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Is Joseph a better signing than Asomugha?

cland

cland

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One of the common misconceptions I see around the forums--typically in the "Bob McNair is so cheap..." type comments--seems to suggest that team salary is unlimited and that any aversion towards signing a free agent is because the owner wants to stuff more money in his pockets.

In reality the total amount of salary a team commits to one position, comes out of the pool for all other positions. This is one of the reasons smart drafting teams do so well...a star player selected from halfway through the first round and down works cheap.

So if you agree with all that, then I'll get on to my point. Darell Revis's latest contract pays him roughly 16 Million per year, so we'll put Nnamdi at that price. Jonathan Joseph's agent is quoted as saying that he's looking for 8 Million a year in his new contract.

So if you extrapolate a bit, would you rather have a pair of corners featuring Nnamdi / Kareem (assuming KJ works for 0) or Joseph / Joseph; in this hypothetical they both cost 16 million per year.

Looking into the future, Jonathan also has age on his side as he's 3 years younger than Nnamdi. If you look at a five year contract, 3 years from now you can see the difference between signing a player that is towards the end of their prime (30), and one who's just started it (27).

I'm as impatient as anyone and would do a happy dance with either one, but what else do we have to talk about?
 
cland said:
One of the common misconceptions I see around the forums--typically in the "Bob McNair is so cheap..." type comments--seems to suggest that team salary is unlimited and that any aversion towards signing a free agent is because the owner wants to stuff more money in his pockets.

In reality the total amount of salary a team commits to one position, comes out of the pool for all other positions. This is one of the reasons smart drafting teams do so well...a star player selected from halfway through the first round and down works cheap.

So if you agree with all that, then I'll get on to my point. Darell Revis's latest contract pays him roughly 16 Million per year, so we'll put Nnamdi at that price. Jonathan Joseph's agent is quoted as saying that he's looking for 8 Million a year in his new contract.

So if you extrapolate a bit, would you rather have a pair of corners featuring Nnamdi / Kareem (assuming KJ works for 0) or Joseph / Joseph; in this hypothetical they both cost 16 million per year.

Looking into the future, Jonathan also has age on his side as he's 3 years younger than Nnamdi. If you look at a five year contract, 3 years from now you can see the difference between signing a player that is towards the end of their prime (30), and one who's just started it (27).

I'm as impatient as anyone and would do a happy dance with either one, but what else do we have to talk about?
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That is pure nonsense because KJ does NOT work for 0 and you can't assume that for arguments sake or any other. You are correct in saying that paying a lot for one position affects all others.
I'm not in the "McNair is cheap" crowd. I'm glad we don't get in salary cap hell by paying UFA's a ton of money for a last hurrah. FA is not this clubs problem. The draft is. We start more drafted players than anyone in the league, I believe. The problem is that no other team in the NFL would start 30-40% of our players, especially on D. We have left a ton of players on the draft boards who have turned out to be solid starters/superstars. That's been our Achille's Heel for 9 seasons.
Aso is one FA I would break the bank on, though. No issues, whatsoever. Good, solid player. Good, solid person. He's the AJ of the defense.
EDIT: You have to throw coaching and the GM into the Achille's Heel pot. I would say scouting, but we don't know how often they get ignored or overruled. I guess that makes us a victim of 3 Achille's Heels. No wonder we show up Sundays looking like a three legged dog.
 
I'll say this, if/when they don't sign Asomugha......they had better put the Brinks truck in gear and back it up at this man's house. We MUST have a better CB in free agency. It HAS to happen.
 
Assuming that extra money goes toward improving another position, I'd rather sign a Jonathan Joseph or Richard Marshall.

I'd certainly rather have Joseph/Marshall + Sidney Rice / Vincent Jackson / Pass rushing OLB than just Asomugha. But, if we are just going to sign one impact player and then sign our own guys and "build through the draft," I'd rather get the best guy out there, and that is obviously Asomugha.
 
