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Old 11-29-2011   #201
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Right. Which was part of my point. One can snap a photo of a QB at any point in his throwing motion and you can see what looks like he's throwing from his ear hole, like the Marino photo.

But scope Yates below as he relases the ball.



Regardless, the solid attributes you listed above are nice. Those balls had a comet's tail on them. But also, a low release or not (which I don't think he has), that double pump on the pass to OD (though it was incomplete), shows the presence of mind he has with a lineman jumping in front of his face.

One can only hope we don't see too many batted balls.

Edit: BTW, what's with the tea-sippin' pinky thing Yates has going on with his non-throwing hand in both photos? Maybe we are truly screwed!
Does anyone know how Schaub's release compares? He's had a number of balls batted at the line of scrimage, though perhaps this is a result of his banged-up shoulder and hip?
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So if that`s the case, we should get a high draft pick next season - or have a good QB in Yates. I wouldn`t sell the bank this year because the price would be too high. There never is a guarantee and lots of QBs end up being a disappointment (remember when Alex Smith was the safe pick with serious doubts about Aaron Rodgers?). So just go with it this year, find out at which position we draft and then look at our future. Im pretty sure we`ll have Schaub back before the start of next season. He might not be as mobile... well he never was mobile.

But I like the thought of a young promising franchise QB sitting a year or two behind Schaub. Maybe we should trade with Indy for Luck ;-)
I thought Leinart looked fine. Not earth shattering, ground breaking, or a world beater, but if you remember the two weeks before, we weren't expecting him to try to prove crap.... just manage the game. & he did.

I don't expect him to play "that way" forever, just until he's comfortable with the players around him @game speed.

If TJ isn't the answer, Leinart gets another shot until Schaub is ready to go.

As has been said before, Rick Smith, GK, Dennison, Wade, Cal, & Bob should evaluate the team and address holes & needs as they see fit. If they feel QB requires a first, second, or third round pick, so be it.
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I believe in Yates! Remember this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q9cx...eature=related
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I thought Leinart looked pretty terrible. I thought he was way too tentative. But he did look pretty good on that TD pass... AND... as bad as he looked, we put up 17 points in less than a half with him at the helm against a team that held us to 24 in a full game earlier in the season.

He didn't get a lot of yards and the ypa was fer ****, but it was efficient.

I think we're going to need more production from the QB spot against better teams. But I could be wrong. We could make this work like the Broncos are making their situation work.
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Something I really liked hearing was that TJ Yates was the guy throwing Andre balls during rehab. He threw a LOT to AJ.

So they should have some chemistry.
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Ive just done a litte research since I don`t know much about college football... it seems like there are 4 potential franchise QBs in the next draft (Luck, Barkley, Griffin and Jones) - all of which should go between 1 and 11. The next QB has a 3d round grade (Tannehill).

So if we want one of the big 4 we need to get at least a top 10 pick. With us probably picking in the 20s, that will be expensive - think Falcons in the last draft. Would you really be willing to give up that much for a potential franchise QB? Think about it, the alternative is going with Schaub (or Yates if he has a kick ass year) - and using all those picks you saved to fill the holes of your team. Maybe get Floyd to fix the WR problem, Ta`amu to fill the NT problem or DeCastro to get a kick ass O-Line. And that`s only the first round.

Id say no matter how bad Yates play - if Schaub gets healthy, only take a QB if one of the big 4 falls below #15. Otherwise just take bpa...
Im sorry but 4 potential Franchise QBs ???? Really ? How many top 10 QBs come out of the NFL draft and actually become successful ? Heres a list that might ring a bell as potential Franchise College QBs.

2002

1st round 1st pick David Carr - NO
1st round 3rd pick Joey Herrington - NO

4th round 108th pick David Garrard - Better than the 2 first rounders

2003

1st round 1st pick Carson Palmer - He was ok
1st round 7th pick Byron Leftwich - He was ok
1st round 19th pick Kyle Boller - NO
1st round 22nd pick Rex Grossman - NO

2004

this was by far the best QB draft class of the century with
Eli Manning
Philip Rivers
Big Ben
all going in the top 15.

then you have
3rd round 90th pick Matt Schaub - YES

2005

1st round 1st pick Alex Smith - Been a bust until this season so its iffy

then

1st round 24th pick Aaron Rogers - YES
1st round 25th pick Jason Campbell - ????

then

4th round 106th pick Kyle Orton - sorta
6th round 213th pick Derek Anderson - Took the browns to the play-offs
7th round 230th pick Matt Cassel - YES
7th round 250th pick Ryan Fitzpatrick - started the bills off 5-0 not bad

2006

1st round 3rd pick Vince Young - NO
1st round 10th pick Matt Leinart - NO

then

2nd round 64th pick Tavaris Jackson - Not looking to terrible

2007

1st round 1st pick Jamarcus Russell - HELL NO
1st round 22nd pick Brady Quinn - NO

then

2nd round 36th pick Kevin Kolb - Jurys still out

2008

1st round 3rd pick Matt Ryan - YES
1st round 18th pick Joe Flacco - YES

2009

1st round 1st pick Matthew Stafford - So far yes
1st round 5th pick Mark Sanchez - Nothing special
1st round 17th pick Josh Freeman - Hes a starter

2010

1st round 1st pick Sam Bradford - Looks good
1st round 25th pick Tim Tebow - they are winning but wont for long with him


2011

well we all know those results.

