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Wolf · 08-15-2011

Rackers is Rackers

not to impressed with kick return team and kick off coverage.

**Playoffs** · 08-15-2011

Yep. Needs work.

Like the Jets idea of being 7 deep for kickoffs.

Wolf · 08-15-2011

kicking off has a arena football league appeal to it.

**badboy** · 08-15-2011

No blocking

Texas T · 08-15-2011

and all running backwards...

**edo783** · 08-15-2011

Special teams SUCKED. Horrible tackling and blocking. Fortunately most of the time it will just be a "Set it on the twenty" situation.

**ChampionTexan** · 08-15-2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by edo783

Special teams SUCKED. Horrible tackling and blocking. Fortunately most of the time it will just be a "Set it on the twenty" situation.

Which is a win for the Texans whether they're kicking off or receiving.

Special teams (other than Rackers) was a huge problem last season, and I'm very skeptical whether a new punter fixes much. Sure won't fix punt and kick returns.

**SAMURAITEXAN** · 08-15-2011

ST needs special attention to fix their problems.

TimeKiller · 08-15-2011

I gotta say, the rule isn't THAT bad, I mean if you wanna play a return there's a decent chance you get a great starting field on D. Just kick it a little short. For all the offense catering penalties and rules a defensive change to the game is not so bad.

Someone will figure out a better way to block this element of the game. Is that someone Joe M?

**Dutchrudder** · 08-15-2011

Our returnmen looked terrible. It was like Steve Slaton infected them all with his crappy skills.

brakos82 · 08-15-2011

"special" teams. imo.

michaelm · 08-15-2011

After his first return, my immediate reaction was that Demps is clearly not the answer for the return game. Lots of other potential in camp. I think our future KR is on the current roster, waiting for his chance.

**Kimmy** · 08-15-2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf

Rackers is Rackers

not to impressed with kick return team and kick off coverage.

Maynard did a damn fine job pinning at the 9

Wolf · 08-21-2011

I wasn't impressed again.

on a side note, I wonder when the regular season starts, how many kicks will teams run out of the endzone. I am thinking not much.

The Pencil Neck · 08-21-2011

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Originally Posted by Wolf

I wasn't impressed again.

on a side note, I wonder when the regular season starts, how many kicks will teams run out of the endzone. I am thinking not much.

I expect most teams to go back to their old "rules" about when to run a kick out. Right now, they've got to see their fringe players on returns to figure out who to keep and who to let go.

But it's going to be interesting to see if teams start changing their strategies to figure out different ways to approach the kick.

BattleRedToro · 08-21-2011

I don't remember who kicked it because the Texans have been trying several players at kicker for kickoffs, but someone kicked a kickoff through the uprights.

Wolf · 08-21-2011

hartman kicked it

here is a 90 yarder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cakCc...eature=related

Jackie Chiles · 08-21-2011

Yeah, Hartman has a boot on him. I wonder if they are asking him to change it up with all the line drive stuff or if he is having trouble squaring it up consistently. I'm leaning towards the former.

BattleRedToro · 08-21-2011

How has Hartman done with his punts compared to Maynard. My hope is that the Texans keep the best punter, and that he is able to takeover the Kickoff duties from Rackers, so long as he has a strong enough leg to be able to consistently kick it out of the endzone. If this happens then we won't have to be so concerned with our poor kickoff coverage team. Of course, that still leaves our punt coverage team as a concern.

GP · 08-21-2011

Maynard's talent is directional punting, such as coffin-cornering those punts inside the 10. And he showed he can do it.

If Kubiak feels like his offense is good enough to get out of our own end of the field, and at least near the 50 most of the time, he might go with Maynard for the simple fact that Maynard has shown an ability to pin opponents deep inside their own territory.

If he wants to go with OPTIONS, he goes with Hartmann--The guy kicks off and kicks 'em deep, he can punt (has a leg on him), and he can FG kick if Rackers pulls a groin or quad or hammy, etc.

I think Hartmann has the edge, but I've seen Kubiak make calls on roster cuts that left many of us perplexed as to his reasoning. So we'll see.

As far as the ST as a whole? Yeah, it's really bad. It's like those guys are going through the motions. Up until last season, it wasn't like that. Up until last year, the ST was actually a consistent "bright spot" for us. It's gone downhill in a hurry.

The blocking is atrocious. The return guys who return the kicks, they make wrong reads and get hammered quickly. The gunners aren't wrapping up and finishing a tackle. How many times is our punter or kicker making that tackle? I've got it at 2 times thus far, at least. Braman, the LB, made a great stop on a punt return vs. Saints--Other than that, it's been bad.

08-15-2011	#1
Wolf 100% Texan Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kerrville Age: 43 Posts: 35,906 Rep Power: 41330	Special Teams Rackers is Rackers not to impressed with kick return team and kick off coverage.

