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That's what Kubiak announced today.

Is Jacoby really going to show any flash as opposed to the past 2 years........and why would you expect that?

Is Manning someone we can AFFORD to gamble on losing in a return?

If Jacoby goes down, there are decent options at Schaub targets. Are there really any decent options that you would trust at safety?
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sigh....grasping at straws. Leave manning alone to defend.
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That's what Kubiak announced today.

Is Jacoby really going to show any flash as opposed to the past 2 years........and why would you expect that?

Is Manning someone we can AFFORD to gamble on losing in a return?


If Jacoby goes down, there are decent options at Schaub targets. Are there really any decent options that you would trust at safety?
With the new rules he's only going to return it about 3 or 4 times any ways.
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With the new rules he's only going to return it about 3 or 4 times any ways.
I agree but I still wouldn't risk Manning to injury on a kick return.
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Default Re: Jacoby Punt Returner/Manning Kick Returner

This isn't really news. They've been trying guys out but ST coach said this weeks ago.

Problem with returns last year wasn't Jacoby. It was his blocking.

These issues are going to be hard to fix. The special teams is going to have a LOT of inexperienced guys on it. Even if they are a good athlete--Reed--it takes awhile to be very good at it. They were going to count on Barwin as a returning guy who would be great at it last year but he got injured early in the year.

The ST best years were when the ST coach had very good designated special teams guys. Troy Evans was probably the best for Texans, and had the same role on the Super Bowl Saints team. Andre Davis was a good ST guy. Vonta Leach had a ton of experience with the ST coach and now he is gone.

Few guys come into NFL great at ST because they were the top guys at their school and often didn't have to do ST. ST coach has very few guys experienced at ST to work with + knowing what he wants.

Kubiak is spending more of the morning practice sessions on ST because they only have one real practice a day. I think with no OTAs, or minicamps, ST coach has his work cut out for him with a very very inexperienced special teams group, even after cuts are made.
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With the new rules he's only going to return it about 3 or 4 times any ways.


MANNING-A 4-year 20 million dollar investment 9 million guaranteed.

JONES-A 3-year 10.5 million dollar investment 3 million guaranteed


Manning Risk assessment:

Risk of injury when you are covering/tackling ONE player x 30 plays vs. 10 someones trying to tackle you x 4 plays.
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This isn't really news. They've been trying guys out but ST coach said this weeks ago.

Problem with returns last year wasn't Jacoby. It was his blocking.

These issues are going to be hard to fix. The special teams is going to have a LOT of inexperienced guys on it. Even if they are a good athlete--Reed--it takes awhile to be very good at it. They were going to count on Barwin as a returning guy who would be great at it last year but he got injured early in the year.

The ST best years were when the ST coach had very good designated special teams guys. Troy Evans was probably the best for Texans, and had the same role on the Super Bowl Saints team. Andre Davis was a good ST guy. Vonta Leach had a ton of experience with the ST coach and now he is gone.

Few guys come into NFL great at ST because they were the top guys at their school and often didn't have to do ST. ST coach has very few guys experienced at ST to work with + knowing what he wants.

Kubiak is spending more of the morning practice sessions on ST because they only have one real practice a day. I think with no OTAs, or minicamps, ST coach has his work cut out for him with a very very inexperienced special teams group, even after cuts are made.
Can't argue with anything you said. It does beg the question that much more why take a chance with Manning being flanked by an inexperienced blocking personnel?
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Default Re: Jacoby Punt Returner/Manning Kick Returner

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MANNING-A 4-year 20 million dollar investment 9 million guaranteed.

JONES-A 3-year 10.5 million dollar investment 3 million guaranteed


Manning Risk assessment:

Risk of injury when you are covering/tackling ONE player x 30 plays vs. 10 someones trying to tackle you x 4 plays.
That post was more of a joke about the new rules but still, I can't blame them for wanting Manning to do it if he's the best. If he does get nicked up though they'll just have to go back to the less than average options already......

Too bad Trindon Holliday didn't work out.
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Default Re: Jacoby Punt Returner/Manning Kick Returner

How often do returners get hurt anyway? Usually its the blockers or wedge busters that get knocked out. If anything, Jacoby is way more likely to get hurt running across the middle than on a punt, IMO of course.
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Good news, IMO. Does anyone have a statistic for players that get injured due to regular kick returning? I would imagine it would be a very underwhelming number. The guys blocking/tackling are the ones how often get hurt more often.
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That's what Kubiak announced today.

Is Jacoby really going to show any flash as opposed to the past 2 years........and why would you expect that?
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Problem with returns last year wasn't Jacoby. It was his blocking.
Jones had been top 8 in punt return average his first 3 years in the league, prior to 2010. If he gets the blocking, I would expect Jacoby to be top 8, again.

I would still prefer a return specialist. There are still plenty of cuts to be made around the league. I expect a return specialist to pop up somewhere on the waiver wire.
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I expect a return specialist to pop up somewhere on the waiver wire.
So just wait to see who the Raiders cut?
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Nothing big here. We will just see Manning taking the 20, and Jacoby waving kicks.
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So just wait to see who the Raiders cut?
Hell, just take away JaMarcus's Hot Pocket and put him at NT.
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Jones had been top 8 in punt return average his first 3 years in the league, prior to 2010. If he gets the blocking, I would expect Jacoby to be top 8, again.

I would still prefer a return specialist. There are still plenty of cuts to be made around the league. I expect a return specialist to pop up somewhere on the waiver wire.
The question is would Kubiak entertain a return specialist.
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Wasn't Keo touted as a returner? IIRC, Deion Sanders raved about his return ability?
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Option 1.) Honestly, if it's kicked into the EZ on a kickoff, just down it and take the 20.

Option 2.) If it's kicked short and is between the 10 and goal line, return it.

Option 3.) If it's kicked woefully short (to the 20 or 15), fair catch it.

Is it THAT hard to come up with a workable solution? I say NO, it's not.

Special Teams, other than the field goal kicking, has been a wreck. It looks the same this year. Punt returns, kickoff returns, and when we punt or kickoff, is the time I go grab a drink from the fridge and maybe take a leak while I'm up.
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What about putting Slaton back there again. I thought he showed some real promise..............
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I still feel that special teams was a big area that we needed help with. I really wish Holliday was as good in real life as he was in Madden .
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