I would sign Joseph because I think our pass rush will be on point this year which will take the pressure off any of the DBs.
 
vupac1 said:
Joseph + Weddle > Aso + Staying pat with the guys we have
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IMO, I agree with this statement. However, there are reasons why I'd like to still just get Aso if we could.

1. Aso, has proven to be a shut down corner without real safety help. His safety was Michael Huff and we don't know who the other guy is.

2. Aso is going to improve our younger guys who are going to be around alot longer like Jackson, Quin and Mccain.

3. As a fanbase, we would finally be able to put to rest that Bob Mcnair is or isn't cheap.

Don't get me wrong, as I said before, I agree with the above statement. But let's get two good players if we can get the one great player, because either way I'm seeing us trying to do something about our team.
 
Based upon what I think it's gonna take to get each guy, I'd say value-wise Joseph would be a better sign. Remember we've got other needs besides CB.
 
BTW, I'd be OK with declining Aso and going after a CB and S combo if the Aso thing can't be done.

Either one will make me happy, though it'd be arguably easier to tie Aso money up into TWO players rather than one. That way if ONE of the two guys doesn't work, you can lose him and keep the one guy who was worth it.

Tying up the bank in Aso means it's Aso and nothing else.
 
Let me set up my premise first by saying we franchised Dunta Robinson for $10 m & even today many said we should have done it again for about $11-12m. Having said that sign both Joseph (8) & ASO (16) for 24 or avg $12 m each. Cut a whole lot of crap to get there financially.
 
badboy said:
Let me set up my premise first by saying we franchised Dunta Robinson for $10 m & even today many said we should have done it again for about $11-12m. Having said that sign both Joseph (8) & ASO (16) for 24 or avg $12 m each. Cut a whole lot of crap to get there financially.
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Aso and Joseph? Sounds good to me. Sounds real good.

It'd be just like Bob to do some crazy **** like that all of a sudden. Just when you think you got him figured out, he could go and surprise us all.
 
I'd be fine with Joseph as an option B. I think that going hard for Aso would send a strong message to the fanbase and players that the organization wants to win. That, and I'd rather have Aso.
 
DocBar said:
That is pure nonsense because KJ does NOT work for 0 and you can't assume that for arguments sake or any other. You are correct in saying that paying a lot for one position affects all others.
I'm not in the "McNair is cheap" crowd. I'm glad we don't get in salary cap hell by paying UFA's a ton of money for a last hurrah.
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Well it is nonsense, but I would have thought that cloning Joseph and playing him at two positions would have stood out more. Adding in Kareem's salary is just more evidence that a 16.25 million dollar+ cornerback is a huge investment, especially when the cornerback turned 30 two days ago. I agree with everyone in that our secondary was trash last year, but I don't want the Texans to over-react and put their future on the line to fix the problem.

The differential in cash involved concerns me when we have Mario Williams and Arian Foster** coming up next year for new deals. Maybe it could be looked at as Nnamdi - Mario/Foster vs. Joseph + Mario/Foster.

I do agree that Nnamdi is at least tied for the best CB in the league, and would perform the best at CB in 2012. My problem is that after I've waited for 10 years (see I'm not Rick Smith,) when we finally do get to the playoffs that we're not a flash in the pan, who has to release key players the following year. Good drafting teams and smart spending teams have the opportunity to get in the playoffs, remain in the playoffs, and hopefully one year put all the pieces together to win it all.

Like others have mentioned, I'd much rather see Joseph + FA Safety (Weddle, Goldson, Landry) than just one single CB. If you thought Kareem got targeted last year, just imagine if he has Nnamdi on one side and two inexperienced safeties behind him. I also think about the Patriots who let Ty Law and Asante Samuel go get paid elsewhere rather than overextend themselves.