NOW undrafted QBs

Kurt Warner - YES
Jeff Carcia - had success
WARREN MOON - Enough said
Tony Romo - ewwww


So you tell me, what are the odds we will find a franchise QB in the 1st round ??? How about we give yates a shot surely he has just as good of a chance as that no name 7th round pick tom brady. Sorry but this list is proff that the scouts and "experts" and college stats are wrong more times than not.

So heres to our new starter Yates
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Repped. Thanks for posting that.

He looked the way a field general is supposed to look.

I [heart] TJ Yates!
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Perhaps a better way to look at it is to take a look at the current top 10 QBs by Rating this season:

1. Aaron Rodgers -- 1st round
2. Tom Brady -- 6th round
3. Drew Brees -- 2nd round
4. Tony Romo -- UDFA
5. Matt Schaub -- 3rd round
6. Eli Manning -- 1st round
7. Ben Roethlisberger -- 1st round
8. Alex Smith -- 1st round
9. Matthew Stafford -- 1st round
10. Matt Ryan -- 1st round

In the past 12 years, there have been 32 QBs taken in the first round. 6 of them are highly ranked right now.

Drafting a QB in the first round is a crap shoot.
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Im sorry but 4 potential Franchise QBs ???? Really ? How many top 10 QBs come out of the NFL draft and actually become successful ? Heres a list that might ring a bell as potential Franchise College QBs.

2002

1st round 1st pick David Carr - NO
1st round 3rd pick Joey Herrington - NO

4th round 108th pick David Garrard - Better than the 2 first rounders

2003

1st round 1st pick Carson Palmer - He was ok
1st round 7th pick Byron Leftwich - He was ok
1st round 19th pick Kyle Boller - NO
1st round 22nd pick Rex Grossman - NO

2004

this was by far the best QB draft class of the century with
Eli Manning
Philip Rivers
Big Ben
all going in the top 15.

then you have
3rd round 90th pick Matt Schaub - YES

2005

1st round 1st pick Alex Smith - Been a bust until this season so its iffy

then

1st round 24th pick Aaron Rogers - YES
1st round 25th pick Jason Campbell - ????

then

4th round 106th pick Kyle Orton - sorta
6th round 213th pick Derek Anderson - Took the browns to the play-offs
7th round 230th pick Matt Cassel - YES
7th round 250th pick Ryan Fitzpatrick - started the bills off 5-0 not bad

2006

1st round 3rd pick Vince Young - NO
1st round 10th pick Matt Leinart - NO

then

2nd round 64th pick Tavaris Jackson - Not looking to terrible

2007

1st round 1st pick Jamarcus Russell - HELL NO
1st round 22nd pick Brady Quinn - NO

then

2nd round 36th pick Kevin Kolb - Jurys still out

2008

1st round 3rd pick Matt Ryan - YES
1st round 18th pick Joe Flacco - YES

2009

1st round 1st pick Matthew Stafford - So far yes
1st round 5th pick Mark Sanchez - Nothing special
1st round 17th pick Josh Freeman - Hes a starter

2010

1st round 1st pick Sam Bradford - Looks good
1st round 25th pick Tim Tebow - they are winning but wont for long with him


2011

well we all know those results.

NOW undrafted QBs

Kurt Warner - YES
Jeff Carcia - had success
WARREN MOON - Enough said
Tony Romo - ewwww


So you tell me, what are the odds we will find a franchise QB in the 1st round ??? How about we give yates a shot surely he has just as good of a chance as that no name 7th round pick tom brady. Sorry but this list is proff that the scouts and "experts" and college stats are wrong more times than not.

So heres to our new starter Yates
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Im sorry but 4 potential Franchise QBs ???? Really ? How many top 10 QBs come out of the NFL draft and actually become successful ?
That`s why I said "potential". Those are guys that teams will be comfortable with spending really high draft picks on - guys that they hope will be their franchise QB. Of those 4 probably not more than 1-2 guys will be a starter in 4 years, while the others might be out of the league or backups.

Actually you made my point. It is way to expensive to trade up to get one of those guys - you have no guarantee that they work out. Actually I guess more than 50% of the QBs in the first round don`T live up to their potential.

So just stay put at the draft or move up a couple of spot to get a player you really like (Floyd?). But don`t give away a bunchload of picks for one of those QBs.
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Excellent, thanks man.

