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Old 12-06-2011   #101
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I bet Jason Garrett gets Coach of the Year in 2011. Turning around a 6-10 Cowboys team in 'the toughest division of the NFL'. It's a good setup for a team in that position.
Coaches that freeze their own kicker don't recieve much consideration in COY!!

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IMO, he certainly should be in the running. I doubt he would get it. The Harbaugh at the 49ers will likely be the one.
Agreed. Before Harbaugh showed up, San Fran was a train wreck, although he did inherit some talent.
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Do you think he should get CotY if we go 13-3 and have top seed in the playoffs?
Like you, I think Harbaugh deserves it if he can finish. I also think McCarthy deserves it if they go 16-0 after a SuperBowl

If Buffalo can get into the play-offs even as a wild card I think Gailey is more deserving.

If Fox & Tebow win that division, I think they would be more deserving.

Marvin Lewis with Dalton & Green

There's a lot of great coaching going on. Kubiak deserves to be in the conversation, but since this is year 6 (I know this is supposed to be in a bubble) I think that cancels out the injury thing.
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Kubiak has been brilliant this year. Did I just say that? Of course, much of that brilliance can be explained by however, looking at the injury situation at key positions and key players and yet they keep rolling along... and he has in general done much better at every area I saw him as weak in before this year.

I dare say the light bulb seems to have finally been lit. At this point, I want Kubes here next year, and Kubes and Phillips are a dynamic duo that will be a periennial contender for years imo. We have finally hit the mother lode, and I definetely think he is a COTY candidate even if they split the last two.

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Kubiak has been brilliant this year.
I'm thinking, the way he's been playing Schaub over his last 3 or 4 games, he's got to be clairvoyant. Like he knew we'd be getting down to our third string (practice squad) QB.
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So all the other coaches listed could be 9-3 or better with same loss of players we have had? You got to be kidding me. SF with 3rd string QB last 5 games? Each team loses it's #1 WR and arguably one of its best defensive players? Somebody got some splaining to do Lucy.
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So all the other coaches listed could be 9-3 or better with same loss of players we have had? You got to be kidding me. SF with 3rd string QB last 5 games? Each team loses it's #1 WR and arguably one of its best defensive players? Somebody got some splaining to do Lucy.
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I was positive in my July post on page 1 btw. You called it like a mo-fo, bro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If he does not get it, it's just more Houston hate/lack of respect.
Yes, you did. I liked Gary from beginning but his stubborness on holding onto his coaches especially on Defense was losing me fast. I was disgusted & ready to turn off team. The hiring of Wade Phillips was the turnaround. Few head coaches have to be the OC while the DC does nothing. The negative is I don't think Gary would have gone to McNair and said "I want Wade Phillips." I believe that talk went the other way. We could be building a dynasty.
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So all the other coaches listed could be 9-3 or better with same loss of players we have had? You got to be kidding me. SF with 3rd string QB last 5 games? Each team loses it's #1 WR and arguably one of its best defensive players? Somebody got some splaining to do Lucy.


The Texans are LEGIT this year but I haven't even heard of Kubiak as even in the discussion until I glanced over this thread. It is awesome that they have played through such significant injuries, and I do think Kubiak deserves credit for helping them through that, but to think of him as the favorite is just being a homer. Bottom line, he has a very poor track record with defensive head coaches and lucked out when Wade, probably the best DC in the NFL, hit the market in the same state. So I'd say he is too reliant on Wade to be considered COY. In all like likelihood, if Wade leaves for another HC job/retires, the defense is probably back in the dumps if history is any indicator. Plus, this is Kube's 6th year as a HC and only his first year to the playoffs...no? That certainly doesn't bode well for his case.

Even if McCarthy runs the table, he won't get it either. Nobody even knows of that guy. He is probably an above average head coach and not much more. They do a great job drafting talent and have a good system, but that team was average without Rodgers. Definitely good fortune that he inherited him. Correct me if I'm wrong, but McCarthy wasn't even sold on Rodgers when he was at GB. He kept Favre, drafted Brohm, and I believe there were even rumors circulating that Rodgers was on the block. Don't quote me on that though. Bottom line, that team is awesome but McCarthy doesn't deserve too much of the credit. AR foremost and then the GM. Kudos to McCarthy for developing the talent, though.

Fox won't get it. No way. The Broncos are 7-5 in a pretty bad division and haven't beat one good team. None that I can think of, at least. Aren't their last 3 wins that are being hyped up so much against the likes of Minne, SD, and Miami? Again, pathetic, especially considering they needed a miracle each time. Don't forget about his stubborn ways earlier in the season either, refusing to unseat Orton. His comments to the media about Tebow sucking don't help him, either.

