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GP · 08-04-2011

We're going to trot KJ out there as CB2 over and over and over this year.

No matter how bad he does, we're going to let him start at CB2. He was our first round pick, and for some reason first round picks get a pass for their first year or two. In reality, this guy should be a nickel CB at BEST. At worst, he should be cut from the team.

He just doesn't have the reaction and gut instinct skills. Seems like he's over thinking and trying too hard...rather than just going with the flow.

I also think Walter took it easy on him. He's a senior, he doesn't have to embarrass the sophomore. Meanwhile, the UDFA guy most definitely wants to embarrass KJ because he's trying to gain a roster spot for himself.

Nickel back.

**Malloy** · 08-04-2011

Surprised no-one sported to owl yet

dalemurphy · 08-04-2011

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Originally Posted by GP

We're going to trot KJ out there as CB2 over and over and over this year.

No matter how bad he does, we're going to let him start at CB2. He was our first round pick, and for some reason first round picks get a pass for their first year or two. In reality, this guy should be a nickel CB at BEST. At worst, he should be cut from the team.

He just doesn't have the reaction and gut instinct skills. Seems like he's over thinking and trying too hard...rather than just going with the flow.

I also think Walter took it easy on him. He's a senior, he doesn't have to embarrass the sophomore. Meanwhile, the UDFA guy most definitely wants to embarrass KJ because he's trying to gain a roster spot for himself.

Nickel back.

GP, Maybe not. New defensive staff with autonomy. Phillips and company may not operate that way. After all, Okoye has finally been thrown out.

DocBar · 08-04-2011

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Originally Posted by GP

We're going to trot KJ out there as CB2 over and over and over this year.

No matter how bad he does, we're going to let him start at CB2. He was our first round pick, and for some reason first round picks get a pass for their first year or two. In reality, this guy should be a nickel CB at BEST. At worst, he should be cut from the team.

He just doesn't have the reaction and gut instinct skills. Seems like he's over thinking and trying too hard...rather than just going with the flow.

I also think Walter took it easy on him. He's a senior, he doesn't have to embarrass the sophomore. Meanwhile, the UDFA guy most definitely wants to embarrass KJ because he's trying to gain a roster spot for himself.

Nickel back.

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Originally Posted by dalemurphy

GP, Maybe not. New defensive staff with autonomy. Phillips and company may not operate that way. After all, Okoye has finally been thrown out.

I'm gonna hold off on this. Until we see the 3rd preseason game, we very well might not have a clue who's going to be our #2CB. With the lockout, our D staff has only had film to work with. I would think they're trying out every combination they have to see what works.
I agree with GP that KW doesn't have a lot to prove and is probably just trying to work through this without getting injured.

The Pencil Neck · 08-04-2011

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Originally Posted by GP

We're going to trot KJ out there as CB2 over and over and over this year.

No matter how bad he does, we're going to let him start at CB2. He was our first round pick, and for some reason first round picks get a pass for their first year or two. In reality, this guy should be a nickel CB at BEST. At worst, he should be cut from the team.

He just doesn't have the reaction and gut instinct skills. Seems like he's over thinking and trying too hard...rather than just going with the flow.

I also think Walter took it easy on him. He's a senior, he doesn't have to embarrass the sophomore. Meanwhile, the UDFA guy most definitely wants to embarrass KJ because he's trying to gain a roster spot for himself.

Nickel back.

Personally...

KJ isn't Wade's guy. Harris and Carmichael are Wade's guys. I'd be surprised if Harris isn't at least the nickel and possibly the CB2. And I wouldn't be shocked if Carmichael snuck up into the rotation, too.

From what Joseph said, I would expect them to try to protect KJ by putting him into zone coverages when he's on the field to take advantage of those things that KJ did well last season.

UNLESS... KJ improves and excels with the new training. (Which I don't expect.)

I don't expect KJ to be given the CB2.

Wolf · 08-04-2011

DocBar · 08-04-2011

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Originally Posted by wolf

rep!!

CloakNNNdagger · 08-04-2011

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Originally Posted by midgetonadonkey

The problem with that is that this generation of kids doesn't respond well to kicks in the ass. They are so used to positive reinforcement that it's necessary to treat them this way to get the best of out of them.

GOOD JOB!

**HOU-TEX** · 08-04-2011

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Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck

Personally...

KJ isn't Wade's guy. Harris and Carmichael are Wade's guys. I'd be surprised if Harris isn't at least the nickel and possibly the CB2. And I wouldn't be shocked if Carmichael snuck up into the rotation, too.

From what Joseph said, I would expect them to try to protect KJ by putting him into zone coverages when he's on the field to take advantage of those things that KJ did well last season.

UNLESS... KJ improves and excels with the new training. (Which I don't expect.)

I don't expect KJ to be given the CB2.

What's sad is that he was supposedly the most NFL ready CB who was best at bump and run.

GP · 08-04-2011

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Originally Posted by HOU-TEX

What's sad is that he was supposedly the most NFL ready CB who was best at bump and run.