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Playoffs Subscribed Contributor Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 7,470 Rep Power: 55348	Re: Special Teams Yep. Needs work. Like the Jets idea of being 7 deep for kickoffs.

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Wolf 100% Texan Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kerrville Age: 43 Posts: 35,906 Rep Power: 41330	Re: Special Teams kicking off has a arena football league appeal to it.

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edo783 Site Contributor Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, again. Posts: 7,700 Rep Power: 4640	Re: Special Teams Special teams SUCKED. Horrible tackling and blocking. Fortunately most of the time it will just be a "Set it on the twenty" situation. __________________ De Oppresso Liber

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TimeKiller Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: This giant tree, standing 10,000 ft. high but not reaching the ground. It's roots must hold the sky. Section: 521/Couch Age: 26 Posts: 7,648 Rep Power: 0	Re: Special Teams I gotta say, the rule isn't THAT bad, I mean if you wanna play a return there's a decent chance you get a great starting field on D. Just kick it a little short. For all the offense catering penalties and rules a defensive change to the game is not so bad. Someone will figure out a better way to block this element of the game. Is that someone Joe M?

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Dutchrudder COOL BEANS! Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Houston Section: Fort Kickass Age: 28 Posts: 13,869 Rep Power: 82390	Our returnmen looked terrible. It was like Steve Slaton infected them all with his crappy skills. __________________

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michaelm vox nihili Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Spring, TX Section: 648 Age: 47 Posts: 5,100 Rep Power: 31857	After his first return, my immediate reaction was that Demps is clearly not the answer for the return game. Lots of other potential in camp. I think our future KR is on the current roster, waiting for his chance. __________________ Every time you make a typo, the errorists win.

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Wolf 100% Texan Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kerrville Age: 43 Posts: 35,906 Rep Power: 41330	Re: Special Teams I wasn't impressed again. on a side note, I wonder when the regular season starts, how many kicks will teams run out of the endzone. I am thinking not much.

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BattleRedToro Thread Killer Join Date: Sep 2006 Age: 40 Posts: 2,432 Rep Power: 3988	Re: Special Teams I don't remember who kicked it because the Texans have been trying several players at kicker for kickoffs, but someone kicked a kickoff through the uprights. __________________ "Hey fool, this ain't no football game!" - Mr. T

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Wolf 100% Texan Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kerrville Age: 43 Posts: 35,906 Rep Power: 41330	Re: Special Teams hartman kicked it here is a 90 yarder http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cakCc...eature=related

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Jackie Chiles Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Houston Age: 29 Posts: 1,800 Rep Power: 2325	Re: Special Teams Yeah, Hartman has a boot on him. I wonder if they are asking him to change it up with all the line drive stuff or if he is having trouble squaring it up consistently. I'm leaning towards the former. __________________ "If the bra don't fit, you must acquit"

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BattleRedToro Thread Killer Join Date: Sep 2006 Age: 40 Posts: 2,432 Rep Power: 3988	Re: Special Teams How has Hartman done with his punts compared to Maynard. My hope is that the Texans keep the best punter, and that he is able to takeover the Kickoff duties from Rackers, so long as he has a strong enough leg to be able to consistently kick it out of the endzone. If this happens then we won't have to be so concerned with our poor kickoff coverage team. Of course, that still leaves our punt coverage team as a concern. __________________ "Hey fool, this ain't no football game!" - Mr. T

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08-21-2011	#20
GP Go Texans! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: TEXAS! Posts: 17,747 Rep Power: 50138	Re: Special Teams Maynard's talent is directional punting, such as coffin-cornering those punts inside the 10. And he showed he can do it. If Kubiak feels like his offense is good enough to get out of our own end of the field, and at least near the 50 most of the time, he might go with Maynard for the simple fact that Maynard has shown an ability to pin opponents deep inside their own territory. If he wants to go with OPTIONS, he goes with Hartmann--The guy kicks off and kicks 'em deep, he can punt (has a leg on him), and he can FG kick if Rackers pulls a groin or quad or hammy, etc. I think Hartmann has the edge, but I've seen Kubiak make calls on roster cuts that left many of us perplexed as to his reasoning. So we'll see. As far as the ST as a whole? Yeah, it's really bad. It's like those guys are going through the motions. Up until last season, it wasn't like that. Up until last year, the ST was actually a consistent "bright spot" for us. It's gone downhill in a hurry. The blocking is atrocious. The return guys who return the kicks, they make wrong reads and get hammered quickly. The gunners aren't wrapping up and finishing a tackle. How many times is our punter or kicker making that tackle? I've got it at 2 times thus far, at least. Braman, the LB, made a great stop on a punt return vs. Saints--Other than that, it's been bad. __________________

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