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Old 08-07-2011   #1
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It's good that it will be more of a rebuild.............I don't want to recognize much of anything from last year's D.

Phillips tears up Houston's defense, putrid last season.
By Dale Robertson


HOUSTON — Not quite a week into training camp, the Texans’ offense — with all of three new faces — is doing post-graduate level work, even with injuries and illness creating some disruptions.

The defense, on the other hand, is barely finishing freshman orientation. In addition to the upheaval in the locker room, the philosophy and the terminology is new for everyone.

This is what happens when a team plays as ineptly as the Texans did last season, finishing last in pass defense and 29th in points allowed as soaring playoff hopes gave way to a sinking 6-10 reality.

“It’s a whole new defense,” said free-agent acquisition Danieal Manning, a safety acquired from the Chicago Bears.

Adds defensive end Antonio Smith: “The calls are different, and the names of things are different. You have to reteach yourself everything you’ve learned over your entire career. But you’ve got to be open-minded. You can’t resist, because we didn’t have much success last year.”

What’s happening in the Texans’ case is a nearly total, top-to-bottom makeover. Just one position coach, the defensive line’s Bill Kollar, kept his job.

This wasn’t a house cleaning. This was a tear-down.

Bush’s replacement, Wade Phillips, began his NFL coaching career in Houston in 1976. He brought with him the 3-4 defense he first deployed 30 years ago this summer as a rookie coordinator under his father, Bum, in New Orleans.

Asked if the Texans are the toughest rehab project he has yet encountered, Phillips smiled.

“You usually get hired because things weren’t going too well before you got there,” he said. “It’s the same kind of challenge here as everywhere else. I think we started five rookies that first season in New Orleans.”

It appears the Texans will start only one, top draft choice J. J. Watt, at left defensive end. But Mario Williams and Connor Barwin are “rookie” outside linebackers and Glover Quin is a “rookie” strong safety. These are major transitions.

Just ask Quin.

“As a corner, you’re mostly just playing your receiver,” he said. “As a safety, you have to play tight ends, you have to read the run game, you have to read the passing game, you have to cover bigger bodies.”

Defensive tackle Earl Mitchell, in turn, is adjusting to being a full-time nose guard, the fulcrum in the 3-4. And outside linebacker Brian Cushing has moved inside, where he’ll be sharing turf with DeMeco Ryans.

Ryans is coming off a nearly lost season after he tore an Achilles tendon early, while Cushing is still rehabbing from offseason knee surgery.

It could be a while before they’re on the field together, although Cushing is expected to be 100 percent for the season opener.

In the interim, Williams is arguably Phillips’ major individual project as he tries to find another quarterback hunter in the mold of Dallas’ DeMarcus Ware.

“The technique things are different,” said Williams, who has spent a good bit of time studying Ware on film. “I’m really excited, but I’ve got to (pay attention) in the classroom and focus on working on the fundamentals.”

Corner Johnathan Joseph and Manning, although proven veterans worthy of big-dollar contracts, were hardly known to their new teammates — or each other — just a week ago.

“I’m kind of coaching and learning at the same time,” Joseph said.

The former Bengal, Joseph, and the former Bear, Manning, are making a strong impression.

“I can already see that they’re going to be a vocal presence out there as well as a physical one,” cornerback Kareem Jackson said. “It’s going to be exciting.”

And, from a results standpoint, very, very different ... hopefully.


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To me, this has the feel of when the saints brought in gregg williams, overhauled their defense and won the superbowl.

they were accompanied by an a absurdly fight turnover margin that they havent gotten since, but theyve still been really good.

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In the interim, Williams is arguably Phillips’ major individual project as he tries to find another quarterback hunter in the mold of Dallas’ DeMarcus Ware.

“The technique things are different,” said Williams, who has spent a good bit of time studying Ware on film. “I’m really excited, but I’ve got to (pay attention) in the classroom and focus on working on the fundamentals.”

plus there was a quote from Wade somewhere about Mario.. He said he noticed something about when he stood up, he would take a step back first and then go.


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If Phillips can turn the Texans defenders into an effective 3-4 defense by the
time we face Indy in the season-opener, he is for sure a bona fide NFL Defense genius.
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At the risk of being a buzzkill, the fact that the Texans D is being rebuilt and essentially will be starting four rookies should temper expectations, especially for the first quarter of the season when players are still learning their new roles.

A player like Peyton Manning will be licking his chops in anticipation of picking apart an untested defense.
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At the risk of being a buzzkill, the fact that the Texans D is being rebuilt and essentially will be starting four rookies should temper expectations, especially for the first quarter of the season when players are still learning their new roles.

A player like Peyton Manning will be licking his chops in anticipation of picking apart an untested defense.
Probably not a terribly unrealistic view. But, on the other hand, Manning may be left licking his wounds while the Texans D is licking THEIR chop in anticipation of picking apart an untested Painter offense.
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Probably not a terribly unrealistic view. But, on the other hand, Manning may be left licking his wounds while the Texans D is licking THEIR chop in anticipation of picking apart an untested Painter offense.
Good Lord, where've I been? Looks like that neck surgery was pretty significant.