**Foster will actually be an RFA, so his big payday will come the following year.
 
IMO, I think it is better for us to sign multiple players with the money we would give Asomugha. Sure, Asomugha is an all-pro beast, but a signing with that much money involved might cripple us in the long term. (Don't get me wrong if we do somehow sign Asomugha I would be ecstatic) We don't know how the new cap is going to look, and we still have players that either need or are going to need new contracts. We need to re-sign Leach, and Foster is going to get paid at the end of the day. We have to also think about how much Mario is going to get (If we re-sign him). IMO, a combo of Joseph + Safety or WR is much better than just Asomugha. Also, if one player doesn't work out we can cut/trade him and not be stuck with a huge contract.
 
i dont think there's a wrong choice here. i'd usually go with the pair of good players instead of one great, but in this case i'd go with nnamdi. aso's not just a great player, he's the best in football at a top 3 position. at just about any other position (except quarterback) i'd take value - but here i think aso fills more holes than multiple FA's would, which makes him the value pick.
 
The more I think about it, the more strongly I feel that I'd rather have Asomugha than 2 good players. He's a superstar. A very rare breed that can shut down half of a field that allows another player to free up and lets the defense as a whole get more exotic. Would you rather have LeBron James or Andre Iguadala and Russel Westbrook?
 
cland said:
Well it is nonsense, but I would have thought that cloning Joseph and playing him at two positions would have stood out more. Adding in Kareem's salary is just more evidence that a 16.25 million dollar+ cornerback is a huge investment, especially when the cornerback turned 30 two days ago. I agree with everyone in that our secondary was trash last year, but I don't want the Texans to over-react and put their future on the line to fix the problem.

The differential in cash involved concerns me when we have Mario Williams and Arian Foster** coming up next year for new deals. Maybe it could be looked at as Nnamdi - Mario/Foster vs. Joseph + Mario/Foster.

I do agree that Nnamdi is at least tied for the best CB in the league, and would perform the best at CB in 2012. My problem is that after I've waited for 10 years (see I'm not Rick Smith,) when we finally do get to the playoffs that we're not a flash in the pan, who has to release key players the following year. Good drafting teams and smart spending teams have the opportunity to get in the playoffs, remain in the playoffs, and hopefully one year put all the pieces together to win it all.

Like others have mentioned, I'd much rather see Joseph + FA Safety (Weddle, Goldson, Landry) than just one single CB. If you thought Kareem got targeted last year, just imagine if he has Nnamdi on one side and two inexperienced safeties behind him. I also think about the Patriots who let Ty Law and Asante Samuel go get paid elsewhere rather than overextend themselves.

**Foster will actually be an RFA, so his big payday will come the following year.
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We can let some guys go day one allowed and next year the guys from last two drafts should replace others. i am tired of waiting for next year. I do not usually want to overpay but an avg of $15m for Asomopugha is a good deal.
 
First of all, though it is quite possible, it is not a lock that Nams leaves Oaktown. He has all of his charities and family in the area, so don't discount him staying put. However, with that said, I also wouldn't be surprised to see Nams try another team with another defensive scheme. In Oakland, the opposing QB's just stay away from him and can do so because of the man-to-man coverage Oakland uses. If Nams played in Ryan's system in NY, it would become obvious to those that don't know how good Nams really is. Now, will the Texans get him? Who knows. Too many teams want Nams, because they realize he is the best CB in the NFL, and he soon be available. Just don't rule out Al Davis cutting Nams another big check.
 
I think its hysterical to think that Joseph's contract is going to be that much cheaper than whatever Asomugha gets, You might as well sign Aso because JJoseph is going to try to get as close to whatever he gets as he can.
 
cland said:
Well it is nonsense, but I would have thought that cloning Joseph and playing him at two positions would have stood out more. Adding in Kareem's salary is just more evidence that a 16.25 million dollar+ cornerback is a huge investment, especially when the cornerback turned 30 two days ago. I agree with everyone in that our secondary was trash last year, but I don't want the Texans to over-react and put their future on the line to fix the problem.
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It might not be popular opinion here, but I don't believe it is absolutely imperative that we get Aso, Joseph, or any other veteran corner.

