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Old 10-23-2011   #461
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He got beat three times back to back to back. I know one of those was another play where allowing the reciver to get behind him was absolutely inexcusable. If he was benched, & I think he was, good call.
That's not true, TK.
Jackson was targeted twice in that series.

On one of them, actually on both of them he was right there!
I will post the screen shots when I have some time.

Personally, I think the PI was iffy. Looks more like incidental contact to me.
Jackson had inside position; the receiver tried to step in front of him.
I don't think a receiver is allowed to do that.
When two guys are rubbing neck and one guy tries to step to one side over the other; I don't see how you can avoid contact.
But let go ahead and accept the PI, that's OK with me.

I just want to point out that the receiver did not get past KJ; it was the contact that gave him a little separation at the end.


KJ was in step with receiver on the other pass along the side line.
There was no chance for a completion.

Rey, IMO, you are grasping at straw when you said they pulled KJ because of that PI.

Overall, KJ played in more series and more snaps than Allen.

The three series Allen played in were the three longest drives for the Tacks (48, 20, and 66 yards.)

The 7 series KJ played in (not counting the last series where the Tacks gained 4 yards to run out the game), the Tacks gained 10 total yards.
If you want to add that 30 yard PI, it comes up to 40 yards total.

And no, Allen didn't defend that long pass on the seam route (with the safety defending the post route.) The receiver dropped that ball. Also, it wasn't the best pass Hasselbeck could have thrown; it was a little high over the shoulder pad (slightly underthrown where the receiver has to alligator-arm the catch instead of out front where the receiver can extend the arms to catch the ball away from his body.) This one could have easily been a 45-50 yard catch.
Allen was not credited for a pass defended, and rightfully so.

Compare with the 51yd catch to T. Smith in the Ravens game, this one is a much easier play to defend where the CB knows that he has deep safety help over the middle (the post route). All he has to worry about is the seam route and the corner route.

I haven't criticized Allen yet since the regular season started.
I don't call for him to be benched or pulled every time he had an underwhelming moment.
And I'm not going to start now; I will just let the play on the field justify Wade's decision on who to play.
(I'm seeing KJ continue to start and play more than Allen; it's not simply my opinion, it's what's been happening; KJ played in 8 series and 27 snaps; Allen played in 3 series and 21 snaps. Allen didn't register anything on the stat sheet; he could have two tackles, but he missed both.)
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That's not true, TK.
Jackson was targeted twice in that series.

On one of them, actually on both of them he was right there!
I will post the screen shots when I have some time.

Personally, I think the PI was iffy. Looks more like incidental contact to me.
Jackson had inside position; the receiver tried to step in front of him.
I don't think a receiver is allowed to do that.
When two guys are rubbing neck and one guy tries to step to one side over the other; I don't see how you can avoid contact.
But let go ahead and accept the PI, that's OK with me.

I just want to point out that the receiver did not get past KJ; it was the contact that gave him a little separation at the end.


KJ was in step with receiver on the other pass along the side line.
There was no chance for a completion.

Rey, IMO, you are grasping at straw when you said they pulled KJ because of that PI.

Overall, KJ played in more series and more snaps than Allen.

The three series Allen played in were the three longest drives for the Tacks (48, 20, and 66 yards.)

The 7 series KJ played in (not counting the last series where the Tacks gained 4 yards to run out the game), the Tacks gained 10 total yards.
If you want to add that 30 yard PI, it comes up to 40 yards total.

And no, Allen didn't defend that long pass on the seam route (with the safety defending the post route.) The receiver dropped that ball. Also, it wasn't the best pass Hasselbeck could have thrown; it was a little high over the shoulder pad (slightly underthrown where the receiver has to alligator-arm the catch instead of out front where the receiver can extend the arms to catch the ball away from his body.) This one could have easily been a 45-50 yard catch.
Allen was not credited for a pass defended, and rightfully so.

Compare with the 51yd catch to T. Smith in the Ravens game, this one is a much easier play to defend where the CB knows that he has deep safety help over the middle (the post route). All he has to worry about is the seam route and the corner route.

I haven't criticized Allen yet since the regular season started.
I don't call for him to be benched or pulled every time he had an underwhelming moment.
And I'm not going to start now; I will just let the play on the field justify Wade's decision on who to play.
(I'm seeing KJ continue to start and play more than Allen; it's not simply my opinion, it's what's been happening; KJ played in 8 series and 27 snaps; Allen played in 3 series and 21 snaps. Allen didn't register anything on the stat sheet; he could have two tackles, but he missed both.)
76, three things:

Go back and comprehend what I said. I never said anything about him getting pulled because of the penalty. You are grasping at straws.

2nd, Allen did defend the deep pass. The receiver dropped it because Allen was right on his back and grabbed his arm. You credit Kareem for "being close" but when Allen is making plays you belittle what he did.