I heard Chan Gailey mentioned somewhere.... Seriously? I don't think much an explanation is needed there. It is like his 3rd year as HC and Buffalo hardly looks improved. After starting off hot, they've lost like 5-6 in a row and stand at 5-7 overall. If anything, that is a Dishonorable Coach of the Year candidate. Aaron Maybin's resurgance only makes him look worse, on top of all that.

Marvin Lewis? No way. He has been the HC for an eternity and hasn't done shit. One of the worst HCs in the NFL. This is like his 3rd winning season in the past 10. Bengals aren't dominant by any means. Good, but not special. They are 7-5, I think.

Harbaugh has it locked up. I think there is about a 5% chance anyone even comes close, let alone gets it. If it's not him, it will probably be McCarthy. Depending on how the rest of the season and playoffs go, Hue Jackson, John Fox, and Kubiak could be considered.
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This is Coach of the Year. Not coach of the last 6 years. What Kubiak or the Texans did from 2006 through 2010 doesn't mean a lick of shit when it comes to discussion about who is the 2011 Coach of the Year.
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yeah, I do the same thing on topics that I do not have 100% conviction. Sometimes it's just fun to discuss things from all angles.

Do you think he should get CotY if we go 13-3 and have top seed in the playoffs?
I read the title of this and thought - no way!!!

But after reading some of the posts and thinking about it - if we go 13-3 with a 3rd string 5th round rookie QB, losing Mario, AJ, Foster and others, learning a new defense - I think he should.

I thought he should have been fired after last year.
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This is Coach of the Year. Not coach of the last 6 years. What Kubiak or the Texans did from 2006 through 2010 doesn't mean a lick of shit when it comes to discussion about who is the 2011 Coach of the Year.
If that's the case then whether or not the Niners sucked for the last umpteen years should be irrelevant.

Both coaches have turned around 6-10 teams to be division leaders. And since the NFC West doesn't have any other team with even a .500 record, let alone a winning record (like the Titans do) then I submit the Texans have accomplished more than the Niners.

This is irrelevant anyway. McCarthy is going to be CotY.
...and Rodgers will be MVP.
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This is Coach of the Year. Not coach of the last 6 years. What Kubiak or the Texans did from 2006 through 2010 doesn't mean a lick of shit when it comes to discussion about who is the 2011 Coach of the Year.
Um, except it does. It is very relative and puts things into context.

I'll use an example to demonstrate my point. Let's say a coach of an NBA franchise hasn't had a winning season before. His team ranks near the bottom of the league in wins ever year since he took over. It is his 8th year with the club, and after using the no.1 overall pick on Jon Doe, his team makes the playoffs with Jon Doe lighting the league up and winning MVP in his rookie year. Are you telling me you'd think the coach in this scenario would be deserving of Coach of the Year? All things held constant, it looks like he is not a great coach, and the team is winning because of Jon Doe.


If the Texans have not been to the playoffs since Kubiak took over, which was 5 years ago now, and then this year they get who is considered the best D coordinator in the business, how much success can you attribute to Kubiak? It sure looks like everything is held constant here, with Wade being the independent variable. Sure, Joseph was a big signing, and Watt looks good, but they alone couldn't have caused the complete turn-around in the defense, especially in such short time.

Keep in mind the example I used to illustrate my point was quite extreme. I don't feel the Texans' case is to that degree.....it was just to exaggerate my argument.
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Even if McCarthy runs the table, he won't get it either. Nobody even knows of that guy. He is probably an above average head coach and not much more.
...but that team was average without Rodgers. Definitely good fortune that he inherited him. ...Kudos to McCarthy for developing the talent, though.

Fox won't get it. No way. The Broncos are 7-5 in a pretty bad division and haven't beat one good team. None that I can think of, at least. Aren't their last 3 wins that are being hyped up so much against the likes of Minne, SD, and Miami? Again, pathetic, especially considering they needed a miracle each time.
Sounds a little contradictory to me. First, no one knows the coach of the Super Bowl Champs who happen to be undefeated after week 12. Really?

Second, lucky that he inherited Rogers? Then you go on & drag the Chargers through the mud? That's Phillip Rivers with as talented a group of receivers & defense as what they have in GB. GB is knocking down all comers, NO, NYG, Chicago, Atlanta (those are all the NFC Contenders minus SF).