The secondary was bad last year, but I believe it was more due to a soft defensive mindset, technique, & coaching philosophy.

When they played aggressive they played well enough for us to get back into games. Shutting down the same offenses that were putting up 30 points against us & driving up & down the field.

If we can't land Aso, Joseph, or whoever I don't believe our season would be a wash.

In fact, if we can add a star next to Andre on offence (read Plaxico Burress), making our offence unstoppable, keeping our defense off the field (something we struggled to do last year) I think we would be doing just as well.
 
thunderkyss said:
It might not be popular opinion here, but I don't believe it is absolutely imperative that we get Aso, Joseph, or any other veteran corner.

The secondary was bad last year, but I believe it was more due to a soft defensive mindset, technique, & coaching philosophy.

When they played aggressive they played well enough for us to get back into games. Shutting down the same offenses that were putting up 30 points against us & driving up & down the field.

If we can't land Aso, Joseph, or whoever I don't believe our season would be a wash.

In fact, if we can add a star next to Andre on offence (read Plaxico Burress), making our offence unstoppable, keeping our defense off the field (something we struggled to do last year) I think we would be doing just as well.
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Tk. Neither one of our starting safety's are still on the team. Gq is probably going to Fs.

Kareem Jackson gave up big plays like he was playing for the other team. Jason Allen would be the most reliable option at the position to start the season off. We have two rookies that are probably going to have to play rather significant roles. Brice McCain is too soft, struggles with zone and with bigger receivers. Molden is molden.

Maybe the corners ay a bit better in wades scheme.

But I don't care how bad the coaching is, how screwed up the psyche of the players is. . .you don't get torched as a secondary like we did last year without some incredibly bad players.

If the texans dont sign a vet corner in FA they have failed to give this team the best chance possible to Make the playoffs.
 
I, too, think the DBs will be better under Wade's tutelage. However, if you can make your team better without giving up valuable picks or players, you should do it. I can give up end of bench players to create $ for stars. Then the pressure is off the younger guys who can learn from the vets.
 
Rey said:
If the texans dont sign a vet corner in FA they have failed to give this team the best chance possible to Make the playoffs.
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I agree it would best if we could get Aso. I agree it would be great if we can get Joseph or Grimes.

All I'm saying is that the Colts can get into the playoffs with rookie corners & Bob Sanders on the bench.
 
thunderkyss said:
I agree it would best if we could get Aso. I agree it would be great if we can get Joseph or Grimes.

All I'm saying is that the Colts can get into the playoffs with rookie corners & Bob Sanders on the bench.
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The f------ Colts can get into the playoffs, TK, because they play in the f------ AFC South. OK?

(Sigh)

Have you forgotten that? The Titans imploded completely, the Texans do what the Texans do every year, and the Jags almost made the playoffs had they beaten the Texans in the last game. The Jags couldn't beat the Texans in the last game, which is just hilarious.

The AFC South is not that hard, except that the Colts can just be consistent and wait for the other three stooges to screw themselves out of contention each year. Not that hard, if we look at it through the prism of reality and not try to convolute it.

Also, man, I'm getting tired of you trying to spread Sunshine Mustard all over this Turdburger here. First you're saying Slaton is running better NOW than he did in his ONLY productive year (2008), and now you're in here trying to say that our secondary is not THAT bad and that we DON'T need the help we all know we damn sure need here.

What gives? Unable to accept cold, hard facts and live on Planet Reality? The need to try and act like things are not what they seem? The desire to try and just be a positive guy rather than succumb to negativity? Because it was one thing to theorize Slaton is running better NOW...but it's another thing to come right off the heels of that and say we don't need the help we need via a top-tier CB and/or S and/or both.