Last, your kj stuff is getting a little creepy. How it's not obvious to you that he is a liability is kind of strange.

You tear Allen down and build Kareem up, yet Allen is taking more of kareem's snaps. That alone should be a big clue. If sorry ass Allen is taking some of your playing time, you're doing it wrong.
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I love ya 76, but this thread needs to die.

yesterday matt hasselbeck looked over, saw KJ & immediately went deep on him........... twice. Matt Freakin' Hasselbeck dude. It may as well have been Chad Pennington. That doesn't bode well for him.

The other thing is that he got pulled for Jason Allen & Brice McCain in spots...in which case McCain got a pick 6.

It's official, he's a bust & i look for him to last on this roster for probably 1 more year b4 they get the memo & release him.
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Hm. I keep thinking Kareem would make a good Safety. He doesn't react well with his back to the ball, but man can he tackle well.

Allen made some plays, but he gave up a few as well. I just wish he had Kareems tackling abilities.
I don't know if KJ would make a good safety or not, but I do know I'd rather see KJ playing safety than Keo. For all of his faults KJ is a better defender than Keo.
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It's official, he's a bust & i look for him to last on this roster for probably 1 more year b4 they get the memo & release him.
I think this is a bit of an over reaction there. I know he has not been good, but there are a few things to consider. I am sure most of us can agree, last year did not do him any favors. I am not sure it was even a learning experience, as I feel he got sold out by bad coaching and left to flounder.

This is the first year (of his NFL career) he actually had a real coach try to improve him as a corner. For all practical purposes, he probably started this year worse than when he came into the NFL. However, he has shown the ability to play well in spurts, and tackle well, so there is hope. Every rookie will struggle, and after last season, I imagine Jackson has it worse than most rookies - they get to start with a clean slate, he has the nightmares of last season.

When Wade came in here, he talked about his Kareem's technique was not good at all, and they have been working on it I am sure. Maybe Wade can work his magic and make him a decent CB#2 in time. I personally am OK waiting till next season (when he has a full off season with the coaches) to see where he is and if he is still growing to pass any judgement on the situation.

That being said, I am not saying he is going to be our CB#2 of the future or that he is a good corner. All I am saying is that he has shown some improvement, and since we do not have much of a choice anyway, keep letting him see some game action.
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I think this is a bit of an over reaction there. I know he has not been good, but there are a few things to consider. I am sure most of us can agree, last year did not do him any favors. I am not sure it was even a learning experience, as I feel he got sold out by bad coaching and left to flounder.

This is the first year (of his NFL career) he actually had a real coach try to improve him as a corner. For all practical purposes, he probably started this year worse than when he came into the NFL. However, he has shown the ability to play well in spurts, and tackle well, so there is hope. Every rookie will struggle, and after last season, I imagine Jackson has it worse than most rookies - they get to start with a clean slate, he has the nightmares of last season.

When Wade came in here, he talked about his Kareem's technique was not good at all, and they have been working on it I am sure. Maybe Wade can work his magic and make him a decent CB#2 in time. I personally am OK waiting till next season (when he has a full off season with the coaches) to see where he is and if he is still growing to pass any judgement on the situation.

That being said, I am not saying he is going to be our CB#2 of the future or that he is a good corner. All I am saying is that he has shown some improvement, and since we do not have much of a choice anyway, keep letting him see some game action.
I expect to see Harris challenging him next year & if he shows any improvement i think KJ will be downgraded to special teams that year with Allen & Harris taking the majority of snaps at #2 cb. I think McCain has shown enough to warrant being our nickel guy from here on out.

Basically the only way i see him staying on this team past next year if they retain him for special teams, that's it.
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I expect to see Harris challenging him next year & if he shows any improvement i think KJ will be downgraded to special teams that year with Allen & Harris taking the majority of snaps at #2 cb. I think McCain has shown enough to warrant being our nickel guy from here on out.

Basically the only way i see him staying on this team past next year if they retain him for special teams, that's it.
I bet no one will catch a ball on Kareem Jackson come week 11. He'll totally shut everybody down.

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I bet no one will catch a ball on Kareem Jackson come week 11. He'll totally shut everybody down.

Shut down Corner baby, shut down corner.

If he gets benched or injured, you will be correct!
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I bet no one will catch a ball on Kareem Jackson come week 11. He'll totally shut everybody down.

Shut down Corner baby, shut down corner.



BTW...I get that it is a BYE week....but still.....it's KJ dude.....he'll find a way to get burned.

KJ being burned and bum play calling by Kubes are typically 2 thing you can bank on.
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Did Kareem get taken out of the line up after the first series?

