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Old 10-16-2011   #41
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If you look at last years defense , they were never the same after Barwin went down ....
ha hes got injured in the second q of the first game right?

not rly enough evidence to contrast the D with or without him
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ha hes got injured in the second q of the first game right?

not rly enough evidence to contrast the D with or without him
LMAO, great sample size that is
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ha hes got injured in the second q of the first game right?

not rly enough evidence to contrast the D with or without him
I believe it, LOL.

PS-No, not really.
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I believe it, LOL.

PS-No, not really.

Yea, actually he did, it was the first game and IIRC it was the FIRST quarter, I thought it was the first defensive series....
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I believe it, LOL.

PS-No, not really.

Its not the sample size .... its what they did with and without him ..... Go back and watch the film.

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That doesn't even make sense. He doesn't show up on the stat sheet but he makes plays??! That sounds like a guy who just isn't fast enough or just can't diagnose a play quick enough. I am not saying he is garbage. I am saying he is overrated by Texan fans. He will get 4-6 sacks a season and might get a few lucky turnovers each year, but he will not be a focal point on our defense. I think Reed turns out to be the better pro, but neither will matter because Mario is the top dog. They are excellent role players, but the way most of you describe him and the hopes you seem to have are just unrealistic for the guy. You are basically setting him up to fail if you expect him to be great.
I don't know about that. I think Both Barwin & Reed are going to be challenging double digit sacks this year. Barwin is basically in his second year & so far is showing that 2nd round pick was well spent. Reed as well, in only 5 games.

I don't think they'll be CMIII or DeMarcus Ware, but those guys are more or less playing solo... Maybe not this year, but next (if we're still doing the same thing) I wouldn't be surprised if our OLB tandem (assuming no more Mario) wouldn't be leading the league in sacks by OLBs.
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I don't know about that. I think Both Barwin & Reed are going to be challenging double digit sacks this year. Barwin is basically in his second year & so far is showing that 2nd round pick was well spent. Reed as well, in only 5 games.

I don't think they'll be CMIII or DeMarcus Ware, but those guys are more or less playing solo... Maybe not this year, but next (if we're still doing the same thing) I wouldn't be surprised if our OLB tandem (assuming no more Mario) wouldn't be leading the league in sacks by OLBs.
You think withOUT Mario we will lead the league in sacks? I don't get this thought. Mario was dominant this season and now no one wants him it seems. Well I guess we have to wait and see with Barwin and Reed, but my hopes are quite low on Barwin. Hopefully Im wrong.
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You think withOUT Mario we will lead the league in sacks? I don't get this thought.
That's not what I said... I said our OLB duo would lead the league in sacks by OLBs....

If Ware gets 16 & Spencer gets 4, total 20....
I think Reed & Barwin would rack up 22-24
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Mario was dominant this season and now no one wants him it seems. Well I guess we have to wait and see with Barwin and Reed, but my hopes are quite low on Barwin. Hopefully Im wrong.
I'm a Mario fan, but have always said we would be wasting his talent if we ever went back to a 3-4. I think Mario at OLB was an interesting experiment, but why would you put that square peg in that round hole? Sure he looked good.. but imagine if he were playing the 5 tech in a similarly aggressive 4-3 ran by someone who knows how to run a 4-3.... the Giants, the Titans, Chicago.
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That's not what I said... I said our OLB duo would lead the league in sacks by OLBs....

If Ware gets 16 & Spencer gets 4, total 20....
I think Reed & Barwin would rack up 22-24


I'm a Mario fan, but have always said we would be wasting his talent if we ever went back to a 3-4. I think Mario at OLB was an interesting experiment, but why would you put that square peg in that round hole? Sure he looked good.. but imagine if he were playing the 5 tech in a similarly aggressive 4-3 ran by someone who knows how to run a 4-3.... the Giants, the Titans, Chicago.
Again, you're saying Reed and Barwin get those sacks, so I have to assume by leaving out Mario he won't be here next season. Also, aren't you the one who said to trust Wade on Jackson? If so, you have to do the same with Mario and Mario actually proved he could work in this system. He is a rusher first and foremost and with him standing up he has an edge on the tackle. He is more than athletic enough to play the position, so why would we assume he will fail or not exceed?
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That doesn't even make sense. He doesn't show up on the stat sheet but he makes plays??! That sounds like a guy who just isn't fast enough or just can't diagnose a play quick enough. I am not saying he is garbage. I am saying he is overrated by Texan fans. He will get 4-6 sacks a season and might get a few lucky turnovers each year, but he will not be a focal point on our defense. I think Reed turns out to be the better pro, but neither will matter because Mario is the top dog. They are excellent role players, but the way most of you describe him and the hopes you seem to have are just unrealistic for the guy. You are basically setting him up to fail if you expect him to be great.
That is such a myopic stance on judging a player I can't take this argument seriously. The bottom line is you want 11 guys playing well making life difficult as hell on the offense. Barwin has been doing more than his share of that this season.
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Again, you're saying Reed and Barwin get those sacks, so I have to assume by leaving out Mario he won't be here next season.
Did you totally miss that "if" in parenthesis?

Did you go to school in Louisiana?
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Also, aren't you the one who said to trust Wade on Jackson? If so, you have to do the same with Mario and Mario actually proved he could work in this system. He is a rusher first and foremost and with him standing up he has an edge on the tackle. He is more than athletic enough to play the position, so why would we assume he will fail or not exceed?
Again.. I didn't assume that he would fail. I said "if"

I didn't agree with the "experiment" but I supported it, go back & look.
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Did you totally miss that "if" in parenthesis?

Did you go to school in Louisiana?


Again.. I didn't assume that he would fail. I said "if"

I didn't agree with the "experiment" but I supported it, go back & look.
yea, I missed it, no I didn't I went to school in Texas, , and I don't need to go back, I trust you
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That is such a myopic stance on judging a player I can't take this argument seriously. The bottom line is you want 11 guys playing well making life difficult as hell on the offense. Barwin has been doing more than his share of that this season.
There was actually supposed to be a second flea-flicker in Sunday's game. Michael Bush saw Barwin standing next to Campbell & decided to keep the ball..

That's what Barwin is supposed to do, change the game.
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There was actually supposed to be a second flea-flicker in Sunday's game. Michael Bush saw Barwin standing next to Campbell & decided to keep the ball..

That's what Barwin is supposed to do, change the game.
That and the missed strip sack against Pitt are two plays that come to mind immediately with Barwin. If Bush doesn't make a very intelligent play and hold on to the football Barwin is going to wind up causing a turnover on that flea flicker.
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What do you thionk of me now? signed Connor Barwin.
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What do you thionk of me now? signed Connor Barwin.
Yup, in the game thread I ate some crow, hes making me look like a jackass
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No you called it as you saw it and how it was. He is just getting into the rythym I think.
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No you called it as you saw it and how it was. He is just getting into the rythym I think.
He's had three strong games now... he's about to hit the zone.
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Its not the sample size .... its what they did with and without him ..... Go back and watch the film.

(Im sure 76 could solve the riddle)
I had started my notes just before the game started and then Vinny and Rey kept me busy with Kareem Jackson.

I'll catch up on this some other time!

Barwin already proves it for me anyway in this game, and as TK mentioned, not just this game!
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Great game........ Connor played excellent.
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