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Old 10-20-2011   #421
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Why is it that on a regular basis it appears that Kareem Jackson is simply not fast enough to keep up with whomever he is covering, or that he does not have enough speed to make up for mistakes in footwork or decision making to be able to cover these people? To me, Jackson just plays like a guy that you would not want as a starting CB (Jason Allen falls into the same category), what is it about Jackson's game that makes I, and probably other fans, feel this way?
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Where there's smoke there's fire and in Creamed Jackson's case, he has been burned so bad the smoke is coming off him.
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I dont hate KJ, he's just another below avg CB that Rick and Gary are letting play due to his draft status. KJ is just another sympton of what's wrong with the Texans organization.
I don't think so. I think his play justifies him being on the field. He's not going to get any better on the sideline & his play so far has not cost us any games.
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If you like to put it that way.
But you also want to keep in mind that the deep threat means first of all "the threat in his zone", then you can expand it further if you like.

I prefer Kubiak's statement:
"It wans't even his play to make".

It means he MAKES the play;
he didn't fail the play.

In another word, after he had to make the initial reads as required by coverage, he started reacting to the action on the field; he then went into the post to cover up for somebody's else Failure.
I understand & agree with what you're saying. But once that break down occurs & he recognizes it, he should have played it better. He made a play that saved a TD... I'm not denying that. But he is no hero here, with the cushion he was giving, there's no way Smith should have got past him.
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It sounds like the very thing that should be helping him is also hurting him, can't win situation.
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Why is it that on a regular basis it appears that Kareem Jackson is simply not fast enough to keep up with whomever he is covering, or that he does not have enough speed to make up for mistakes in footwork or decision making to be able to cover these people? To me, Jackson just plays like a guy that you would not want as a starting CB (Jason Allen falls into the same category), what is it about Jackson's game that makes I, and probably other fans, feel this way?
We lost three games.

List his break downs vs the Colts & Dolphins. List another breakdown vs Baltimore.

We've been losing so long, that every play, every mistake is critical. Once we start winning, we won't care about a player make one or two mistakes per game.

I'm actually surprised Manning & JJoseph haven't been getting hammered.

Yet.
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I know you rather have Patrick Peterson starting for us, right, Jay!?!
You are correct sir,

Both KJ and PP are playing at about the same level right now. (Poor)

I believe PP has much more potential due to his vastly superior athletic ability. If it doesn't work out for PP at Cb his size/speed/ball skills should allow PP to be an all pro S someday. IMHO

As of right now i'm giving you that PP hasn't done as well as I expected. But atleast he can still be a big time contributor on ST's. Where else does KJ contribute to the Texans other than sub par CB play.

BTw, even though we disagree on KJ, I appreciate all of the work you do breaking down film and I am looking forward to your work in next yrs mock draft section. It's very informative and should be a must read for mock drafters out there.
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I don't think so. I think his play justifies him being on the field. He's not going to get any better on the sideline & his play so far has not cost us any games.


You must have missed the Saints game then.
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You must have missed the Saints game then.
Other than that one drive..... what have I missed? What other plays did he screw up on?

For the record, there were like 3 slants in a row that were completed in front of him then the touchdown pass caught over him. Those are the plays I'm including in that one drive.

Outside of that one drive, Kj had a solid game against the Saints. We should expect better, I expect better. At the same time, I recognize he is not a shut down corner out of the box. He may be in time, but it won't happen if he is sitting on the sideline.

Not that Kj is Darrell Revis, or anything like it. But for comparison's sake, if you watched the Monday Night game, Revis had a poor series against Marshall.... several bad plays for sure.

Actually, Revis has been having a poor season all together. So one bad series against Brees is not bad for a player you expect to improve.
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Because if you say somebody doesn't suck long enough people will start to believe it.

Everything may not be KJ's fault. But he sure needs alot of help that apparently he never gets. LOL
Hmm...sounds like someone I used to waste my time on defending....(Vinny knows)...my name wasn't always "Carr Bombed".
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It's pretty similar to the Chris Myers thread. 76 is more right than not. On this particular play, technically he's correct, but once the ball is snapped, you have to do what you've got to do. Manning screwed up, which changes Jackson's responsibilities.

We're playing that cover 4 to prevent a big play there. Jackson gave up a big play. He may have had help, but that doesn't exonerate him.

Lots of breakdowns on the right side of the field. Cushing, Manning & Jackson.

Take that 51 yarder out of the equation (the catch was questionable anyway) & Torrey Smith ends the night with 2 catches for 33 yards....... whoop!!
LOL, this thread doesn't have anything to do with Chris Myers.