You see a pattern here? You're following a self-made formula you've concocted and applying it to everything that sucks here. Not buying any of it. I love divergent thinking, don't get me wrong, but divergent thinking is great only in rare and special cases with a dash of conventionalism to glue it all together. Nothing rare or special here for the Texans, TK...just good old-fashioned SUCK in certain areas that need quality-based correction.
 
GP said:
The f------ Colts can get into the playoffs, TK, because they play in the f------ AFC South. OK?

(Sigh)

Have you forgotten that? The Titans imploded completely, the Texans do what the Texans do every year, and the Jags almost made the playoffs had they beaten the Texans in the last game. The Jags couldn't beat the Texans in the last game, which is just hilarious.

The AFC South is not that hard, except that the Colts can just be consistent and wait for the other three stooges to screw themselves out of contention each year. Not that hard, if we look at it through the prism of reality and not try to convolute it.

Also, man, I'm getting tired of you trying to spread Sunshine Mustard all over this Turdburger here. First you're saying Slaton is running better NOW than he did in his ONLY productive year (2008), and now you're in here trying to say that our secondary is not THAT bad and that we DON'T need the help we all know we damn sure need here.

What gives? Unable to accept cold, hard facts and live on Planet Reality? The need to try and act like things are not what they seem? The desire to try and just be a positive guy rather than succumb to negativity? Because it was one thing to theorize Slaton is running better NOW...but it's another thing to come right off the heels of that and say we don't need the help we need via a top-tier CB and/or S and/or both.

You see a pattern here? You're following a self-made formula you've concocted and applying it to everything that sucks here. Not buying any of it. I love divergent thinking, don't get me wrong, but divergent thinking is great only in rare and special cases with a dash of conventionalism to glue it all together. Nothing rare or special here for the Texans, TK...just good old-fashioned SUCK in certain areas that need quality-based correction.
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GP, I read TKs post differently. He didn't say forget about FAs just if we don't get we might be ok. I agree with that. A lot went into 6-10 beside poor DBs including Brown, Cushing suspensions and injuries to Barwin and Ryans and others. Coaching was a huge part of the season imo. Realistically, it will be tough to take current roster far but could be a first round play off team.
 
hmmm i think its a rly difficult choice between aso or joseph & grimes. i suppose it depends on how you feel about kareem/allen/brice & mcmannis rly.

for me im fairly down on our cbs but aso would allow ALOT of help go to the other guys to protect them. on the other hand, if we somehow managed to land aso & gets injured anywhere down the line we're back to being totally screwed in the secondary. thats why id rather have 2 good (younger) guys than 1 great player that some guys might overlook.
 
badboy said:
GP, I read TKs post differently. He didn't say forget about FAs just if we don't get we might be ok. I agree with that. A lot went into 6-10 beside poor DBs including Brown, Cushing suspensions and injuries to Barwin and Ryans and others. Coaching was a huge part of the season imo. Realistically, it will be tough to take current roster far but could be a first round play off team.
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Actually, most of what went into 6-10 was a really bad defense that was predicated upon really bad secondary play by Texans secondary players.

Again: Let's try to not be too fancy with what went wrong. Bad secondary playing, bad secondary players, and bad secondary coaching was the magical part of a most delicious meal for Texans opponents in 2010. We even lost to the Jags in our first meeting because a guy tried to knock the ball down rather than catch it. He could have caught it. But instead of doing the natural instinct, he batted it right into the hands of a Jags WR.

THAT play, IMO, was the defining play of that team in 2010. And it was made by a secondary player who was on a horrible, awful secondary that allowed a lot of other spectacular plays by opponents all season long.