Someone said at a press conference or some sort of media event where Saban was quoted for an article (when a few guys from 'Bama were declaring), that Saban was asked about each guy...and Saban was eerily silent or at least not very vocal--in a positive way--about Kareem Jackson's declaration.

Meaning this: Saban felt KJ wasn't ready to enter the NFL at that time.

Why does this feel like KJ getting cut and then crying to the media like David Carr did? If he is used as a nickel or zone guy, and excels, then fine by me. If that's money to be saved and given to someone else? Fine by me.

I just don't want to see him at CB2. That ship has sailed. This is a dog-eat-dog sports league here, as Bob McNair has finally figured out. Now let's hope that nobody is given anything without truly earning it first (I'm looking at you Okoye).

Errant Hothy · 08-04-2011

Don't get your hope too high

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Kubiak said Kareem Jackson has taken to new DB coach Vance Joseph & looks more comfortable in a system very similar to what he had at 'Bama

GP · 08-04-2011

Faaaantastic. The old "Gotta' protect my 1st round draft pick" game by Kubiak & Company.

(Sigh)

DocBar · 08-04-2011

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Originally Posted by midgetonadonkey

The problem with that is that this generation of kids doesn't respond well to kicks in the ass. They are so used to positive reinforcement that it's necessary to treat them this way to get the best of out of them.

How can you tell if you're getting anything remotely near their best if you can't challenge them or critique them in anything less than a positive manner? I take this as an indictment of our society, no a recommendation for it.

DocBar · 08-04-2011

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Originally Posted by HOU-TEX

What's sad is that he was supposedly the most NFL ready CB who was best at bump and run.

**EllisUnit** · 08-04-2011

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Originally Posted by HOU-TEX

What's sad is that he was supposedly the most ready CB who was best at bump and run.

who said that ? Kubiak our Smith

DocBar · 08-04-2011

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Originally Posted by EllisUnit

who said that ? Kubiak our Smith

Kubiak IIRC

**EllisUnit** · 08-04-2011

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Originally Posted by DocBar

Kubiak IIRC

Well we all know Kubiak knows nothing about Defense our Defensive players

now poor wade has to work with this NFL ready CB

bo orlando · 08-04-2011

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Originally Posted by DocBar

How can you tell if you're getting anything remotely near their best if you can't challenge them or critique them in anything less than a positive manner? I take this as an indictment of our society, no a recommendation for it.

challenging kids is different than kicking them in the ass when they mess up. kicking somebody when they're down is the easiest way to make them not want to do what you're trying to teach them. positive reinforcement is not the same as coddling.

**badboy** · 08-04-2011

As Jackson's biggest critic since he was drafted and as a fan of Harris, I'm still gonna give coaches time to re-train him. We are starting to pile on KJ.

The Pencil Neck · 08-04-2011

I don't think KJ is a lost cause.

But I want to see what Harris and Carmichael can do.

08-04-2011	#21
GP Go Texans! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: TEXAS! Posts: 17,747 Rep Power: 50138	Re: Secondary Getting Extra Attention. We're going to trot KJ out there as CB2 over and over and over this year. No matter how bad he does, we're going to let him start at CB2. He was our first round pick, and for some reason first round picks get a pass for their first year or two. In reality, this guy should be a nickel CB at BEST. At worst, he should be cut from the team. He just doesn't have the reaction and gut instinct skills. Seems like he's over thinking and trying too hard...rather than just going with the flow. I also think Walter took it easy on him. He's a senior, he doesn't have to embarrass the sophomore. Meanwhile, the UDFA guy most definitely wants to embarrass KJ because he's trying to gain a roster spot for himself. Nickel back. __________________

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Malloy Site Contributor Join Date: May 2005 Location: CPH Age: 39 Posts: 5,338 Rep Power: 4056	Re: Secondary Getting Extra Attention. Surprised no-one sported to owl yet __________________ Insanity is my only means of relaxation

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Wolf 100% Texan Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kerrville Age: 43 Posts: 35,906 Rep Power: 41330	Re: Secondary Getting Extra Attention.

08-04-2011	#32
GP Go Texans! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: TEXAS! Posts: 17,747 Rep Power: 50138	Re: Secondary Getting Extra Attention. Faaaantastic. The old "Gotta' protect my 1st round draft pick" game by Kubiak & Company. (Sigh) __________________

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badboy Site Contributor Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Clear Lake Posts: 19,259 Rep Power: 31411	Re: Secondary Getting Extra Attention. As Jackson's biggest critic since he was drafted and as a fan of Harris, I'm still gonna give coaches time to re-train him. We are starting to pile on KJ. __________________ The sound of marine engines and superchargers soon shall fill the air!

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The Pencil Neck Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Age: 51 Posts: 14,570 Rep Power: 49400	Re: Secondary Getting Extra Attention. I don't think KJ is a lost cause. But I want to see what Harris and Carmichael can do.

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