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Old 07-18-2011   #1
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5 Vick/Jackson
4 Ryan/White
3 Manning/Wayne
2 Brady/Welker
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probably the in me, but I thought Johnson/Schaub would be atleast #5 or 4

they mention them at the end of the clip... now they look at team success as part of the list
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How are Matt Ryan and Roddy White or Vick & Jackson considered to be better than Schaub & AJ? Ridiculous.

Manning & Wayne should have been #1.
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6: Palmer/Polamalu
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Vick and Jackson have played 1 year together. Ryan and White is ridiculous. Matt Ryan is not a very good player. He checks down every play and they were last in the league in plays more than 20 yards because of him. He gets the golden boy treatment for no reason.

Like the top 100, this is more evidence that Schaub just does not command respect around the league.
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So appearantly leading the league in receptions or yards no longer qualifies as a top 5 combo!
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So appearantly leading the league in receptions or yards no longer qualifies as a top 5 combo!
Well to be fair, this list is just Kurt Warner and Torry Holt's combined opinion. It doesn't really mean all that much, but the NFL channel has a lot of time to fill during this lockout.
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Well to be fair, this list is just Kurt Warner and Torry Holt's combined opinion. It doesn't really mean all that much, but the NFL channel has a lot of time to fill during this lockout.
To continue to be fair, Warner stressed that helping your team win was a big part of the ranking process, which AJ and Schaub haven't done.
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To continue to be fair, Warner stressed that helping your team win was a big part of the ranking process, which AJ and Schaub haven't done.
Which to continue to continue to be fair is kind of BS because how does he know the Texans wouldn't have won 25 less games over the last 5 years without that combo? Overall record shouldn't be the indicator. Differential record should be. What would happen if these one or two players were gone. Manning is clearly #1. Brady while great is questionable since he left and the team barely noticed. Saying Schaub and AJ haven't helped their team is absurd.
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You guys acting like Matt Ryan and Roddy WHite being on there as some sort of problem are out of your minds. Roddy White is barely behind AJ and I'd take Matt Ryan over Scahub any day of the week. For someone to say that Ryan isn't even any good is just asinine. The kid has only played in 3 seasons and in two of them had one of the best records in the entire NFC and has shown great leadership right off the bat and he went to a team that was awful when he got there. Roddy White has been lighting it up for years now and him and Ryan have been easily one of the best combos in the league.

I'd put

1. Manning/Wayne
2. Ryan/White
3. Schaub/Johnson
4. Brady/Welker
5. Rodgers/Jennings

Manning and Wayne are easily #1 here for the simple fact that they've been a great combo for way more years than anyone else on this list.

Brady and Welker would be higher, but White, Johnson, and Wayne are all that much better than Welker so they get bumped higher.

Ryan and White go higher than Schaub and Johnson to me because Roddy White is just a hair behind AJ as a receiver. He arguably had a better season than AJ last year as well. Matt Ryan has has led his team to two more post season appearences than Schaub has who has yet to even make the post season and Matt Ryan has only played in 3 seasons and just last year his numbers were right there with Schaub's numbers and over all he was a better QB in my opinion. He certainly has had a much better start to his career than Schaub has had.
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So appearantly leading the league in receptions or yards no longer qualifies as a top 5 combo!
This isn't about just AJ by himself. You've got to consider the QB and the WR and how long they've played great together and what they've both accomplished statistically and as far as wins. I put Schaub and Johnson in my top 3 personally and I don't think that is anything to sneeze at or have a problem with. It's top 3.
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You do know that Schaub was 6th in the NFL in YPA and Ryan was 26th right?

Schaub was 5th in Yards/Game Ryan was 15th.

Schaub was 2nd in plays of 20+ yards Ryan was 24th.

I would take Schaub 9,001 out of 9,001 times over Captain Checkdown.
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You do know that Schaub was 6th in the NFL in YPA and Ryan was 26th right?

Schaub was 5th in Yards/Game Ryan was 15th.

Schaub was 2nd in plays of 20+ yards Ryan was 24th.

I would take Schaub 9,001 out of 9,001 times over Captain Checkdown.
These stats don't prove anything other than the fact that you can cherry pick some stats. I could do the same for Matt Ryan, but it would be a waste of time. Ryan came out the gate as a starter and didn't even struggle like most rookies do in his first season. He's been a true leader since day one. Schaub wasn't even an NFL starter until he was traded while Ryan has already been to two playoff appearances in only 3 seasons and changed the dynamics of that franchise at the time. Ryan went through his learning curve in his first two seasons, and last year he had a great statistical season showing that he can hang with some of the elite QB's statistically and in the wins category. Holler at me when Schaub can at least make it to his first post season where he actually plays. Hopefully he can do it by year 10 or has that already happened? Scuab is good and he is top 10, but to act like he is worlds better than Matt Ryan is one of the most homerish things I've ever heard honestly. I could understand someone thinking he is better and saying it's real close, but to say some of the things you're saying comes off like a person who has never watched Ryan play before and is speaking out of fan worship and not logic.
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Schaub wasn't even an NFL starter until he was traded ...
Oh c'mon. Schaub was behind the man with the highest contract in the NFL. If Vick's arrest had come a little earlier Schaub would be the starting QB for the Falcons and Ryan would be on some other team. Many fans were already clamoring for Schaub to start over Vick which is what got him traded. And I am not putting Ryan down at all. He has been very good.