I'd love to move Quin to safety, Kareem to CB3 or Nickel or whatever, and grab two more higher-level CBs via free agency. Keep Jason Allen on the roster and we have what I think could be a pretty good secondary since we now have Wade Phillips who will know how to put it together. I don't want Kareem Jackson out there as a CB1 nor as a CB2. I just don't. He needs to clear his mind and WATCH for awhile. Plus, he's a better roamer and not an out-on-an-island guy, IMO.
 
badboy said:
GP, I read TKs post differently. He didn't say forget about FAs just if we don't get we might be ok. I agree with that. A lot went into 6-10 beside poor DBs including Brown, Cushing suspensions and injuries to Barwin and Ryans and others. Coaching was a huge part of the season imo. Realistically, it will be tough to take current roster far but could be a first round play off team.
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Who do the Texans have better talent than?

New England, Jets, Steelers, Indy, Ravens, Chiefs, Chargers?

Plus I can see Miami/Cleveland/Denver improving and that doesn't inculde the Jags.

Do you see the dilema? The Texans have to improve their talent level/coaching. Signing Aso would be a start. Firing Gary would be the cherry on top. But we both know these things are not going to happen.
 
thunderkyss said:
I agree it would best if we could get Aso. I agree it would be great if we can get Joseph or Grimes.

All I'm saying is that the Colts can get into the playoffs with rookie corners & Bob Sanders on the bench.
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Different teams are successful for different reasons.

Just because the titans can get to the play offs with Vince young at qb doesn't mean the colts could do it.

Teams are built differently and have different strengths and weaknesses.

Colts have a devastating pass rush when both Mathis and freeny are healthy. Even one of them alone is a handful. They also play a different kind of defense than we play. They may not ask their corners to do the same things.

Then you have to look at how good and efficient their offense is. They have maybe the greatest ever at qb and he alone makes that team noticeably better. Maybe if we had Peyton we could go to the play offs with rookie corners too.

Maybe if we had bethea at safety we could trot rookie corners out there.

Overall their team is better. It's not really about one position it's about scheme, total team talent, and coaching.

Gb lost a lot if projected starters and guys who were supposed to contribute, but overall they ended up with enough of the other categories and they won the superbowl.

Speaking about the texans specifically what are you banking on to put us over the top that you feel will off set the need to upgrade our horrifically bad corners?


We have question marks in a lot if places. Even if we get a great corner it still wouldn't guarantee that we make the plays we need to or win enough games to get into the play offs.
 
Rookie corners might get you through the regular season and into the playoffs but I think that was part of the issue with Indy during the playoffs.
 
Maddict5 said:
hmmm i think its a rly difficult choice between aso or joseph & grimes. i suppose it depends on how you feel about kareem/allen/brice & mcmannis rly.

for me im fairly down on our cbs but aso would allow ALOT of help go to the other guys to protect them. on the other hand, if we somehow managed to land aso & gets injured anywhere down the line we're back to being totally screwed in the secondary. thats why id rather have 2 good (younger) guys than 1 great player that some guys might overlook.
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If the starter opposite ASo get hurts you replace with same type CB. Harris(who is my starter ahead of KJ) gets hurt, KJ, McMannis or Carmichael replaces.
 
GP said:
Actually, most of what went into 6-10 was a really bad defense that was predicated upon really bad secondary play by Texans secondary players.

Again: Let's try to not be too fancy with what went wrong. Bad secondary playing, bad secondary players, and bad secondary coaching was the magical part of a most delicious meal for Texans opponents in 2010. We even lost to the Jags in our first meeting because a guy tried to knock the ball down rather than catch it. He could have caught it. But instead of doing the natural instinct, he batted it right into the hands of a Jags WR.

THAT play, IMO, was the defining play of that team in 2010. And it was made by a secondary player who was on a horrible, awful secondary that allowed a lot of other spectacular plays by opponents all season long.

