority, you don't leave the kids off the list, you don't allow 10 per account, and you force them to be bought well in advance so that you can staff security appropriately. Anything else invites the supposed "disaster" you're trying to prevent.

Agree/Disagree with the policy to your heart's content, but don't try and tell me "Safety" is the issue here.

BTW - College campuses have dealt with far LARGER crowds (and worse rivalries) for years without resorting to this type of solution. I've been in more than a few of them over the years and never felt "threatened" in any way. (...nor did I walking out last year after the Dallas game)
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...and I'd venture to say the POTENTIAL is quite a bit more than your 100K estimate. Even if it WAS 100K, that would still equal the crowd that caused this entire issue to begin with (Dallas Game). If safety is your priority, you don't leave the kids off the list, you don't allow 10 per account, and you force them to be bought well in advance so that you can staff security appropriately. Anything else invites the supposed "disaster" you're trying to prevent.

Agree/Disagree with the policy to your heart's content, but don't try and tell me "Safety" is the issue here.

BTW - College campuses have dealt with far LARGER crowds (and worse rivalries) for years without resorting to this type of solution. I've been in more than a few of them over the years and never felt "threatened" in any way. (...nor did I walking out last year after the Dallas game)
I never said it was about safety. Though I do agree with them not wanting anybody with a cooler just showing up on their property.

You're not going to stop idiots from fighting or causing trouble. Hell, there was a huge rumble about to go down 2 weeks ago after the Saints game WITH all these new rules in place.

You also don't have to allow just anyone to show up on your property. That's what happened for the Dallas game. Half the freaking city showed up to have a huge party on private property. I can understand the Texans not wanting that.

And honestly, ticket holders are paying good money just to park, whether they tailgate or not. And all these people are storming the lots and partying for free? Nah man, that don't jive.

Maybe it's a money grab and maybe by charging $10 they know all of the allotted tickets aren't going to come close to being used. And that WILL keep the numbers well below 100,000.
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OK lets do it like San Fran. Not

The only people that complain is the people that have no ticket. If you were not such an Ahole to the texans they would probably work with you to accomadate, and paying 72 dollars when they want 100 is a significant savings, better than tipping percentage. We have not had a serious issue, theft fight rummaging through our stuff since the policy went into affect. I am so for it cause my beer stays in my cooler and is cold when I get out after the game is over. If your wanting in the blue crew earlier that the gate opens My truck is in the fiesta parking lot at 6:30 EVERY SUNDAY MORNING THERE IS A GAME. your welcome t jump in the back an ride in with me.
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