And yeah it is fun to demean stats but having a career average full yard less on yards per attempt is meaningful. And it is reflected in Ryan having half of the long balls Schaub has over the last three years even with a top tier WR.
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Oh c'mon. Schaub was behind the man with the highest contract in the NFL. If Vick's arrest had come a little earlier Schaub would be the starting QB for the Falcons and Ryan would be on some other team. Many fans were already clamoring for Schaub to start over Vick which is what got him traded. And I am not putting Ryan down at all. He has been very good.
Well he didn't start and he never won the job over Vick who played barely above average his last two seasons before the dog thing. You can say what you want, but those are the facts. He wasn't a starter coming into the league and Ryan not only was, but was damn good right out the gate leading one of the worst teams in the league to one of the best records in the NFC that season.

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And yeah it is fun to demean stats but having a career average full yard less on yards per attempt is meaningful. And it is reflected in Ryan having half of the long balls Schaub has over the last three years even with a top tier WR.
I've stated that they are very close as far as where I'd rank them. I don't see how that is a knock on Schaub. Saying he is very close and almost as good as Ryan is a compliment in my eyes. But for folks acting like Schaub is way better and all of this other stuff can't even be taken seriously as an informed fan at all. Ryan, Schaub, and Romo are all very close right behind Big Ben and Phillip Rivers. What Ryan has done in his first 3 seasons simply can't be denied though and he's putting up great stats along with wins. Schaub has yet to see the post season and hasn't shown the ability to carry his team to that next level as well as Matt has. He simply hasn't. Schaub has shown that he can be clutch at times and come up big, but more times than none he has made some bad plays at the end of games when he had opportunities. Matt Ryan reminds me of a poor version of Tom Brady while Schaub reminds me of a poor version of Kurt Warner. They're both very good, but not quite elite. Matt Ryan just might sneak into that elite category very soon though.
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I'm not accusing you of slighting Schaub. I think they are close and it comes down to personal choice. I would put Schaub slightly over Ryan and you would reverse that. I was really reacting to the one comment I quoted as I don't think being an immediate starter is a reasonable standard. Ryan could have been drafted by Indy and he wouldn't have been the immediate starter there. The circumstances not the talent largely dictate whether that happens. And seriously, the Falcons were not going to pay Vick $11 mil to sit on the bench behind Schaub. Schaub had zero chance to beat Vick out for the starting job. That is no reflection on Schaub.
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These stats don't prove anything other than the fact that you can cherry pick some stats. I could do the same for Matt Ryan, but it would be a waste of time.
Please do. Matt Ryan was drafted in a good situation and has the luxury of a good team around him. Sure his team "won" but so did Mark Sanchez's.
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Please do. Matt Ryan was drafted in a good situation and has the luxury of a good team around him. Sure his team "won" but so did Mark Sanchez's.
Drafted to a good team? Lol!

They were terrible and in disarray. They had gone like 3-13 the year before he got there. He wasn't even expected to start as a rookie until pre season started and he impressed his teammates and coaches so much just in his first game of pre season that he gained the starting job and led a team that wasn't expected to do shit to an impressive 11-5 record. You put a new rookie Qb in who has great leadership skills and all of a sudden you've got a team that goes from being one of the worst in the league to a playoff team.
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You guys acting like Matt Ryan and Roddy WHite being on there as some sort of problem are out of your minds. Roddy White is barely behind AJ and I'd take Matt Ryan over Scahub any day of the week. For someone to say that Ryan isn't even any good is just asinine. The kid has only played in 3 seasons and in two of them had one of the best records in the entire NFC and has shown great leadership right off the bat and he went to a team that was awful when he got there. Roddy White has been lighting it up for years now and him and Ryan have been easily one of the best combos in the league.

I'd put

1. Manning/Wayne
2. Ryan/White
3. Schaub/Johnson
4. Brady/Welker
5. Rodgers/Jennings

Manning and Wayne are easily #1 here for the simple fact that they've been a great combo for way more years than anyone else on this list.

Brady and Welker would be higher, but White, Johnson, and Wayne are all that much better than Welker so they get bumped higher.

Ryan and White go higher than Schaub and Johnson to me because Roddy White is just a hair behind AJ as a receiver. He arguably had a better season than AJ last year as well. Matt Ryan has has led his team to two more post season appearences than Schaub has who has yet to even make the post season and Matt Ryan has only played in 3 seasons and just last year his numbers were right there with Schaub's numbers and over all he was a better QB in my opinion. He certainly has had a much better start to his career than Schaub has had.
Well thats saying a lot since AJ did spring his ankle in week 2 and missed the last 2 games of the season
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