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Old 08-15-2011   #1
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Default The curious case of Benjamin Tate

The running back situation behind Foster intrigues me. Ward seems to have the #2 spot sewn up. After that it gets a little tricky.

By all accounts, Ben Tate is the most talented back up, but songstress he ha shown the least throughout camp. Slaton and obogannya have both been impressive. If the pre season games hold true to training camp observations, what do you do with Ben Tate?

Keep him because of his draft status/ potential? Trade him?

If slaton is looking good again and over his injuries he can produce some big, big plays in this offense. or he could be trade bait.

Would you entertain trades for ward? Would you carry 4 rb's and try to get bo27 onto the practice squad? Gonna be some painful cuts all over the place.
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Keep Ward and Tate, trade Slaton. We can always find another Ogbonnaya.
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Default Re: The curious case of Benjamin Tate

The RB situation should be perfectly clarified during the preseason. It is highly unlikely, IMHO, that we get through camp/preseason without one of the RBs being injured or demonstrating suckage. They can park the injured RB on the PUP list and postpone the decision until sometime in October I believe. Also, I think Tate can still be placed on the practice squad but he may not clear waivers to get there. He was after all a second round pick.
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Default Re: The curious case of Benjamin Tate

This "Denver" offense needs RB numbers, IMO. You see guys go down.

Really looking forward to seeing Tate in action against ones.
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Default Re: The curious case of Benjamin Tate

What was the name of that tight end that they took in the second round that never made it onto the field because he was injured all the time.

Tate's already reminding me of him, but I can't remember his name.
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AGAIN, Tate is going nowhere and its a bit absurd to even speculate otherwise at this point.
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Default Re: The curious case of Benjamin Tate

We are ok with what we have with plenty of time to look for cuts or trades. As others have said, Tate is going nowhere. Due to injury, he has not been able to show anything.
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Default Re: The curious case of Benjamin Tate

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What was the name of that tight end that they took in the second round that never made it onto the field because he was injured all the time.

Tate's already reminding me of him, but I can't remember his name.
Was it Benny Joppru?
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Was it Benny Joppru?

Yes, pretty sure it was....
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Was it Benny Joppru?
Yeah, that's right! Thank you!

Benny Joppru, Ben Tate, damn we gotta quit drafting these fricken Benjamins.
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Yeah, that's right! Thank you!

Benny Joppru, Ben Tate, damn we gotta quit drafting these fricken Benjamins.
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Default Re: The curious case of Benjamin Tate

For those who may have missed it, there is an entire thread on this subject.
Does Ben Tate's Situation remind you of Bennie Joppru ?

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Joppru demonstrated major injuries WITHOUT EVER BEING HIT. He suffered a sports hernia in training camp in '03, reinjured it in minicamp in '04, then tore his right ACL during the first coaching session of the offseason in May 2005.

Tate has had one major injury (caused by a tackle from behind with a violent torque of his ankle), the type of which with proper repair and adequate rehab should allow him to return at about 1 year post injury within 90% of pre-injury performance. This short offseason may prolong the typical rehab and training for that return. But it is realistic to ultimately happen.

Hopefully, the Texans will be patient with his hamstring episode, and allow for adequate rest and rehab before letting him back out there.

Joppru's case was a different animal all together. He could never get back to even practice/contact status throughout his entire professional career.
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Default Re: The curious case of Benjamin Tate

Some folk'll never pull a hammy but then again some folk'll. Come on folks, let's compare hamstring injuries for a RB to that one guy that made Antwaan Molden look like he was made of steel.
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The Texans entered training camp with a crowded backfield, but they’ll likely be down three key running backs in their preseason opener against the New York Jets on Monday night.

Arian Foster, Steve Slaton and Ben Tate are all expected to miss the game because of hamstring injuries. Texans coach Gary Kubiak said on Saturday morning that his team’s running back rotation will consist of Derrick Ward, Chris Ogbonnaya and newly-signed Javarris Williams.

“Tate just hasn’t come along,” Kubiak said. “Everybody thought he could – our trainers, our doctors – but he hasn’t. So, we’ll listen to him. Arian, we’ve been shooting for next week with Arian the whole time.”

Foster wouldn’t have played much anyway, since the Texans’ starters will take only 10-12 snaps against the Jets. But each preseason game could be invaluable to Slaton and Tate, who are fighting for playing time and perhaps a spot on the roster
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I wonder why Kubiak is calling out Tate like he's dogging it........and that's what it seems like? Is there something we don't know?
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I wonder why Kubiak is calling out Tate like he's dogging it........and that's what it seems like? Is there something we don't know?
I've been noticing that as well. Kubiak has been riding Tate like a two bit fair pony. I've not heard GK say many, if any kind words about him. Sure seems as though Tate has made his way into the Coach's doghouse and that's never a good place to be.

Would they even consider cutting a 2nd rounder this early in his career?
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Well, you have to wonder if your roster spot was on the line, would you tough out an injury like a hamstring? I'm sure it could be done but at what point do you stop listening to the player saying 'I'm not ready'? He says no-go but I'm sure Kubiak has seen players tough out a hamstring before, so that's where he sits. Maybe it has something to do with Foster and how they handled him by comparison. Tate might think, "You shut him down for a week no questions asked but I've got the same injury and you expect me to play?"
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Default Re: The curious case of Benjamin Tate

I think it has to do with the fact that he was drafted very high, mixed with OB27 must be really impressing, and now he's got a decision to make, combined that he already missed time last year.

Kubiak needs guys who are going to produce this year. HIS job depends on it possibly.

Also, anyone else curious about the fact that Vickers has been getting some carries in a one back formation? Vickers makes for that big body that Tate would provide to help in short yardage situations.
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Well, you have to wonder if your roster spot was on the line, would you tough out an injury like a hamstring? I'm sure it could be done but at what point do you stop listening to the player saying 'I'm not ready'? He says no-go but I'm sure Kubiak has seen players tough out a hamstring before, so that's where he sits. Maybe it has something to do with Foster and how they handled him by comparison. Tate might think, "You shut him down for a week no questions asked but I've got the same injury and you expect me to play?"
There are different levels of hamstring injuries, some are minor and heal quickly and others do not. If you push an athlete to return too quickly you risk a more serious hamstring tear or additional injuries from compensation patterns. I had a hamstring injury that disappeared with a week of rest and another that took 1 month to semi- heal, I ran with a protective gait and eneded up with a groin pull because of it. I say trade Slaton and let the kid heal properly so we can see what he can do
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I hope it is the reincarnation of benjamin bratt....i mean tate soon......sorry there was thinking of the iron maiden song.........
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Default Re: The curious case of Benjamin Tate

What do you do with Tate if Slaton and/or Ogbonnaya outplay him? Do you cut a 2nd round pick the year after you draft him? Practice squad is unlikely because someone would probably sign him immediately.
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