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Old 08-11-2011   #21
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Anyone else taking him #1 overall in their league?
I still would. I'm kind of liking Ray Rice as a top 2-3 pick. He'll be running behind Leach now!
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The comments about "easy to find a rb to perform in this ZBS" are puzzling. Like who in our existence? DDW, Slaton & Foster. Each had one very good year but our RB spot has been a sucking hole for years. Unfortunately for Arian, Ward looked very good and Tate could be as good if not better over all. I am okay if Smith waits to re-sign him or if it happens tomorrow. Foster is real deal.
I think it's really been an OL thing up until two years ago. Even Slaton's rookie season was more Slaton than the OL.

Now the OL is doing its thang...

Not saying that Foster isn't. Foster is special, put him behind our line & you've got magic.

We would still have a good run game with a Tate, Ward, Slaton line-up, not league leading rusher or #1 running team but probably in the top 10 if not knocking on it.
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Adrian had a great year, noone can take that away from him, he'll get paid if he continues to excel the only problem with Adrian has alway been Adrian himself.

- trouble with off the field fights in college
- dropped completely off the charts in the draft cause of senior season and interview with draft scouts.
- has had a lot of trouble with his knees, knee surgery this year too!
- only player I think I've seen Kubiak bench.. just last year!

With all the issues I can see why they just don't want to dump a huge salary on him..

Adrian who?
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The comments about "easy to find a rb to perform in this ZBS" are puzzling. Like who in our existence? DDW, Slaton & Foster. Each had one very good year but our RB spot has been a sucking hole for years. Unfortunately for Arian, Ward looked very good and Tate could be as good if not better over all. I am okay if Smith waits to re-sign him or if it happens tomorrow. Foster is real deal.
I just look back at the Broncos and Texans during Kubiak's tenure [1995-2005 with Denver and 2006-Present with Houston]:

1. Terrell Davis - 1995-98 - Came in as a rookie 6th round pick and put up 4 straight 1,000+ yd seasons including a 2,000 yd year; 56 total TDs.

2. Mike Anderson - 2000 - Came in as a rookie 6th round pick and put up close to 1,500 yds rushing and 15 TDs.

3. Clinton Portis - 2002-2003 - Rookie 2nd round pick put up 1,500+ yd back to back seasons with 29 total TDs. Subsequently traded for Champ Bailey.

4. Reuben Droughns - 2004 - First season with significant carries. Came in after 4 seasons in the league with a total of 40 rushing attempts. Put up 1,200+ yds rushing.

5. Mike Anderson - 2005 - Kubiak's last year in Denver, Anderson came back from injury and put up 1,000+ yds and 12 TDs

6. Steve Slaton - 2008 - Rookie 3rd round pick put up 1,282 yds and 9 TDs.

7. Arian Foster - 2010 - 1,616 yds rushing and 16 TDs as a "second year" undrafted free agent.


As Offensive Coordinator or Head Coach, Kubiak has had 11 seasons with a 1,000+ yd rusher and 5 seasons without. 3 of those seasons were with Houston in 06/07/09. He's had 4 Rookies put up 1,000 yd+ seasons (two 6th round picks, a 2nd rounder and a 3rd rounder). He's had 1 "4yr veteran" do it in his first year to get more than 30 carries (carries of 6,4,30,0 in previous seasons), and an undrafted free agent (Foster) who did it in his 2nd year in the league and only receiving touches in the last 4 games of his rookie season.
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Didn't he played all of the season with a torn meniscus in his knee?
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The only thing that slows down Foster is the passing game. I really think games were lost last year by Kubiak not running more plays for Arian early in games. It was run him for 5 yrds, pass, pass, punt. He is definitely an elite back in our system who is a threat to break one on any play. He is also a great pass catcher. I agree, if he starts strong, wrap him up for good.
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After listening to Kubes comments yesterday, Tate better get that hammy healthy quick or he may be cut.
Zero chance of that happening.
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I just look back at the Broncos and Texans during Kubiak's tenure [1995-2005 with Denver and 2006-Present with Houston]:

1. Terrell Davis - 1995-98 - Came in as a rookie 6th round pick and put up 4 straight 1,000+ yd seasons including a 2,000 yd year; 56 total TDs.

2. Mike Anderson - 2000 - Came in as a rookie 6th round pick and put up close to 1,500 yds rushing and 15 TDs.

3. Clinton Portis - 2002-2003 - Rookie 2nd round pick put up 1,500+ yd back to back seasons with 29 total TDs. Subsequently traded for Champ Bailey.

4. Reuben Droughns - 2004 - First season with significant carries. Came in after 4 seasons in the league with a total of 40 rushing attempts. Put up 1,200+ yds rushing.