Does anyone know when Manning's target return date is?

Will he definitely miss the first game?
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Good Lord, where've I been? Looks like that neck surgery was pretty significant.

Does anyone know when Manning's target return date is?

Will he definitely miss the first game?
They are discussing our D over in the Colts forum

http://www.colts.com/forums/index.ph...ouston-texans/
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Good Lord, where've I been? Looks like that neck surgery was pretty significant.

Does anyone know when Manning's target return date is?

Will he definitely miss the first game?
And discussing his return here

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At the risk of being a buzzkill, the fact that the Texans D is being rebuilt and essentially will be starting four rookies should temper expectations, especially for the first quarter of the season when players are still learning their new roles.

A player like Peyton Manning will be licking his chops in anticipation of picking apart an untested defense.
JJ Watt, but I don't think any other rookies are starters. Who do you have as rookie starters?
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yeah, where have you been?

Manning, Peyton is currently on the PUP list...
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Officially, there's still no timetable for when Manning might come off the PUP list, but this is obviously a sign that he's getting closer. The Star's Phillip Wilson expects Manning's practice participation to ramp up once the Colts break camp, and does not believe the iron man is in any danger of missing regular season action. Aug 3, 6:42 PM
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JJ Watt, but I don't think any other rookies are starters. Who do you have as rookie starters?
The article in the op mentions that Mario Williams and Connor Barwin are "rookie" outside linebackers and Glover Quin is a "rookie" strong safety. That's why I used the word "essentially."

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The article in the op mentions that Mario Williams and Connor Barwin are "rookie" outside linebackers and Glover Quin is a "rookie strong safety. That's why I used the word "essentially."
I can buy Barwin and Quinn but Mario is a 5 year veteran and we expect him to have a much better season than especially the last season and most of the others.

Even then, I think the difference between starting actual rookies and just moving players to different yet similar spots is pretty wide and large.
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At the risk of being a buzzkill, the fact that the Texans D is being rebuilt and essentially will be starting four rookies should temper expectations, especially for the first quarter of the season when players are still learning their new roles.

A player like Peyton Manning will be licking his chops in anticipation of picking apart an untested defense.
I think some people are making too big a deal about some of the position changes.

Quin is going to be fine at safety, he's a zone CB.... it's not that big of a transition.

Mario has played standing for us on several occasions, he's also dropped into coverage & looked pretty good doing it, plenty of times.

Connor, yeah, he's essentially a rookie.

I think the defense is going to be much better, much sooner than most people think.

Why?

Because those guys want to get out there & get after the ball. Like they did in 2009. Wade is going to let them do that, let them do what they've trained their whole lives to do.

Not that wait & see crap we've played for most of our existence.
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I think some people are making too big a deal about some of the position changes.

Quin is going to be fine at safety, he's a zone CB.... it's not that big of a transition.

Mario has played standing for us on several occasions, he's also dropped into coverage & looked pretty good doing it, plenty of times.

Connor, yeah, he's essentially a rookie.

I think the defense is going to be much better, much sooner than most people think.

Why?

Because those guys want to get out there & get after the ball. Like they did in 2009. Wade is going to let them do that, let them do what they've trained their whole lives to do.

Not that wait & see crap we've played for most of our existence.
Solid post. I absolutely despise "read and react." Please, football gods, let's see some attacking D in Houston!
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At the risk of being a buzzkill, the fact that the Texans D is being rebuilt and essentially will be starting four rookies should temper expectations, especially for the first quarter of the season when players are still learning their new roles.

A player like Peyton Manning will be licking his chops in anticipation of picking apart an untested defense.
Wade mentioned one of his prior teams(New Orleans, I think) started 4 true rookies. I think KJ will benefit from having Joseph and Manning on field. I also think Quin wil be bettwer than safeties we had last season so KJ will be better. Or maybe not.
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At the risk of being a buzzkill, the fact that the Texans D is being rebuilt and essentially will be starting four rookies should temper expectations, especially for the first quarter of the season when players are still learning their new roles.

A player like Peyton Manning will be licking his chops in anticipation of picking apart an untested defense.
Manning will be licking his chops --to get the blood off.
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LMAO, some of these posters make no sense:

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They have those two new CBs, but that's not enough to stop Wayne, Clark, Collie, Garcon, Gonzo, Tamme, White (if needed), Addai...They lost Bernard Pollard which hurts at safety (he was dirty as heck but a good player and hard hitter). I think they'll be better as the season progresses, but not out of the gate. If the Colts actually show up for the opener unlike last year, they win and get off to a good start. The Texans put way too much into last year's opener (Their "Super Bowl") and I think it cost them in the long run as they collapsed after a 4-2 start (I think it was 4-2)
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Better than they were last year, or better than the Colts? No and No. They have to learn a new defense, don't have the talent to consistently stop the Colts offense and it will take more than just Johnson and Foster to outscore the Colts this year. BTW, Foster is starting the season with a hamstring injury. They tend to linger for all you fantasy players planning on him being your guy.
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