I'd love to move Quin to safety, Kareem to CB3 or Nickel or whatever, and grab two more higher-level CBs via free agency. Keep Jason Allen on the roster and we have what I think could be a pretty good secondary since we now have Wade Phillips who will know how to put it together. I don't want Kareem Jackson out there as a CB1 nor as a CB2. I just don't. He needs to clear his mind and WATCH for awhile. Plus, he's a better roamer and not an out-on-an-island guy, IMO.
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GP, Cosby Quin did exactly what he was supposed to do on that play, it just backfired. I agree with the rest of your post.
 
steelbtexan said:
Who do the Texans have better talent than?

New England, Jets, Steelers, Indy, Ravens, Chiefs, Chargers?

Plus I can see Miami/Cleveland/Denver improving and that doesn't inculde the Jags.

Do you see the dilema? The Texans have to improve their talent level/coaching. Signing Aso would be a start. Firing Gary would be the cherry on top. But we both know these things are not going to happen.
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Under the 3-4, IMO we are gonna be better than Tenn & Jacksonville and will play with the Colts. We could be division champs probably bowing out in first round. With ASO we go further. I not only see the dilema, I have been trumpeting since last season.
 
All I know is that the "plan" needs to be

1) different than 2010 i.e. kinda trying to get the 2nd or 3rd best CB in FA and seeing one particular rookie can do

or

2) what it looks like at the moment i.e. more than moving an ok CB to FS and draft a couple more roookies with the idea that the gazillion Dbs with 3 years or less experience can be "coached up"
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
All I know is that the "plan" needs to be

1) different than 2010 i.e. kinda trying to get the 2nd or 3rd best CB in FA and seeing one particular rookie can do

or

2) what it looks like at the moment i.e. more than moving an ok CB to FS and draft a couple more roookies with the idea that the gazillion Dbs with 3 years or less experience can be "coached up"
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And this is what my problem is, not being certain, Texan have a plan. I am optimistic only because of Phillips success in draft.
 
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Rey said:
Speaking about the texans specifically what are you banking on to put us over the top that you feel will off set the need to upgrade our horrifically bad corners?


We have question marks in a lot if places. Even if we get a great corner it still wouldn't guarantee that we make the plays we need to or win enough games to get into the play offs.
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I'm hoping Wade will let our defense dictate what happens on the field. Instead of playing on our heels & waiting to see what happens. I want us to force the issue.

Even last year, when we took our game to them, the defense didn't look bad at all. It was when we played conservatively that we couldn't stop anyone.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm hoping Wade will let our defense dictate what happens on the field. Instead of playing on our heels & waiting to see what happens. I want us to force the issue.

Even last year, when we took our game to them, the defense didn't look bad at all. It was when we played conservatively that we couldn't stop anyone.
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You should get your wish. Everything about Phillip's defense is to attack. If our O can remain as effective, the D does not have to improve much to get us more wins. I want to see a better spread with running backs to keep Foster fresh and strong late in seasson. Tate may be the answer as another big, fast RB who should be able to catch out oif the backfield.
 
IMO, I think we would improve the defense more by getting someone like Joseph and another like Weedel for safety. We could also probably add one of the 2 starting CBs that are UFAs on the Raven's. This could probably be done for something around what we would pay for Aso by himself. Aso is better than any of them, but combined they strengthen the defense more. Better use of money by spreading the exposure out and getting more bang for the buck I think.
 
badboy said:
GP, Cosby Quin did exactly what he was supposed to do on that play, it just backfired. I agree with the rest of your post.
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It backfired?

Then that means he wasn't doing ALL he could do. It means he tried something radical or deviant from the standard/norm...and it "backfired."

Had he tried to catch the ball, he might have (a) caught the ball, or (b) knocked it away by not catching it.

Once you bat a ball, it's anybody's ball to be had. Catching versus batting are two very different things. I expect a professional football player to try and catch the ball first and foremost, and if he's out of reach...THEN try to deflect it.

Backfired is a good description. Though I wouldn't say it combines well with the phrase "he was doing what he was supposed to on that play." That's where I think our two paths of reasoning diverge.
 
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