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Old 07-19-2011   #61
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IF we make it through the season relatively healthy, I doubt he'll get a mention. That's what is expected.

If his mother died or something happened team wise, losing many key players, or something along those lines & the Texans manage to go 12-4.....

Then he'll be considered.

But if Peyton Manning has a season ending groin injury in the preseason & Chris Johnson develops fumblitis.... we could go 14-2 & Kubiak won't get any extra credit for doing it.
Did you just compare Kubiak to Brett Favre?
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You and a number of other posters are forgetting that the votes are cast before the playoffs. Playoff berth would be in consideration. Playoff performance is not.
Thanks, I couldn't remember when voting takes place. Kinda like the Heisman before bowl games huh!? In this case, I think it would give Kubiak that much more of an edge if we got the division wrapped up. Bilichick, Ryan, Harbaugh, Tomlin are EXPECTED to win 12 games or the division basically each year. Although everyone anticipates the Texans reaching the playoffs or whatnot... that's been anticipated each of the past several seasons. If the Pats, Jets, Ravens, Steelers don't make the playoffs its a huge upset. All else equal I'd think Kubiak gets the nod as he's done something for his team that's never happened. As bad as that is, I think it plays a part in things.

I just hope this is the year the Texans finally kick some ass. I hope this is the year we finally play with an attitude that we're pissed off and want to hit people on every single play.

But hey, if Kubiak does win Coach of the Year, at least we'll know we're on the right track.
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Kubiak 2011 coach of year?


Madness? This is Houston! Why wouldnt we believe the same fairly tale crap year after year?
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If Phillips turns the defense around and the Texans actually make the playoffs then Phillips should get coach of the year. Kubiak has been a terrible head coach. He needs to go back to being an offensive cordinator. He is terrible at being in charge of the whole process.
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I'm just going to throw this out there so I won't be accused of flip-flopping later (as some people are already starting to say.)

I don't think Kubiak is a bad head coach at all. I would have fired him after last season because 6-10 was simply not good enough and ultimately that defense is his fault -- those were the coaches that he wanted and their decisions were his decisions.

But every coach has good and bad years -- Cowher had several 6-10 seasons. Sometimes all their decisions seem to turn out good and sometimes they turn out bad. A lot of people have gotten their panties in a wad about things I don't consider bad decisions (like the half-back throw) but ultimately, it's the end-result that counts and that hasn't been good enough. That's why i would have fired him fully expecting him to go to another team as an HC and win a SB.

I think this team has been built to a point where it is just a piece or two away from being a perennial winner and that's a long way away from where it was when Kubiak took over. So, I'm not going to go out of my way to defend him like I used to but I still don't think that the ire a lot of people on this board have for Kubiak is justified.
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I'm just going to throw this out there so I won't be accused of flip-flopping later (as some people are already starting to say.)

I don't think Kubiak is a bad head coach at all. I would have fired him after last season because 6-10 was simply not good enough and ultimately that defense is his fault -- those were the coaches that he wanted and their decisions were his decisions.

But every coach has good and bad years -- Cowher had several 6-10 seasons. Sometimes all their decisions seem to turn out good and sometimes they turn out bad. A lot of people have gotten their panties in a wad about things I don't consider bad decisions (like the half-back throw) but ultimately, it's the end-result that counts and that hasn't been good enough. That's why i would have fired him fully expecting him to go to another team as an HC and win a SB.

I think this team has been built to a point where it is just a piece or two away from being a perennial winner and that's a long way away from where it was when Kubiak took over. So, I'm not going to go out of my way to defend him like I used to but I still don't think that the ire a lot of people on this board have for Kubiak is justified.
Good post.

At one point I was a big kubiak supporter. But after all these years Ive seen a pattern. And that pattern is losing and for the most part coming up short In key situations.

I hope that changes this year with a competent d coordinator on board.
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I'm just going to throw this out there so I won't be accused of flip-flopping later (as some people are already starting to say.)

I don't think Kubiak is a bad head coach at all. I would have fired him after last season because 6-10 was simply not good enough and ultimately that defense is his fault -- those were the coaches that he wanted and their decisions were his decisions.

But every coach has good and bad years -- Cowher had several 6-10 seasons. Sometimes all their decisions seem to turn out good and sometimes they turn out bad. A lot of people have gotten their panties in a wad about things I don't consider bad decisions (like the half-back throw) but ultimately, it's the end-result that counts and that hasn't been good enough. That's why i would have fired him fully expecting him to go to another team as an HC and win a SB.

