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Old 07-14-2011   #1
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It seems like a day doesn't go by without some buzz about the Texans trying to trade Steve Slaton before the start of the 2011 season - if there is a season.

Allow me to throw in my two cents, and consider this your daily buzz on Slaton trade talk.

Slaton (5-9, 210) is 25 years old and entering his fourth season in the league. The Texans third round pick in 2008 is in the final year of his contract and is part of a very crowded backfield with Arian Foster, Ben Tate and Derrick Ward. He is due to make $1.2 million this season.

After a sensational rookie season, Slaton sustained a neck injury in 2009 which led to off-season surgery to repair a disk and fuse two vertebrae in his cervical spine. The neck injury and symptomatic weakness in his right arm and hand were perceived to have contributed to his fumbling problems during the 2009 season.

Despite the season ending injury to Ben Tate in the first game of preseason in 2010, Slaton's role was reduced significantly last year as Derrick Ward took over the RB2 spot. Slaton, who was given a clean bill of health following the neck surgery, had only 22 touches in 12 games along with 39 kickoff returns for a meager 19.7 yards per return.

So what could the Texans reasonably expect in trade for Slaton?

Like the real estate market, let's look at some comps - although there aren't many recent running back trades that compare well to Slaton.

Leon Washington (5-8, 195) might be the best in a weak set of comparisons. Washington is 28 years old and 5 year veteran. The Jets received a fifth round pick from Seattle in exchange for Washington and a seventh-round pick in April 2010. Primarily a third-down back and kick returner when with the Jets, Washington had received a second round tender from the Jets prior to the trade and was coming off a compound leg fracture suffered mid-way through the 2009 season. Washington had three kickoff returns for touchdown last season for Seattle and has only six fumbles in five seasons as a pro.

J.J. Arrington (5-9, 212) may not be a fair straight-up comparison to Slaton but it's a data point



Lawrence Maroney (5-11, 220) isn't a good role-comparison to Slaton but his trade last season is another data point.


http://www.examiner.com/houston-texa...s-trade-market
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Nothing like a cold dose of reality for all the guys thinking we could get a 2nd or 3rd rnd pick for him.
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Nothing like a cold dose of reality for all the guys thinking we could get a 2nd or 3rd rnd pick for him.
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Nothing like a cold dose of reality for all the guys thinking we could get a 2nd or 3rd rnd pick for him.
Who is thinking we can get a 2nd or 3rd for him?
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I heard a good analogy for trading young players. Drafting a player is like buying a new car, you draft/buy them based on potential and a short test drive. You have seen other people drive it but until you get it home and have it for a few weeks you really don't know. Once you drive it off the lot though, it loses value. Same as with a draft pick, we took slaton in the 3rd but now that we've got him everyone in the neighborhood has seen how he drives. It might have seemed like we got a good deal at first but he stalled out a few times now and everyone knows it. A few years go by and you wanna sell the car to your neighbor, he has seen you driving it (and that you have been driving your other car more often). No way is he gonna pay anywhere near what you paid for it. On the other hand he might still want it bc he feels like he knows cars and maybe he just might be able to fix it up and run better for him that in did for you.

We arent getting more than a 6th rounder for slaton, but he is a back up at the moment and thats most likely what a 6th rounder would get us, but in a position we need more depth in. And there is always the off chance that you hit it big and find a good player there that can do more. Either way its cutting from where we are deep for potential help where we are thin.
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We arent getting more than a 6th rounder for slaton, but he is a back up at the moment and thats most likely what a 6th rounder would get us, but in a position we need more depth in. And there is always the off chance that you hit it big and find a good player there that can do more. Either way its cutting from where we are deep for potential help where we are thin.
I agree with this.

However, I believe he has more value to us as a back up to the back up of our back up than a 6th round pick.

He'll be the highest paid 4th string running back in the league.... but that's ok, not my money.

If something happens to any one of the RBs ahead of Slaton on the depth chart (one of the most brutal positions mind you) we are ahead of the game with Slaton on the bench, than a 6th round pick in the bank.

Try to remember, last year our strongest position was LB. By game 7 we were signing people off the street to suit up on Sunday (hyperbole).

Arian Foster is special. There is no doubt about that. We know Ward is not a feature back. We have no clue what Tate is going to look like, much less if he has to carry the load. We know Slate had an injury that caused some fumbles.... he had corrective surgery... & we know Kubiak won't play an UDFA rookie until week 14.

I don't want to lose that 6th round pick.

