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Old 07-29-2011   #21
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I was thinking about this.

I'm good with our secondary now. It would be nice to pick up another CB in FA but it's not a necessity at all.

I'd like an experienced 3-4 OLB but I'm kinda OK with what we have. My biggest concern is Mario. I see him as a great 3-4 DE more than an OLB.

I'm worried about our ILBs because I don't expect Demeco to come back at even 80%. I'd like to get one or two ILBs.

DEs... I like Smith and Watt to start. I like this even better with Mario in the rotation. I wouldn't mind another guy here.

I don't have a great feeling about NT. I'd like to pick up a "real" 3-4 NT.

And, as was stated by michaelm, I wouldn't be surprised to see Mario traded. He's going into the last year of his contract and he's probably going to be happier as a 4-3 DE. We could get an experienced 3-4 OLB and a good NT and shore up this defense. (And maybe throw in a great WR for the O.)
Would we not have recieved better offers for Mario prio to draft or putting him on marlet at beginning of free agemcy?
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I get what you're saying, but comparing Mario to DeMarcus Ware as a OLB is complete fail.
Mario's skill set is different that Ware's.
Ware is way more fluid, has better change of direction, and is probably both quicker, and faster than Mario. Ware is a much more natural fit at OLB, which is kinda my point. Ware is also relentless, which is not a word I've ever heard associated with Mario.
How is it "complete fail" when they'll both play the exact same position in the exact same defensive scheme? They will play it slightly differently, but they still fall in the category of rush the passer by beating the offenses left tackle.

The concept that Mario will stand up and move a pace to the outside corner (only on run downs) gets way overblown IMO.

This is kind of like comparing Schaub to Peyton Manning, and saying he'll be no good at QB--we should trade him. That's why I asked, Who would you replace him with?
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I can understand why people think mario can "fit" at OLB, but his value is clearly as a 4-3 DE.
4-3 DEs have tremendous value in the NFL, and we happen to not need one at this time.
I say the only way to truly maximize Mario's value is by trading him, and turning that value into players that fit the 3-4 better, or draft picks. Along with players and/or picks, the Texans get cap relief.
It's very much a win-win-win scenario for the Texans, Mario, and any team in need of a pass rushing 4-3 DE, which is a lot of teams out there.


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As far as the cap relief part of this deal, I may or may not be correct. Depending on how Mario's contract is structured, it is possible that there might be a cap hit if he is traded, i suppose.

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Trade him before seeing what he can do in this defense? Hell no.

Sure Ware is more fluid and quicker, but we have a actual DC now. Not a guy who just plugs a player into a spot and hopes everything goes well. A guy who will put each player in their right position and have them play to their strengths.

If he doesn't ONE bad year is not going to hurt his stock.
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Why would you want cap relief by trading your one proven pass-rusher? Go to youtube and watch a Cowboy's game and watch DeMarcus Ware play some regular snaps. I think you'll come away feeling better about Mario playing that role. On first and second downs he stands up, but still rushes the vast majority of the time. On third down, he goes right back to DE in the nickle.

Someone had suggested replacing him with Manny Lawson from the 49ers. How could you see value in a guy who's career sack total (14) equals Mario's best year? What player that's available now would you replace him with?

BTW look at Charles Johnson (the FA DE who got huge money) stat's compared to Mario's.
Add in we play the Colts twice and the Jags arent exactly known for lighting up the air. Im good wih Mario going after the QB. It being his contract year I am expecting beast mode Mario to show up.
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Would we not have recieved better offers for Mario prio to draft or putting him on marlet at beginning of free agemcy?
Maybe, maybe not. There may be teams that didn't get the pass rusher they wanted in the draft and there's not a FA DE of Mario's caliber out there.

I don't expect them to trade him. But it's an intriguing option.

Like I said, though, that's thinking about Mario as an OLB. I'd prefer to see him at DE in the 3-4. I think he could be an amazing 3-4 DE and I'd hate to lose him.
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That's a really really good looking line up. My biggest concern is up the middle. How well will Mitchell/Cody play the Nose on 1st and 2nd downs. Will Demeco regain form or will he and Cushing be run at alot? I can see a lot of teams pounding it at us right up the gut.