I think this team has been built to a point where it is just a piece or two away from being a perennial winner and that's a long way away from where it was when Kubiak took over. So, I'm not going to go out of my way to defend him like I used to but I still don't think that the ire a lot of people on this board have for Kubiak is justified.
Pretty much what I feel. Don't know about SB winner but I would say that about Jimmy Johnson or Bill Belicheck as well. You just can't predict what a coach will do with a new team.
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I bet Jason Garrett gets Coach of the Year in 2011. Turning around a 6-10 Cowboys team in 'the toughest division of the NFL'. It's a good setup for a team in that position.
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I bet Jason Garrett gets Coach of the Year in 2011. Turning around a 6-10 Cowboys team in 'the toughest division of the NFL'. It's a good setup for a team in that position.
There is an implicit assumption in that statement.
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Coach of the year for turning a team around in 6 years? I think that award may be reserved for the coaches who do it in their first year or two.
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But every coach has good and bad years -- Cowher had several 6-10 seasons.
Don't mean to split hairs but Cowher had TWO 6-10 seasons. "Several" is MORE than two, sometime more than three, but never less than three.

And he did it in a span of 15 years. Kubiak managed to equal him in 5.
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Well I guess if Obama can be elected president anything is possible.
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Coach of the year for turning a team around in 6 years? I think that award may be reserved for the coaches who do it in their first year or two.
Not if you look at the history of the people who've won the award.

Most notably is Dick Jauron. With the Bears he went:

1999- 6-10
2000- 5-11
2001- 13-3
2002- 4-12
2003- 7-9

In 2001 after two horrible seasons and then on bright spot blip in the radar, he won coach of the year.

Ray Rhodes went:

1998- 3-13
1999- 6-9-1
2000- 10-6
2001- 10-6

He won COTY in 2000 after just going 10-6.

If the Texans were to go 14-2 or 13-3, Kubiak would be in the running.
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Don't mean to split hairs but Cowher had TWO 6-10 seasons. "Several" is MORE than two, sometime more than three, but never less than three.

And he did it in a span of 15 years. Kubiak managed to equal him in 5.
My memory is irrelevant to the point which is that even good coaches sometimes have down years.

And Cowher took over a team that was in much better condition than the team Kubiak took over.
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My memory is irrelevant to the point which is that even good coaches sometimes have down years.

And Cowher took over a team that was in much better condition than the team Kubiak took over.
The difference is that Kubes has never shown that he's a good coach. Only the opposite.

And Cowher didn't take over some great team either. They weren't as bad as the 2-14 Texans, but they weren't a great team at the time.
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I can actually see this happening if the Texans make the playoffs. I don't like Kubiak but love the Texans so I would be happy if he did win because it would mean that the Texans had a pretty good season. Although going to the playoffs is simply not enough to warrant Kubiak keeping his job imo. What if we make the playoffs and get absolutely demolished? Kubiak is in a position where I think he has to not only take the Texans to the playoffs but also demonstrate some success at that point. I don't envy the man.
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The difference is that Kubes has never shown that he's a good coach. Only the opposite.

And Cowher didn't take over some great team either. They weren't as bad as the 2-14 Texans, but they weren't a great team at the time.
A 7-9 team is a lot better than a 2-14 team.
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A 7-9 team is a lot better than a 2-14 team.
I said they weren't as bad, but you guys need to stop acting like Kubiak took over some HS team. He took over a very bad team just like a ton of other coaches have and we've seen time and time again just since Kubes got hired other coaches take their teams to playoffs even in one season, but several in two. That whole myth around here got debunked several times already and Kubiak's poor decisions are why this team missed the playoffs especially two seasons ago by letting Chris Brown the RB be the savior of 3 different games in which he failed miserably every time. Those calls were on Kubes. He's had 5 years now and outside of Denver and Houston where his homers are, he is thought of as one of the worst HC's in the league. I've had a ton of friends from other states who root for other teams ask me again and again why he is still here.
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Just a reminder, as I understand COTY is based on one year not a historical review. I do think voters look at the revious year, in other words if coach A was 10-6 in 2010 coach B was 6-10, coach B would get the nod. I think other factors such as injuries play a part. So saying Kubiak had 4 losing seasons has nothing to do with 2011 COTY.
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If the Texans were to go 14-2 or 13-3, Kubiak would be in the running.
Any coach that goes 14-2 or 13-3 is in the running for COY.

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But every coach has good and bad years -- Cowher had several 6-10 seasons.
Cowher had two 6-10 seasons. Not several. What he had several of were playoff appearances. 10 in 15 seasons. Please, please do not make comparisons of Gary Kubiak to Bill Cowher. It's foolish.
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