I know he got beat, but dang.
So what exactly did you mean by this?
I am not sure I understand your comment there.
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Allen did defend the deep pass. The receiver dropped it because Allen was right on his back and grabbed his arm. You credit Kareem for "being close" but when Allen is making plays you belittle what he did.
No, the ball bounced off the receiver before Allen got there.
Go rewatch it; Allen was beat on that play.
He was behind all the way until the receiver bobbled that ball.
A throw out front and/or slightly toward the inside and Allen would have no chance whatsoever.

We can give him credit for being close enough to prevent the receiver from recapturing the ball; but again, hoping for our CB to get lucky to defend a pass is not a good strategy.
I'm not tearing Allen down; I'm only describing what happened on the field.
You can say that Allen recovered and took opportunity of a poor pass and catch not to let the receiver has a chance at recapturing the ball; I would agree to that.

Remember that I gave Allen credit for the INTs (even though others like TK suggested that they were scheme related and that Allen was at the right place at the right time.)
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Last, your kj stuff is getting a little creepy. How it's not obvious to you that he is a liability is kind of strange.

You tear Allen down and build Kareem up, yet Allen is taking more of kareem's snaps. That alone should be a big clue. If sorry ass Allen is taking some of your playing time, you're doing it wrong.
Obviously we have disagreement about KJ's ability.

But enough of he says, she says...

I will just continue to analyze the plays and let Wade decide on who to play and when.
You are certainly entitled to your own take, just like anybody and everybody.
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So what exactly did you mean by this?
I am not sure I understand your comment there.
Well then, you should probably write a three page long post defending Kareem Jackson's play.

Here's something that everyone but you seems to realize: KJ and Allen are both not very good. For each, their play ranges between terrible and mediocre. Every single time someone points out a play where Jackson performed terribly, you counter that with four pages of examples where Jackson's play was mediocre and Allen's play was terrible and count that as 'evidence' toward whatever point it is you are trying to make.

CB#2 is the weakest position on our defense and, SURPRISE, is occupied by the two weakest players on the defense. Needs to be upgraded. Move on.
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KJ is a good corner....when he doesn't fall down....or almost fall down....which is rare...
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I love ya 76, but this thread needs to die.

yesterday matt hasselbeck looked over, saw KJ & immediately went deep on him........... twice. Matt Freakin' Hasselbeck dude. It may as well have been Chad Pennington. That doesn't bode well for him.

The other thing is that he got pulled for Jason Allen & Brice McCain in spots...in which case McCain got a pick 6.

It's official, he's a bust & i look for him to last on this roster for probably 1 more year b4 they get the memo & release him.
Jackson played the first two series (5yd and 3yd drives for the Tacks), then Allen played the next two (48yd and 20yd drives), then KJ came back for the last series of the half (minus 3 yd.)

KJ then playd the first series of the second half (10yd).

So for a while there, it looks like Wade might have come back to each playing 2 series.

But then Allen took his turn on the next series, and the Tacks scored their lone TD on their longest drive of the day (66yd).

KJ played the rest of the way (4 more drives, including the last one where the Tacks merely run two plays while conceding the game.)

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Now, you can say that the opposing QB tries to go after KJ.
You can also say that they didn't come back there (testing him deep) after a couple of tries.
One of those tries were well defended; and the other (I strongly suspect) was incidental contact and not a PI.

...

Another note when I went back and watched the games.
Allen was the one that the Texans send a safety over to help the most often.
In the off-season, I can show you all the screen shots of how the D line up on each play (I have most of them already, I just don't know if I have time to upload them to photobucket.)
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Well then, you should probably write a three page long post defending Kareem Jackson's play.

Here's something that everyone but you seems to realize: KJ and Allen are both not very good. For each, their play ranges between terrible and mediocre. Every single time someone points out a play where Jackson performed terribly, you counter that with four pages of examples where Jackson's play was mediocre and Allen's play was terrible and count that as 'evidence' toward whatever point it is you are trying to make.

CB#2 is the weakest position on our defense and, SURPRISE, is occupied by the two weakest players on the defense. Needs to be upgraded. Move on.
Most everybody was wrong about Chris Myers.
I was among the minority to say that he was far from being the weak link on the O-line.
Just because the mass thinks a certain way doesn't make them right!

Hardly nobody gave Foster a chance as an UDFA to even make the team.
I was pretty much the lone supporter of his from the start.

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KJ is a good corner....when he doesn't fall down....or almost fall down....which is rare...
if you don't know what you are looking at, Kareem Jackson's play is fine.
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Most everybody was wrong about Chris Myers.
I was among the minority to say that he was far from being the weak link on the O-line.
Just because the mass thinks a certain way doesn't make them right!

Hardly nobody gave Foster a chance as an UDFA to even make the team.
I was pretty much the lone supporter of his from the start.

The list goes on and on...
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