All I'm saying is keep him until the trade deadline.
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Slaton could have good value going to a team that needs him for the same reasons we drafted him: 3rd down back. He had a GREAT rookie season, but teams now know what he can do. He's a poor man's Reggie Bush, only better or a poor man's Barry Sanders, only worse. Get him in space and he's a playmaker. Run him between the tackles, he's a liabilty. Kubiak runs too balanced of an attack for SS to be effective as a RB on a consistent basis.
I've been saying that since his rookie year.
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Slaton could have good value going to a team that needs him for the same reasons we drafted him: 3rd down back. He had a GREAT rookie season, but teams now know what he can do. He's a poor man's Reggie Bush, only better or a poor man's Barry Sanders, only worse. Get him in space and he's a playmaker. Run him between the tackles, he's a liabilty. Kubiak runs too balanced of an attack for SS to be effective as a RB on a consistent basis.
I've been saying that since his rookie year.
That's not true.

We'll show case him in the preseason as a competent back-up/3rd down back, and a play-maker at that.
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That's not true.

We'll show case him in the preseason as a competent back-up/3rd down back, and a play-maker at that.
You just moved to Homerville Heights with this post, TK.
Anyone who's watched SS run knows he's a bounce it outside kinda guy. When he tries it up the gut, most of the time he gets flung to the ground like a sticky booger by a DT.
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why would anyone trade for slaton when we dont need him?
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You just moved to Homerville Heights with this post, TK.
Anyone who's watched SS run knows he's a bounce it outside kinda guy. When he tries it up the gut, most of the time he gets flung to the ground like a sticky booger by a DT.
If you/ve got evidence of this, I'd love to see it.

This is a Steve Slaton highlight. Most of it is from 2008, but were questioning his toughness. He's not MJD, but he is one tough little Son.

The fumbling issue was his only real problem. He had surgery to correct that, we haven't seen enough since, to know if that has been fixed or not.

As a third down back, his carries would not be like what he experienced in 2008, which probably caused the problem to begin with. But every time he's been on the field since, he's shown that he might be that guy.
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I agree with this.

However, I believe he has more value to us as a back up to the back up of our back up than a 6th round pick.

He'll be the highest paid 4th string running back in the league.... but that's ok, not my money.

If something happens to any one of the RBs ahead of Slaton on the depth chart (one of the most brutal positions mind you) we are ahead of the game with Slaton on the bench, than a 6th round pick in the bank.

Try to remember, last year our strongest position was LB. By game 7 we were signing people off the street to suit up on Sunday (hyperbole).

Arian Foster is special. There is no doubt about that. We know Ward is not a feature back. We have no clue what Tate is going to look like, much less if he has to carry the load. We know Slate had an injury that caused some fumbles.... he had corrective surgery... & we know Kubiak won't play an UDFA rookie until week 14.

I don't want to lose that 6th round pick.

All I'm saying is keep him until the trade deadline.
What I was gonna post. i would not take a 5th round for him right now. He is more valuable on this roster. Now as season starts... backs start going down league wide we may get more or maybe trade player for a need position.
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why would anyone trade for slaton when we dont need him?
Team A wants him but know team B and maybe team C could use him. Does team A wait for Texans to cut him and hope they outbid B & C? That is pretty risky. If you can fill a need position with say a mid to late 4th
or a backup at a deep position.
We don't need Slaton now but a Ben Tate injury happens in pre-season (theoretically) & you are down to 2 RBs.
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slaton's value is worth a 7th at most. we should just let the guy walk with a big thank you for the one good season and give him a shot somewhere else. still might have something left
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slaton's value is worth a 7th at most. we should just let the guy walk with a big thank you for the one good season and give him a shot somewhere else. still might have something left
What are you talking about? Can you back that up with anything?
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bad part with slaton is no extra value on kick returns


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The pros on Slaton is that he's young, his knees are good, he's not expensive, and he's proven that he can be a very productive player in the NFL, given his rookie season performance.

The cons on Slaton are primarily that he hasn't played well since his rookie season and although he was healthy last year he was not able to emerge as a viable backup to Arian Foster. Slaton was below average as a kickoff returner and if he wants to resurrect his NFL career he still needs to prove over the course of a season that his fumbling issues are behind him.

All things considered, a fifth round pick for Slaton is probably the top end of his market range with the most likely being a sixth or a conditional fifth depending on Slaton's production in 2011. A strong preseason would obviously help his marketability.

kinda hard to argue with that. esp with the examples given
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