That's coaching. San Diego can't win in the AFC West & GB is taking names in the NFC North & you don't see the value of good coaching?
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Harbaugh has it locked up. I think there is about a 5% chance anyone even comes close, let alone gets it. If it's not him, it will probably be McCarthy. Depending on how the rest of the season and playoffs go, Hue Jackson, John Fox, and Kubiak could be considered.
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The Texans are LEGIT this year but I haven't even heard of Kubiak as even in the discussion until I glanced over this thread.
Then you haven't been looking. There is an ESPN article discussing Kubiak in this context up right now. I don't think he will win it but he is in the discussion.
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Sounds a little contradictory to me. First, no one knows the coach of the Super Bowl Champs who happen to be undefeated after week 12. Really?

Second, lucky that he inherited Rogers? Then you go on & drag the Chargers through the mud? That's Phillip Rivers with as talented a group of receivers & defense as what they have in GB. GB is knocking down all comers, NO, NYG, Chicago, Atlanta (those are all the NFC Contenders minus SF).

That's coaching. San Diego can't win in the AFC West & GB is taking names in the NFC North & you don't see the value of good coaching?


Sounds like homers come in all shapes, sizes, & logos.
To add on to the McCarthy argument, one thing that is important is that most teams that win the Super Bowl tend to have a 'hangover' the next year. I think a lot of that has to do with motivation of the players and a even some great coaches don't overcome that. The Packers are playing lights out this year despite just winning a Super Bowl. I think that's pretty amazing too, especially if they go 16-0. No way could you give it to anyone else at that point, 16-0 is so uncommon and difficult that it alone makes the case for best coach of the year.
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Eh... I said that back in July. It's just a combination of hype around the Cowboys, visibility, and media attention that it was a good setup for Garret to prove himself this year. Doubt it will happen now even if they win out. I'd say McCarthy or Harbaugh get it this year.
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Even if McCarthy runs the table, he won't get it either. Nobody even knows of that guy. He is probably an above average head coach and not much more. They do a great job drafting talent and have a good system, but that team was average without Rodgers. Definitely good fortune that he inherited him.
In 2006, McCarthy took over a Packers team that had been 4-12 the year before. In his second year, he took them to 13-3 and the NFC Championship game - which they lost to the eventual Super Bowl Champion Giants. This occurred before Aaron Rodgers ever started a game for the Pack.

In terms of nobody knowing of him, if this were true, it would have been difficult to finish second in the 2007 Coach of the year voting - yet he did that. In what could possibly end up being a foreshadowing of this years award, the coach that beat him to win in 2007 was Bill Belichick - who's team had just completed the first (and as of right now only) 16-0 regular season the NFL has seen.

Maybe Harbaugh will get it, maybe someone other than Harbaugh or McCarthy will get it (there is still four weeks to go after all), but to dismiss McCarthy in the manner that you have is ludicrous and uninformed.
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Take away Wade Phillips and then look at where the Texans would be this year. Kubiak is still the same ol Kubiak of years past. Absolutely no way the Texans beat Atlanta last week without Phillips defense. I said it last year when Bob stepped in and hired Wade and kept Kubiak. The only way the Texans will make the playoffs and/or superbowl is if Wade Phillips can build an elite defense. An elite defense can make up for offensive mistakes and weaknesses. You can punt the ball when maybe you would have gone for it on 4th because your defense couldn't be trusted to stop the opposing team's offense. A long field goal try is more of an option because the defense can be counted on to stop the opposing offense. QB sacks, 3rd and 4th down stops, hurried qbs, repeatedly hit qbs, interceptions, batted passes, fumbles and hard hits on receivers win games.

Kubiak is an average coach that has had the benefit of an overly patient owner. 10 years
(6 for Kubiak) to get to the playoffs is way too long. Yes it is sweet but there were some bad decisions that set the Texans back a few years here and there. And I really think if the dc decision would have been left to Kubiak we wouldn't be talking about playoffs this year. Bob knew it too and stepped in. I didn't like the way he went about it but I did like the hire.

I really don't see how Kubiak can even be discussed as coach of the year. My vote goes to Harbaugh. He has done something in San Fran that Kubiak could never do. Turn a team completely around in 1 year on both sides of the ball and clinch a division title by week 12. Phenomenal job. If you take off the koolaid glasses there really is no comparison.
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I really don't see how Kubiak can even be discussed as coach of the year. My vote goes to Harbaugh. He has done something in San Fran that Kubiak could never do. Turn a team completely around in 1 year on both sides of the ball and clinch a division title by week 12. Phenomenal job. If you take off the koolaid glasses there really is no comparison.
So, they fired their GM & got a new guy at the recommendation of Jim Harbaugh?

They turned over close to 50% of the roster?

They went from being the 30th ranked offense & the 30th ranked defense to top 10 on both counts?

Because that's where the Texans were.
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