One thing Barwin said about transitioning to OLB that I hadn't thought about was how "less tiring" it was. As a DE your down in a 3 point stance straining for a long time presnap waiting to explode... Peyton uses the whole playclock so being down there like that the whole game gets really tiring if its 20 seconds a play. And you can't let up too much because he'll catch you off guard. As an OLB he'll be standing up and that's much easier on the legs. 4th quarter they won't be as tired. Just an interesting little tidbit.
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DE-JJ Watt
(6'5 290)

NT- Earl Mitchell
(6'3 291)

DE- Antonio Smith
(6'4 275)

OLB/DE- Mario Williams
(6'6 285)

ILB- Brian Cushing
(6'3 259)

ILB- Demeco Ryans
(6'1 248)

OLB- Connor Barwin
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CB- Kareem Jackson
(5'10 195)

CB- Johnathan Joseph
(5'11 190)

FS- Glover Quinn
(6'0 203)

SS- Danieal Manning
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I'm going to rep you just because your more up to date than the official Texans website http://www.houstontexans.com/team/depth-chart.html

LDE, Antonio Smith, Tim Jamison

DT, Amobi Okoye, Earl Mitchell

DT, Shaun Cody, Damione Lewis

RDE, Mark Anderson, Jarvis Green

OLB1, Brian Cushing, Xavier Adibi

MLB, Kevin Bentley, Stanford Keglar

OLB2, Zac Diles,

LCB, Glover Quin, Brice McCain, Sherrick McManis

RCB, Kareem Jackson, Jason Allen, Antwaun Molden

SS, Bernard Pollard, Quintin Demps

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Check my sig.

We've got some answers at least instead of some....."well this SHOULD work/be ok" kind of set up.

Pass rush oughtta be sick. Sending 4 plain jane or all 7 coming hot, I believe they've got the guys to get to anyone. Speed to the edges too, any decent running attempts will be up the middle where hopefully Demeco will be janitor deluxe cleaning that shit up! There is a weakness up the middle but with the improved front 7 and my goodness, what seems on paper to be a REAL NFL secondary? There shouldn't be a whole helluva lot of time to throw. We may see a team or two break the D and run it all over them but honestly, I'm excited to see what this D can do because it sounds an awful lot like raising hell. And I'm a man who enjoys hell raising.
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Check my sig.

We've got some answers at least instead of some....."well this SHOULD work/be ok" kind of set up.

Pass rush oughtta be sick. Sending 4 plain jane or all 7 coming hot, I believe they've got the guys to get to anyone. Speed to the edges too, any decent running attempts will be up the middle where hopefully Demeco will be janitor deluxe cleaning that shit up! There is a weakness up the middle but with the improved front 7 and my goodness, what seems on paper to be a REAL NFL secondary? There shouldn't be a whole helluva lot of time to throw. We may see a team or two break the D and run it all over them but honestly, I'm excited to see what this D can do because it sounds an awful lot like raising hell. And I'm a man who enjoys hell raising.
Penetration can disrupt the running game up the middle.
The question to me is on short yardage situation, where it's better to push a guy or two backward.
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How is it "complete fail" when they'll both play the exact same position in the exact same defensive scheme? They will play it slightly differently, but they still fall in the category of rush the passer by beating the offenses left tackle.

The concept that Mario will stand up and move a pace to the outside corner (only on run downs) gets way overblown IMO.

This is kind of like comparing Schaub to Peyton Manning, and saying he'll be no good at QB--we should trade him. That's why I asked, Who would you replace him with?
I used the term complete fail to describe comparing the players to each other. I realize that the position is the same, but IMO, the players are so different from each other that the comparison fails there.
You used Ware as a direct comparison to Mario to illustrate why Mario can be successful at the position. I just think the players are different enough physically, and by skill set, that it's not an apples to apples comparison.

I think when all is said and done, it will be obvious that Mario is a far better 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB, and that his talent is not going to be utilized to it's fullest extent at that position.
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I think when all is said and done, it will be obvious that Mario is a far better 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB, and that his talent is not going to be utilized to it's fullest extent at that position.
I would tend to agree with that but try this on for size. I think Mario can be far better in how Wade Phillips will be using him than he has been in years past.

You're right though, as a standard 3-4 OLB in a 'normal' 3-4 defense, I would not feel comfortable with Mario there full time. But that's not how Mario will be used. He will be used the same way Ware is used and I think he will be successful.
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Don't think of Mario as a olb. Think of him as a stand up de.

