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........the Texans could crash and burn. Thinking SMART will have to become a new trend...........an unfamiliar path to date.
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Free agent period will separate best front offices from the rest


We don’t know when free agency will start. We do know that the craziest period of NFL player movement is on its way, which gives front offices a unique opportunity to separate from one another.

“What’s going to happen is you’re going to have some inexperienced general managers and owners go crazy early on,” one longtime G.M. told SI.com’s Don Banks. “They’re going to think, ‘I’ve got to go out and do something crazy. This is my window of opportunity.’ But I think that’s absolutely the wrong move.

“There are so many free agents and so many guys out there that if you’re just patient, you can wind up with some good players at really good value and not put yourself out there [at risk] with a couple mega-deals.”

We agree with all of that, especially the good value part. There are essentially two free agent classes available because of the restrictive 2010 rules. On top of that, teams were hesitant to hand out long-term deals before the lockout, which left even more quality players available. On Friday’s PFT Live, we talked about the impressive depth of this free agent group.

Good front offices should be able to find young, quality value without overpaying. Still, some teams will go gaga for veterans.

“That’s going to happen, I promise you,” the general manager told Banks. “A couple of these guys are going to say, ‘Hey, we’re going to be aggressive. We’ve got a fat wallet and we’re raring to go.’ I just hope those teams are in our division. Because when you go back over the history of free agency, it rarely works out with the big-money guys. Just look at the last five years or so, with Albert Haynesworth, Joey Porter or Terrell Owens.”

Front offices may only get a few days to learn the new rules before they start spending. It’s going to be a fascinating time to watch how teams work.

This free agent period should reverberate for years after, rewarding those teams that were most nimble and wise identifying talent.
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Aso, Aso, Aso!!!
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U know what scares me our Front office F/A track record hasent been stellar .... : I
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I think our front office needs some pressure on it anyway. Otherwise, they'll never sign FAs at all, unless they are very old, very much passed their prime, and CHEAP.
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Default Re: If Past History is Any Predictor..........

Good front offices should be able to find young, quality value without overpaying. Still, some teams will go gaga for veterans.

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Aso, Aso, Aso!!!
What the fans want is exactly what the article says is the wrong path.
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If this story is true then, Texans fans are screwed.
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........the Texans could crash and burn. Thinking SMART will have to become a new trend...........an unfamiliar path to date.
ANd how is this different than past off seasons? There is always a team or two that over pays.
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I think our front office needs some pressure on it anyway. Otherwise, they'll never sign FAs at all, unless they are very old, very much passed their prime, and CHEAP.
You mean other than guys like Anthony Weaver & Antonio Smith.... old & cheap...... not really.

neither is KDub, Dressen, & Wade Smith (maybe cheap, but not old.)

I honestly do not believe money is an issue, when you consider what we paid Robaire Smith, & I can't remember their names, but those guys for our offensive line.... Then Antonio Smith & Anthony Weaver's contracts.....

money isn't the issue.

We've paid as much for scrubs as what other teams pay for the top FA....... most likely because we couldn't throw enough money at the top FAs...... they wouldn't have come to Houston for anything.
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You mean other than guys like Anthony Weaver & Antonio Smith.... old & cheap...... not really.

neither is KDub, Dressen, & Wade Smith (maybe cheap, but not old.)

I honestly do not believe money is an issue, when you consider what we paid Robaire Smith, & I can't remember their names, but those guys for our offensive line.... Then Antonio Smith & Anthony Weaver's contracts.....

money isn't the issue.

We've paid as much for scrubs as what other teams pay for the top FA....... most likely because we couldn't throw enough money at the top FAs...... they wouldn't have come to Houston for anything.
You speak as if Antonio Smith is garbage/Weaver level. Smith is one of the bright spots on our defense.
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You speak as if Antonio Smith is garbage/Weaver level. Smith is one of the bright spots on our defense.
I speak of FA we spent a lot of money on. Players who should have been in their prime. While they may not have got break the bank money, I see no reason to believe the Texans wouldn't pay out the nose if the right situation came along.

Aso, $20M a year may be that situation. But if they get in a room with Nnamdi & feel he has no intention of playing for the Houston Texans...... I doubt they'll offer him $50M just to say they did.
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I think the pressure of such a speedy market/situation might bring out good things.
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I speak of FA we spent a lot of money on. Players who should have been in their prime. While they may not have got break the bank money, I see no reason to believe the Texans wouldn't pay out the nose if the right situation came along.

Aso, $20M a year may be that situation. But if they get in a room with Nnamdi & feel he has no intention of playing for the Houston Texans...... I doubt they'll offer him $50M just to say they did.
Lets just say we disagree.

Rick and Gary have failed to set up an enviornment that will attract top FA's. This should be one of the most important aspects of Ricks job. That and the hiring the scouting Dept and drafting the correct players to make this team a winner.

So far Rick has failed at his job for 6 yrs and counting.
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I speak of FA we spent a lot of money on. Players who should have been in their prime. While they may not have got break the bank money, I see no reason to believe the Texans wouldn't pay out the nose if the right situation came along.

Aso, $20M a year may be that situation. But if they get in a room with Nnamdi & feel he has no intention of playing for the Houston Texans...... I doubt they'll offer him $50M just to say they did.
I'm not sure about that. Rick Smith has to be feeling the pressure as much as Kubiak. After all, the drafts have been his baby and we play as many, or more, of our own draft picks as any other teams in the league, and we've been....less than successful so far.
Smith might feel it's time to make that blockbuster deal happen and get Houston (and himself) in the headlines for something other than being failures to date. Signing Aso would definitely accomplish that.
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As another thread stated we could most likely get Joseph and Weddle for the same price as Aso. Joseph + Weddle > Aso. I agree with spending some money in FA for some quality talent but at the same time you don't want to cripple the team financially with dead money like we've been in the past.
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Too bad Rick didn't draft Joseph.

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As another thread stated we could most likely get Joseph and Weddle for the same price as Aso. Joseph + Weddle > Aso. I agree with spending some money in FA for some quality talent but at the same time you don't want to cripple the team financially with dead money like we've been in the past.
I wouldn't consider a high $$ contract for any of those players as dead money. Those are quality players that deliver the good for the $$ payed. Too often the Texans have paid high-ish $$ contracts for other teams scrubs and cast-offs. Aso is a proven talent with no issues so why not make him an offer he can't refuse? It's not like making a deal with the devil for Haynesworth or anything.
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I'm not sure about that. Rick Smith has to be feeling the pressure as much as Kubiak. After all, the drafts have been his baby and we play as many, or more, of our own draft picks as any other teams in the league, and we've been....less than successful so far.
Smith might feel it's time to make that blockbuster deal happen and get Houston (and himself) in the headlines for something other than being failures to date. Signing Aso would definitely accomplish that.
I think Wade could be whispering in his ear also. Phillips got what he wanted in draft so why not in FA?
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As another thread stated we could most likely get Joseph and Weddle for the same price as Aso. Joseph + Weddle > Aso. I agree with spending some money in FA for some quality talent but at the same time you don't want to cripple the team financially with dead money like we've been in the past.
Weddle and Joseph could just as easily lead to dead money as ASO, more likely in my mind.
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Weddle and Joseph could just as easily lead to dead money as ASO, more likely in my mind.
Steve, anything could happen but why would you think "more likely"?
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