5. Mike Anderson - 2005 - Kubiak's last year in Denver, Anderson came back from injury and put up 1,000+ yds and 12 TDs

6. Steve Slaton - 2008 - Rookie 3rd round pick put up 1,282 yds and 9 TDs.

7. Arian Foster - 2010 - 1,616 yds rushing and 16 TDs as a "second year" undrafted free agent.


As Offensive Coordinator or Head Coach, Kubiak has had 11 seasons with a 1,000+ yd rusher and 5 seasons without. 3 of those seasons were with Houston in 06/07/09. He's had 4 Rookies put up 1,000 yd+ seasons (two 6th round picks, a 2nd rounder and a 3rd rounder). He's had 1 "4yr veteran" do it in his first year to get more than 30 carries (carries of 6,4,30,0 in previous seasons), and an undrafted free agent (Foster) who did it in his 2nd year in the league and only receiving touches in the last 4 games of his rookie season.
Thanks for making my point. In last 5 years 2 RBs got 1k, if it is so easy to do why not one each year? I am not blaming Kubiak just saying that anyone can get a thousand is not happening.
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Foster is the real deal. The owner is just cheap and afraid to make a (good)decision.
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Thanks for making my point. In last 5 years 2 RBs got 1k, if it is so easy to do why not one each year? I am not blaming Kubiak just saying that anyone can get a thousand is not happening.
Yea I did that exercise because I've always heard that but never looked at the year by year production, and by which runningbacks. I'm convinced Denver had a good OL in place which really helped produce 9 thousand yd rushers in kubiak's 11 seasons. Davis obviously a STUD though.

I'm hoping that the crap that was the OL when Kubiak got here, is fixed. I think it took those 1st couple years to get his system in place. Now that it's in place I hope we have that same production here.

I don't think it's a coincidence that all those RBs happened to find instant success their rookie season, or first season with significant carries.
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The texans should give him a new 1-year deal at 5 million and see what happens after that and if he plays well then break bread with the man and stop playing games. The man did lead the NFL in rushing and that isn't easy regardless what system that you play and if you guys have ever played running back then you would know this maaaaan!!!!!
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The texans should give him a new 1-year deal at 5 million and see what happens after that and if he plays well then break bread with the man and stop playing games. The man did lead the NFL in rushing and that isn't easy regardless what system that you play and if you guys have ever played running back then you would know this maaaaan!!!!!
I don't think it's out of the question to see how the 2011 season plays out before handing him a buttload of money. He's given no signs that he wants to hold out, let him showcase himself and then pay him if you want.
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I think he got alot of advice from Jamaal Charles on just being patient with it. I hope he gets it.
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The texans should give him a new 1-year deal at 5 million and see what happens after that and if he plays well then break bread with the man and stop playing games. The man did lead the NFL in rushing and that isn't easy regardless what system that you play and if you guys have ever played running back then you would know this maaaaan!!!!!
Why should a team that's barely under the cap give a player who has had one good (granted - way better than good) year, plays a position with a high injury risk and short career span, has no other options, is not complaining, and can be restricted prior to next off-season's free agency period a $5 Million contract?

I'm thinking (and to be honest - hoping) that between DDW, Steve Slaton, and to a lesser extent Ahman Green that they have learned a thing or two.
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I hope not because B-Tate is B-Yond worthless. When you saw him cry on draft night, you knew he was a wasted pick. The kingh99 rule of predicted greatness number 1 is any player who cries after being drafted is going to be a bust. This is why I am not worried about guys like Watt and Reed. They laughed and expressed pride. Crying implies I've made my contract and I'm set for life. Not good. Not good at all. They need to push this guy and push him hard. He's dead money until they do.
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Thanks for making my point. In last 5 years 2 RBs got 1k, if it is so easy to do why not one each year? I am not blaming Kubiak just saying that anyone can get a thousand is not happening.
Actually we didn't fully employ the zone blocking philosophy here in Houston until the old guy (Alex Gibbs) came down and taught it to our O-line
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Actually we didn't fully employ the zone blocking philosophy here in Houston until the old guy (Alex Gibbs) came down and taught it to our O-line
WHen Gary was hired everyone talked about him bringing the Denver offense (ZBS) with him. I think Gibbs offense was a hybrid or a bit different than Denver's sort of like Wade's 3-4 is different than others.
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WHen Gary was hired everyone talked about him bringing the Denver offense (ZBS) with him. I think Gibbs offense was a hybrid or a bit different than Denver's sort of like Wade's 3-4 is different than others.
At first, we used a hybrid/mix of the zone because of Sherman. When Gibbs came, we went to a more pure version of it. I think it took us a couple of seasons for our o-line to grow into it and then a little bit of time to find the right RBs for it; I don't think Slaton was originally the right guy but I think he's gotten better at the Zone system by watching how Foster and Ward read their blocks.
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Zero chance of that happening.
Yes. Pretty much no concern that he can perform. Concern is if he can stay on the field.
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