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Old 08-24-2011   #1
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This is my favorite thing to come out of the conversation about the new kickoff rules. Bill Belichick used a kickoff question to move the conversation toward the extra point, and argued that it should be eliminated from the game, or at least greatly modified.

"Philosophically, plays that are non-plays shouldn't be in the game. I don't think it is good for the game. Extra points, when the odds are 99 percent range in extra points it is not a play. Let's move the ball back to the 15-20 yard line and not make it a tap in. Let them kick it. Same thing with the kickoff return, if you're just going to put the ball on the 20, put the ball on the 20."

(Applause.)

Given my druthers, I'd eliminate it completely -- I don't think you'd see a lot of kicks missed from the 15 or 20, either. It saves time, it speeds the game along, and the guy in the end-zone seats with the John 3:16 sign doesn't get time to prepare for his close-up.
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Default Re: Bill Belichick wants the extra point to die

Can't say I agree but I do get where he's coming from.

Yeah the Extra point is pretty much a sure thing...but when it is blocked it usually is a exciting thing. There really is no reason to take it out, it's not even a dangerous play or a lengthy one.

As for the new kickoff rule, that's another topic and they shouldn't have messed with it. At one point the NFL is going to have to realize that this is a violent sport and people are going to get hurt. When they start changing traditional rules that change the game (the kickoff rule) then I think we've reached that point. What's next, can only two hand touch the WRs? Thus getting rid of all the big hits that defenders plan to put on them once they catch the ball.
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Default Re: Bill Belichick wants the extra point to die

He's right. Move it back to where MOST PEOPLE can't just kick it through the upright or do away with it completely.

As for the kickoffs, I don't think that will ever be removed, it's necessary. I do think that at some point, the players are going to have to make a stand and say, "this is what we signed up for" and let them participate in some violent collisions. People sign up for all kinds of crazy shit, sky diving, braces, war, mma cage fights, tattoos come on.....
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Default Re: Bill Belichick wants the extra point to die

I agree with Bellicheat.

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Default Re: Bill Belichick wants the extra point to die

Extra point is a waste of time. I like the idea of making it a real play. Move them out to the 10 and force a 2 point conversion.
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Default Re: Bill Belichick wants the extra point to die

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Can't say I agree but I do get where he's coming from.

Yeah the Extra point is pretty much a sure thing...but when it is blocked it usually is a exciting thing. There really is no reason to take it out, it's not even a dangerous play or a lengthy one.

As for the new kickoff rule, that's another topic and they shouldn't have messed with it. At one point the NFL is going to have to realize that this is a violent sport and people are going to get hurt. When they start changing traditional rules that change the game (the kickoff rule) then I think we've reached that point. What's next, can only two hand touch the WRs? Thus getting rid of all the big hits that defenders plan to put on them once they catch the ball.
Right now, there are still collisions on kick offs, but they are basically pointless collisions. Guys still run down and get hit, only to have the return man take a knee.
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Extra point is a waste of time. I like the idea of making it a real play. Move them out to the 10 and force a 2 point conversion.
Or make the kicker hit either one of the uprights for the point. Its easy as hell to kick in that big open space in between. Make them hit the 8" wide upright, that would take some skill.
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Default Re: Bill Belichick wants the extra point to die

Have the goal post spin. Then the kicker has to time it right to get it through.

Or pull a net up along the uprights with a box painted on it and the kicker has to hit that box.

Or, all extra point kicks have to be drop kicked.
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Default Re: Bill Belichick wants the extra point to die

Disagree with Belicheat here...I was very much in favor of bringing back the 2-point conversion years ago and I see no reason to eliminate it now.

This all seems like knee-jeck overreaction to the kickoffs being moved up (which won't last).
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but when it is blocked it usually is a exciting thing. There really is no reason to take it out, it's not even a dangerous play or a lengthy one.
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Yeah the Extra point is pretty much a sure thing...but when it is blocked it usually is a exciting thing. There really is no reason to take it out, it's not even a dangerous play or a lengthy one.
I've never found it exciting, personally. When they miss I just chuckle and say "wow...really?" and that's about it.

Now I think it would be more exciting if they allowed the blocking team to score a point on a return of an attempt, and still get the ball at kickoff. I think that would heighten the exitement and provide incentive towards blocking the kids rather than watching the typical lineman stand up after the snap and turn around to see if it was good.
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Default Re: Bill Belichick wants the extra point to die

I've always been against the extra point and I agree with Belichick. The extra point to me is a pointless exercise. They need to do away with it completely or figure out a way to make it more of a real play instead of an automatic chip shot.
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Extra point is a waste of time. I like the idea of making it a real play. Move them out to the 10 and force a 2 point conversion.
Actually, I kind of like this. It's more exciting than a stupid 10 yd kick, and it's most certainly not automatic.
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Default Re: Bill Belichick wants the extra point to die

Oh wow. This is exactly what I have been advocating the past year.

In my NFL world, there is NO field goal kicker. Just a punter.

Start each possession on the 20, or move it forwards or backwards if there was a personal foul on scoring team or defending team during the TD play, respectively.

No extra points. No field goals. Frees up a roster spot, too!

2-point conversions after every TD.

This would stop games from being won on the leg of a guy (the kicker) who actually plays no other real role on the team.

Especially with taking away wedge formation kickoff blocking, and the newest rule of putting the ball forward 5 yards, there's just no use for kickoffs. Waste of time. Makes the game less interesting because it's impossible to make a decent return on kickoffs now. Just axe it altogether.
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Default Re: Bill Belichick wants the extra point to die

They will never get rid of kickers for two reasons: 1) the game is called football, and 2) this is an aspect of the game that goes back to it's rugby origins.
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Extra point is a waste of time. I like the idea of making it a real play. Move them out to the 10 and force a 2 point conversion.
2 pt conversion from the 10? That seems dangerous.
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Default Re: Bill Belichick wants the extra point to die

I'm thinking one point conversion from the five yard line or a two point conversion from the 10.
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