Kareem Jackson is a bust...when you're a Texan fan long enough they become easy to identify. I don't get where comparing Kareem Jackson to other struggling players helps his argument either?
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Not that Kj is Darrell Revis, or anything like it. But for comparison's sake, if you watched the Monday Night game, Revis had a poor series against Marshall.... several bad plays for sure.

Actually, Revis has been having a poor season all together. So one bad series against Brees is not bad for a player you expect to improve.
Tk, you do realize this makes you look crazy right?

I realize you said kj is not revis, but you went on to compare the two anyways.

Ummmmm, revis makes plays dude.

That seems to be what you and 76 are missing.

All corners get beat, some more than others. But what separates the good ones from the bad ones is playmaking ability. Kjax has not displayed any kind of playmaking ability since he has come into the league. Combine that with the fact that he is often picked on or roasted and what you have is a guy that is not good enough.
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Pretty damning when the only thing you can compare KJ with is other player's failures rather than accomplishments.
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Tk, you do realize this makes you look crazy right?

I realize you said kj is not revis, but you went on to compare the two anyways.

Ummmmm, revis makes plays dude.

That seems to be what you and 76 are missing.

All corners get beat, some more than others. But what separates the good ones from the bad ones is playmaking ability. Kjax has not displayed any kind of playmaking ability since he has come into the league. Combine that with the fact that he is often picked on or roasted and what you have is a guy that is not good enough.
I'm not missing that at all. I'm just waiting to see. I don't think Wade is being "forced" to start Kj. Even if that were the case, I think we would see more of Jason Allen if Wade thought he gave us a better option to win. JA didn't really even play vs Baltimore, & while Flacco isn't Brady or Rivers, he's probably the second best QB we've faced this year.

Trust me, I have no love for Kareem. I want the Texans to put the best 11 on the field come Sunday. So far this season, Wade thinks Kj belongs in that group. Judging by his defense's performance so far, you've got to give Wade the benefit of the doubt.

But the "plays" are going to come.
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I'm not missing that at all. I'm just waiting to see. I don't think Wade is being "forced" to start Kj. Even if that were the case, I think we would see more of Jason Allen if Wade thought he gave us a better option to win. JA didn't really even play vs Baltimore, & while Flacco isn't Brady or Rivers, he's probably the second best QB we've faced this year.

Trust me, I have no love for Kareem. I want the Texans to put the best 11 on the field come Sunday. So far this season, Wade thinks Kj belongs in that group. Judging by his defense's performance so far, you've got to give Wade the benefit of the doubt.

But the "plays" are going to come.
Did David Carr give us a better chance to win than Sage did?

Kareem is a first round pick...He's going to be given ample opprotunity to prove himself because no one wants to see a first round bust. Especially not Bob McNair and Kubiak.

If they thought Kareem was the shyt they wouldn't be platooning him with Jason Allen's sorry ass. C'mon, that has got to be a dead give away.

Kubiak didn't say that Kareem got the start and played more than Allen against Baltimore because he's "the better player" or because "he gives us the best chance to win"....He said "Baltimore is a physical team and Kareem is a physical player"....

For there to even be a discussion of whether or not Allen should play over Jackson is not a compliment.

The fact that you guys keep tearing down good players to show try to prove a point about Kareem is just silly IMO. And as other's have said I don't see how that helps Kareem's case...The fact that the only thing you can compare him to is other players f ups...

I don't want to call him a bust just yet, but he is teetering close to that line...

You are saying he is improving because for 75% of the game he isn't getting picked on...IMO, if you are a first round CB you need to be able to do more than "not getting picked on" for most of the game...
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Did David Carr give us a better chance to win than Sage did?