He's going to have a great year. There will be no runs in his vicinity. He will kill rushing the passer.

Top seven defense this year.
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Our NT is about the same size as our rookie DE.

Antonio Garay 6'4'' 320 LBs
Casey Hampton 6'1'' 325 LBs
B.J. Raji 6'2'' 337 LBs
Kris Jenkins 6'5'' 360 LBs
Paul Soliai 6'4'' 355 LBs
Haloti Ngata 6'4'' 350 LBs

^That is the list of NT who plays in the 3-4 and their defense are a top 10 Defense.

Earl Mitchell 6'3'' 291 LBs

And I don't think KJ should be starting as the #2CB right away, Jason Allen should be unless proven otherwise. Then KJ for nickel and BHarris for dime. But other than that, I'm fine w/ the depth chart.
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Any defense that has Kareem Abdul Jackson is a complete fail imo. That guy couldn't cover his great grandmother using a walker.

That spot will get picked on 80% of the time or better and why not. Hell, I would throw to his spot 100% of the time. Hell, one out of 100 throws he might make a play. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

I'm also VERY worried about our LB situation. At ILB, I doubt that Ryans is the player he was prior to injury. Then with Cushing, unless he is roided up he plays closer to Brian Cushion than Brian Cushing. He was softer than downey tissue last yr. Sure, he is good when juicing. When not, he is JAG.

On the outside, Barwin is coming off injury and more raw than a baby with a diaper rash, and Un-Super Mario is making a position change and is generally about as motivated as a homeless man living under a bridge.

I am high on Brooks Reed. I like his future a lot, but he is a rookie and he could be very good as a rookie, or he might just be the guy that needs a little seasoning before he puts it together. And it doesn't help that he is a rookie on a team changing D, with no practice time, no OTA's etc to get aquainted.

I am pretty psyched about Watt, but we don't have a NT imo. Cody and Mitchell are imposters. These guys are about as much NT as I am.

Obviousely, I love the draft picks and the two guys we picked up in FA, but I just feel we are a long ways away from being a good D. I hope I am wrong. My biggest concern is KJ. I think he stinks, and that is putting it lightly and any D with him as a starter is going to have major suckitude. I would trade him for a package of twinkies and a Dr Pepper.
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I see not a single hole in the Texans top 11 defenders ..... That almost looks like an Allstar lineup .... Im praying to the good LORD above we dont have any significant injuries.


Joseph + Manning > Aso + nobody.
Jackson an allstar?


No but really, with a small NT and a MLB coming off a major injury, I'm worried about teams killing us up the middle. We really need to take a look at a bigboy there to keep OG's off Demeco who is not a big guy anyway. Has anyone picked up Cullen Jenkins or Aubrayo Franklin yet?
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Has anyone picked up Cullen Jenkins or Aubrayo Franklin yet?
No. And Brandon Mebane is still out there, too.
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No but really, with a small NT and a MLB coming off a major injury, I'm worried about teams killing us up the middle. We really need to take a look at a bigboy there to keep OG's off Demeco who is not a big guy anyway. Has anyone picked up Cullen Jenkins or Aubrayo Franklin yet?
Unless demeco has lost weight he is pretty big.

But I agree that we need to find a big boy.

I would not be upset if we traded Antonio, Walter and slaton plus picks for Vincent Jackson.

And then sign a nt, de and ilb.

I can dream right.
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Unless demeco has lost weight he is pretty big.

But I agree that we need to find a big boy.

I would not be upset if we traded Antonio, Walter and slaton plus picks for Vincent Jackson.

And then sign a nt, de and ilb.

I can dream right.
Not saying he's a runt but at 248 lbs he doesn't need to be taking on OG's. Thats what is going to be happening on most running plays if Mitchell is our starting DT. If we trade Antonio who do you start in his place?
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Not saying he's a runt but at 248 lbs he doesn't need to be taking on OG's. Thats what is going to be happening on most running plays if Mitchell is our starting DT. If we trade Antonio who do you start in his place?
There are quite a few nt's and 34 DES out there.
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I share your concerns, Porky. But I think the beauty of it is that we don't need to necessarily have an ELITE defense to be very, very good.
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