The dude looked like he had no fear. He came in and showed balls. I just hope Kubiak doesn't dumb it down, and not at least try and get some medium range (10-15 yards) passes off.
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That`s why I said "potential". Those are guys that teams will be comfortable with spending really high draft picks on - guys that they hope will be their franchise QB. Of those 4 probably not more than 1-2 guys will be a starter in 4 years, while the others might be out of the league or backups.

Actually you made my point. It is way to expensive to trade up to get one of those guys - you have no guarantee that they work out. Actually I guess more than 50% of the QBs in the first round don`T live up to their potential.

So just stay put at the draft or move up a couple of spot to get a player you really like (Floyd?). But don`t give away a bunchload of picks for one of those QBs.
i say we see how yates does before we worry about drafting a guy, we may be looking at our future superbowl MVP as we speak !
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excellent, thanks man.

The dude looked like he had no fear. He came in and showed balls. I just hope kubiak doesn't dumb it down, and not at least try and get some medium range (10-15 yards) passes off.
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i say we see how yates does before we worry about drafting a guy, we may be looking at our future superbowl MVP as we speak !
This^(except for superbowl mvp. That's for AJ)

I don't think we draft a qb if yates doesn't do well. He would have to be grossman bad. And yates and leinart proved they are not grossman bad. Remember last year when grossman filled in for schaub and screwed that game for us? Leinart and Yates both showed they are better than that and he is starting else where.

Also, kubiak and smith have shown they stick with their guys. And their guys get second chances. Jacoby, Kareem, Slaton, and more if I think about it enough.

Next draft we don't draft a QB in the first round. Kubiak will go with Yates or Leinart depending on how Yates will do because Schaub will be on the PUP.
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At the 4:01 mark, two things: One good, one bad.

1.) Now that's an NFL QB footwork! Better than Lienart by far.

2.) He was staring down a covered Jacoby Jones and didn't even look to his left at a wide open KW. Granted, it was man and they brought the blitz, so the pocket collapsed in a hurry, but he never looked left.

a.) I hate it, but it could have very well been one of those "1-read" plays the Texans are so fond of sporting, i.e. AJ wide left and KW in the slot as decoys and you're banking on a favorable matchup one-on-one to the right.

b.) Or...well, he just didn't look left.
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At the 4:01 mark, two things: One good, one bad.

1.) Now that's an NFL QB footwork! Better than Lienart by far.

2.) He was staring down a covered Jacoby Jones and didn't even look to his left at a wide open KW. Granted, it was man and they brought the blitz, so the pocket collapsed in a hurry, but he never looked left.

a.) I hate it, but it could have very well been one of those "1-read" plays the Texans are so fond of sporting, i.e. AJ wide left and KW in the slot as decoys and you're banking on a favorable matchup one-on-one to the right.

b.) Or...well, he just didn't look left.
It would help of you can tell us the down and distance and the game clock.
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You mean they've got that in the NFL?

1st and goal at the 6 yard line, 0:41 to play in the half. It's where they called Yates for intentional grounding.

Some could argue that he could have even scooted to his left to get a better angle at KW. But that's armchair quarterbacking for you, especially if you are viewing it in slow-mo.
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You mean they've got that in the NFL?

1st and goal at the 6 yard line, 0:41 to play in the half. It's where they called Yates for intentional grounding.

Some could argue that he could have even scooted to his left to get a better angle at KW. But that's armchair quarterbacking for you, especially if you are viewing it in slow-mo.
Originally, there was a CB on Walter (30 Coleman - who came in on a blitz after chipping Walter to buy the safety a little time) and a safety over the top to help on either AJ or Walter.
IMO, Yates made the right decision to go with single coverage on JJ.
He saw the LBin the passing lane, however, and decided to try to get out toward the sideline, but couldn't, and so he threw the ball away.

He could have stayed in the pocket, but I think, as a rookie, he's probably taught to try to extend the play by rolling out, and if he can't, to just throw the ball away.

Sidenote (to SteelBlue I think), Yates was inside the tackle box and therefore the right call was intentionally grounding.
The tackle box is defined as the areas between the OTs pre-snap.
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Perhaps a better way to look at it is to take a look at the current top 10 QBs by Rating this season:

1. Aaron Rodgers -- 1st round
2. Tom Brady -- 6th round
3. Drew Brees -- 2nd round
4. Tony Romo -- UDFA
5. Matt Schaub -- 3rd round
6. Eli Manning -- 1st round
7. Ben Roethlisberger -- 1st round
8. Alex Smith -- 1st round
9. Matthew Stafford -- 1st round
10. Matt Ryan -- 1st round

In the past 12 years, there have been 32 QBs taken in the first round. 6 of them are highly ranked right now.

Drafting a QB in the first round is a crap shoot.
Still looks like your chances of getting a "Starting QB" are better with 1st rounders.
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Kind of a silly question; Does TJ get any kind of increase in pay going from 3rd to 1st team?
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