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Old 08-04-2011   #61
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I'm hoping Jackson really bounces back this year and benefits from Joseph and Manning. The thing about this fanbase (myself included) is that when a player gets on our 'bad side' it's awfully tough for us to 'forgive' him. Dunta Robinson, a fan favorite, basically turned into public enemy number one. I fear that even if Jackson improves some and becomes a solid #2 corner, it may never be enough for us to forget his rookie season.
Unless he is holding out for money or leaving over a contract issuse ala Dunta, the opposite also tends to hold true. Pollard is a perfect example over this. Cushing played almost as bad as KJ last year, but catches nowhere near the same amount of heat over it.
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TRUE. I cannot think of one player who started that bad who turned out to be pretty good. Not one not on our team anyways.
Matt Schaub anyone? He was doing so poorly that half the city wanted Sage Rosenfels to start against Indy. And then he lost all his support once he evolved into the Rosencopter.

Some guys just take time to learn the position or get the right coaching and given the revolving door of defensive coordinators we have had, I can only hope KJ gets the right instruction this year to turn into at least a decent #2 CB.
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Unless he is holding out for money or leaving over a contract issuse ala Dunta, the opposite also tends to hold true. Pollard is a perfect example over this. Cushing played almost as bad as KJ last year, but catches nowhere near the same amount of heat over it.
Cushing was no where close to being half as bad as K.J was.
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Cushing was no where close to being half as bad as K.J was.
If you say so. The weeks Cush had to play MLB he looked bad, there is a reason they moved him back outside. Or in other words Sharpton played the middle better then Cush.
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IIRC, Jerry Rice and Nnamdi Asomugha didn't have good rookie seasons. Rice dropped a lot of passes. And Nnamdi wasn't even a starter. I'm sure there are a lot of other examples.

With our team? Yeah, not so much. Maybe Arian who has stated publicly that he wasn't doing the right things at the beginning of his rookie season and didn't start to get his head straight until midway through.
It's my opinion that since the Texans have had so little talent and/or depth the first 9 yrs, we've had to rely on higher draft picks to step up and rety to play like superstars from the word go. This is the 1st year where we've been able to even think about red-shirting a lot of our rookies. Watt is about the only one we really, really need to step up this season. If any of the other rooks really shine in camp, they have a shot at starting. If they don't, they can sit back and get coached up.
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May KJ get better by the season opener? Maybe. But continued reports like this are not what I would call encouraging.
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Matt Schaub anyone? He was doing so poorly that half the city wanted Sage Rosenfels to start against Indy. And then he lost all his support once he evolved into the Rosencopter.

Some guys just take time to learn the position or get the right coaching and given the revolving door of defensive coordinators we have had, I can only hope KJ gets the right instruction this year to turn into at least a decent #2 CB.
Schaub wasnt bad his first season with us. I remember his first game him and AJ hooking up for a 70+ yard TD against the Chiefs. I was syked
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Wow KJ is now getting burned by Paul Williams. He wasn't even good enough to stick with the Titans. Not good news.
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In the end, I don't think Wade gives a rats ass where these cats were drafted. Nor do I think he'll take personel advise from anyone not coaching on the defensive side of the ball. I have no doubt that he's going to play the best at the position.

KJ, Allen, Roc, Harris, Mouldon, McCain, etc., I don't think he cares
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Wow KJ is now getting burned by Paul Williams. He wasn't even good enough to stick with the Titans. Not good news.
no surprise what was that WRs name who K. Jac made look like A.J. The guy had like 150 yards receiving and was un heard of until that game, and then not heard of again after that game haha
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no surprise what was that WRs name who K. Jac made look like A.J. The guy had like 150 yards receiving and was un heard of until that game, and then not heard of again after that game haha
Ajirototu. I guess. Or something like that. Paul Williams has a grand total of 7 career receiving yards. Just saying.

edit: It's Seyi Ajiritotu.
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Sad to say but the **** fighting he attended during the offseason sure isnt gonna help him cover recievers
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IIRC, Jerry Rice and Nnamdi Asomugha didn't have good rookie seasons. Rice dropped a lot of passes. And Nnamdi wasn't even a starter. I'm sure there are a lot of other examples.

With our team? Yeah, not so much. Maybe Arian who has stated publicly that he wasn't doing the right things at the beginning of his rookie season and didn't start to get his head straight until midway through.

Rice had a 240-yard game as a rookie. I have no idea how Nnamdi did his first year, but I'd bet a few billion $$ that when he did play he didn't have anything close to the disastrous performances that KJ had.

Again, I don't see how people can make these assumptions that he will be good BECAUSE he was bad his rookie year. It's far more likely that bad players will continue to be bad. Maybe he'll be less bad, but he's got a long long way to go before he becomes a solid starter. The only evidence I've seen on his behalf is that the entire team sucked, and a few clips that show him to not be awful at everything all the time.
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I still want to see kj in a game situation.

I wonder if he's the only player getting burned on occasion or if it's just more noteworthy because he's Kareem.

Kareem was awful last year. From what I'm hearing he's been pretty bad at practice. They are even talking about him getting beat by Williams and Walters at practice.

Kareem is on a very thin leash. I thought he would be able to take the starting spot, but I would not be surprised if he is not even a nickel by the time the season ends. He's just not been that good.

Kareem needs to let his past mistakes go and just play football.
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Rice had a 240-yard game as a rookie.
In the 13th game of the season and it was the first game where he had more than 4 receptions and it was only 1 of 2 games where he had more than 100 yards. He "flashed" at the end of the season but he was inconsistent early on and had a lot of drops.


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I have no idea how Nnamdi did his first year, but I'd bet a few billion $$ that when he did play he didn't have anything close to the disastrous performances that KJ had.

Again, I don't see how people can make these assumptions that he will be good BECAUSE he was bad his rookie year. It's far more likely that bad players will continue to be bad. Maybe he'll be less bad, but he's got a long long way to go before he becomes a solid starter. The only evidence I've seen on his behalf is that the entire team sucked, and a few clips that show him to not be awful at everything all the time.
I don't think people are saying he's going to be good BECAUSE he was bad, people are saying that just because he was bad his first year that doesn't mean he's going to be bad his second year.

If he's going to win the CB2 job, he's got to improve and he's got to WIN the job. And he might do that. Judging from the TC reports, he's not doing that but let's wait until we see him in a preseason game before we close the door on him.
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I am glad that we got some time to practice before stepping onto game 1 field.
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In the 13th game of the season and it was the first game where he had more than 4 receptions and it was only 1 of 2 games where he had more than 100 yards. He "flashed" at the end of the season but he was inconsistent early on and had a lot of drops.




I don't think people are saying he's going to be good BECAUSE he was bad, people are saying that just because he was bad his first year that doesn't mean he's going to be bad his second year.

If he's going to win the CB2 job, he's got to improve and he's got to WIN the job. And he might do that. Judging from the TC reports, he's not doing that but let's wait until we see him in a preseason game before we close the door on him.
If KJ had the cornerback equivalent of a 240-yard game (5 ints?) then he could have fallen down every play of every other game and Texan fans would be erupting in mass orgasms. Heck, even if he had the corner equivalent of a 4-catch game people would be happy.

People do seem to be acting under the assumption that his bad rookie season doesn't matter because bad rookie seasons don't matter. People bring up such and such great player, overstate their rookie year struggles, then use that to suggest KJ will become a good player himself. I'm not giving up on him as a fan, and the team doesn't seem to either, but if you're going to make an assumption then assume the much more likely scenario that he's a bad player whose ceiling is mediocrity.
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