Kareem is a first round pick...He's going to be given ample opprotunity to prove himself because no one wants to see a first round bust. Especially not Bob McNair and Kubiak.
The only reason I wanted Capers fired, was because he was McNair's yes man. He kept running Carr out there regardless. Kubiak would've benched Carr if Sage didn't break his thumb that season (I believe that, no doubt in my mind).
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If they thought Kareem was the shyt they wouldn't be platooning him with Jason Allen's sorry ass. C'mon, that has got to be a dead give away.
Even in 2010, they said Kareem's biggest problem was staying focused.... he'd have some good series, then lose focus & have some bad series. Kj "improved" over the second half of 2010, because he was able to step back from the game & think about what he was doing.
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Kubiak didn't say that Kareem got the start and played more than Allen against Baltimore because he's "the better player" or because "he gives us the best chance to win"....He said "Baltimore is a physical team and Kareem is a physical player"....
I never said he did. I said I believe Wade splits the Kj/Allen time by what he feels is best for the team.
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For there to even be a discussion of whether or not Allen should play over Jackson is not a compliment.
If I had my way, Kj would be the nickel. But we didn't get another CB in the off-season who could play the 2nd spot. This is basically the same thing, except we've got a vet who can't hold down the #2 spot & is losing out to a Nickel Corner with serious talent issues.
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The fact that you guys keep tearing down good players to show try to prove a point about Kareem is just silly IMO. And as other's have said I don't see how that helps Kareem's case...The fact that the only thing you can compare him to is other players f ups...
I'm just making the same point you were, every corner gets beat. Trying to keep that into perspective. I'm not saying Revis is not the best in the game. I'm not tearing his game apart. You're reading that into what I've posted.
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I don't want to call him a bust just yet, but he is teetering close to that line...

You are saying he is improving because for 75% of the game he isn't getting picked on...IMO, if you are a first round CB you need to be able to do more than "not getting picked on" for most of the game...
I guess Joe Haden is a bust? I guess Kyle Wilson is a bust? I guess Devin McCourtey is a bust? or at least "teetering close to that line......"

I'm not a talent scout & I don't pretend to be. All I can do is make comparisons to other players. I'll compare him to the best, because that is the level I think he was drafted to play. I'll compare him to other DBs that were drafted in the same class, especially if we passed on those other guys, to gauge his development.

I'm not going to grade him in a vacuum, because that is an unwinnable position. If we're going to expect him to play a perfect game, when no one else plays a perfect game, he can't win.

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I guess Joe Haden is a bust? I guess Kyle Wilson is a bust? I guess Devin McCourtey is a bust? or at least "teetering close to that line......"
McCourtey at least has 1 good season under his belt where he made some plays for his team....

Haden has made some plays as well...He had 6 INT's and a sack last year...

Kyle Wilson is a guy that I spoke out against even before he was drafted...I did not like him and still don't care for him...He's not that good IMO...

But seriously, how can you compare Kareem to Haden and McCourty?...They've made more plays and gotten their hands on way more balls than Kareem..

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I'm not going to grade him in a vacuum, because that is an unwinnable position. If we're going to expect him to play a perfect game, when no one else plays a perfect game, he can't win.

When you say stuff like this it makes me think you still aren't understanding what I'm saying.

No one expects anyone to play a perfect game. This isn't baseball.

What I do expect from a first round corner is some playmaking ability or really good coverage ability ala Carlos Rogers. So far Kareem has not shown either which is why you get a lot of people wanting to see more of Jason Allen. When he gets into the game he has shown that he can get some turnovers.


I understand that all corners get beat/make mistakes....BUT good corners make plays in between those times...
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What plays are those dude? Revis has one more INT during KJ's tenure in the league. They had the same number of passes defended last year. Clearly I would rather have Revis but not sure what you are referring to as making plays.
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What plays are those dude? Revis has one more INT during KJ's tenure in the league. They had the same number of passes defended last year even though Revis played 3 less games and QB's would rather not throw at him. Clearly I would rather have Revis but not sure what you are referring to as making plays.
First I made a minor correction.

I was watching something on NFL network last night about Revis...They talked about his holdout last year and and how much the team missed him...

And Rex talked about how because he had made so many plays in the past, QB's had stopped testing him really. Even after his holdout and hamstring injuries They didn't even look his way much last year...Look at the tackling numbers....That indicates that a lot of passes weren't completed on him. The year before, he had 31 PD's and 6 INT's...

You're talking about KJ and Revis since they came into the league and I don't really get your point...KJ had more INT's than Revis last year...Revis played 3 less games...another way to look at it is that Revis has made more plays in 6 games than KJ has made since he's been in the league despite QB's not wanting to throw at him...


Revis had 0 picks last year...the only year besides his rookie year that he hasn't had at least 3 INT's....He already has 3 INT's this year despite the fact that QB's would rather not throw his way...
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I'm not missing that at all. I'm just waiting to see.

Trust me, I have no love for Kareem. I want the Texans to put the best 11 on the field come Sunday. So far this season, Wade thinks Kj belongs in that group. Judging by his defense's performance so far, you've got to give Wade the benefit of the doubt.

But the "plays" are going to come.
That's really all I've got to say about that. Can't put it any clearer.
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