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Old 08-03-2011   #21
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We already love him like he has been here for yrs, the way i see it is you get what you pay for. Now with Vickers, i would be kinda jealous if we didnt pick up Leach. You guys would still have Leach if McClain didnt think he was a RB, The RAVENS are setting up to Beat the Stealers, we all know that. We literally give them games. The sad thing is Stealer fans act like they own us every time we play them which is far from the truth, the difference in scores are with TD almost everytime.(they got away with one in the play off against us thats for sure) Im just hoping we Sweep the Stealers and beat the Colts (we havnt won against the COLTS since 03').
Its funny because last yr was the first time we didnt play the COLTS in a season since i can remember and i feel we could have beat them.

Well lemme say that the Ravens have been my secondary team I root for after my Texans, so yes, I do agree that yall have been handing the steelers some games. I've always hated the Steelers ever since we had the Oilers here so trust me, I love watching BAL-PIT and I have been quite disappointed in some the outcomes...

Also, quick question.. when you say it's obvious you are gearing up to beat PIT by adding Leach.. and with the departure Mason, Heap, TJ.. are you guys beginning to lose a bit of faith in Flacco airing it out and want to focus solely on ground and pound? (bc let's face it, I felt like the playoff collapse was on him) Just curious as a semi-Ravens fan looking for some real insight...
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As a resident of Maryland and a Texans fan, I love Vonta coming to Balt. He's gonna kick a$$ in black and purple.
Yea the softest team in the league loses it two physical players to the Ravens. That should help.
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Yea the softest team in the league loses it two physical players to the Ravens. That should help.
But only one of them was a part of a unit that actually succeeded in doing its job....
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Foster has skill ill give him that but thats all.
What else is required?
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Welcome to the board first off.

Second though, I don't know if you are giving Arian his due. I can't crown him best ever yet, no one can. But I think you are downplaying him IMO.

Vonta was not on the field for every play and he was still just bustin it up.

Also, I was sad to see him go and you guys got a hell of a good plaer there.
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What else is required?
I think he means that's all he's gonna say because he's not here to get into an argument about RBs.
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I think he means that's all he's gonna say because he's not here to get into an argument about RBs.
Yea thats what I took it as
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Ravens fan here, just wanted to say thank you for you boy Vonta Leach.
Eff you Ravens fan.

We love errrrrrrrr, loved Vonta Leach... That said, he's the enemy now!! However, we're certainly glad we didn't overspend for him the way y'all did. Y'all will love him; Dude plays hard every down he's on the field. He levels people! People hurt when he hits. There's a reason @RayLewis congratulated him after our last meeting against the Ravens (last season)!!!
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Don't thank Texans fans, we didn't make that decision. Thank our glorious front office. Hard to see him go. Best of luck with him on your team.
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Don't thank Texans fans, we didn't make that decision. Thank our glorious front office. Hard to see him go. Best of luck with him on your team.
It was probably the right decision regardless of how much it sucks right now.
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It was probably the right decision regardless of how much it sucks right now.
True, plus I just saw that interview/hi-light clip of Vickers and that made it hurt a lot LESS!!!
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I've been going back and looking at some of Arians runs and looking at vickers in Cleveland and I really think we got the better fb.

They didn't use vickers as much, but I saw him make better blocks overall. He was able to get out in front of receivers/returners and make good blocks. His athleticism really allows him to get up on defenders in a hurry at he hits with some good torque.

I watched some of Arians runs and a lot of times he's not even following leach.

I saw a couple pass plays where leach was in the game and leach went out for a route. He served no purpose other than decoy. If it wasn't play action and he was coming wide open he had 0 chance of getting the ball.

Leach's value was tremendously overrated by some. Jmo.

He made a lot of good blocks, but he also got his ass handed to him. There was a of talk about leach on the goal line. Well in this video he got destroyed by one of the jets lb's on the goal line: http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_u...?v=lhQeiBdFTfo

It happens about the 1:30 mark.
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I've been going back and looking at some of Arians runs and looking at vickers in Cleveland and I really think we got the better fb.

They didn't use vickers as much, but I saw him make better blocks overall. He was able to get out in front of receivers/returners and make good blocks. His athleticism really allows him to get up on defenders in a hurry at he hits with some good torque.

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. That's part of the ZBS. It helps draw defenders that direction, opening up cutback lanes.

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I saw a couple pass plays where leach was in the game and leach went out for a route. He served no purpose other than decoy. If it wasn't play action and he was coming wide open he had 0 chance of getting the ball.
He had no chance of being targeted or he drew an LB or S out of their coverage and opened up a bigger pkay down the field?


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I'm tending to agree with this. I would say it would be interesting to see the play calling with a true pass catching threat at FB (Casey) but I know nothing at all about Vickers.

He made a lot of good blocks, but he also got his ass handed to him. There was a of talk about leach on the goal line. Well in this video he got destroyed by one of the jets lb's on the goal line: http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_u...?v=lhQeiBdFTfo Everyone in the NFL gets their ass handed to them on occassion.
It happens about the 1:30 mark.
All things considered, that's understandable.
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I'm happy with Vickers!! He's from Beaumont, lives in Houston irrespective of his Colorado college connection.... (Yes, I see you conspiracy theorists working on the Colorado theory, tip)...

Don't get me wrong Vonta is a beast and I love the way he plays the game (AKA blowing up DL's and LB's), BUT to overpay for a FB is foolish!!! I'll take Vickers in a heartbeat!!!
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Wow. Watching that video reminded me how good Arian foster is. He does some absolutely sick things in that video. Leach on the other hand looked average.

I know that's not the complete package, but you'd think leach would have looked more hammerific on some of Arians best plays. Not the case.
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Ya'll are getting Bernard Pollard too...good luck.
You know what sucks about that ? ..... Pollard is gonna look like a damn All Pro in that scheme.
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Wow. Watching that video reminded me how good Arian foster is. He does some absolutely sick things in that video. Leach on the other hand looked average.

I know that's not the complete package, but you'd think leach would have looked more hammerific on some of Arians best plays. Not the case.
I wouldn't call Leach "average"... However I would say that he did things that a few FB's could do nearly equally as well, thus down grading his importance on the "O"!!!
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Are people in Baltimore still pissed about the Colts leaving in the middle of the night?

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All things considered, that's understandable.
I know all about the zbs. I ran it for 4 years in HS and 4 years in college.

But the point you are making even further diminishes the importance if the fb on running plays in our scheme.

As far as him going out on routes, he had 0 chance of catching the ball. He was easy to guard and cluttered things up when he ran his little hooks in the middle of the field. No safeties bit up on him and no lb's went out of their way to cover him. In fact they tended to hold him loosely. They had him covered but they were able to help on other routes.

Probably the least scary route runner to run a route last year. Well not probably. Definitely.
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I know all about the zbs. I ran it for 4 years in HS and 4 years in college.

But the point you are making even further diminishes the importance if the fb on running plays in our scheme.

As far as him going out on routes, he had 0 chance of catching the ball. He was easy to guard and cluttered things up when he ran his little hooks in the middle of the field. No safeties bit up on him and no lb's went out of their way to cover him. In fact they tended to hold him loosely. They had him covered but they were able to help on other routes.

Probably the least scary route runner to run a route last year. Well not probably. Definitely.
Did someone have to cover him? Besides, he was a LOT cheaper than Reggie Bush as far as decoys go....
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