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Old 04-20-2005   #21
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I love the trade myself. I knew nothing about it until I got my Chronic this morning. After almost choking on my Oatmeal, a big smile appeared on my face, and is still there. This now gives us 3 former #1 draft picks at CB, all with well above average speed, quickness, and cover ability. In addition, Dunta may already be the most phyicial corner in the league. Maybe PB can learn a thing or two on tackling technique from him. I would put our top 5 group of CB's against any team in the league. More than anything, this tells me the Texans are interested in competing against the Colts. Depending on the outcome of the draft, this might also put us above the Jags in the central pecking order. We shall see.

Without trying to get too far off topic, I agree with Nawzer. I see a LB, RB, or WR with our #1 this year. I also think it is more likely now we trade down and try to recover one of the picks. Think about someone like Demarcus Ware, and his speed. We will have totally turned around our team speed on defense. Add Ware into a mix with Drob, PB, Glenn, Greenwood, and Peek. WOW! Or imagine getting the speed of a Troy Williamson, or the bruising, run over you style of Ced Benson. I am pumped! Bring on the season!
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I agree Porky. I think that Dunta and Buchanon being close in age and coming up at the same time will push them together and make them want to be better than each other. Ideal situation is they grow up together and make each other better and Glenn mentors them both for the next couple of years as he slides gracefully into being a backup, and then into retirement.

It's all speculation on my part but when I originally read how much Faggins had to say about Glenn being a good teacher and example I just have assumed that Dunta getting so good so fast must have been helped along by Aaron Glenn working with him. I expect the same thing to happen with Buchanon.
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And the fact that Hoke was the guy who recruited him out of highschool.. and hoke has done wonders for our secondary.

this is gonna be great .


I also agree with LB, RB, or CB. We could trade down just a few slots and grab Pollack and an extra #2 or #3.. would depend on who fell to us though.
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It's all speculation on my part but when I originally read how much Faggins had to say about Glenn being a good teacher and example I just have assumed that Dunta getting so good so fast must have been helped along by Aaron Glenn working with him. I expect the same thing to happen with Buchanon.
This is something I was starting to think about. I remember Glenn being so ready to teach Dunta the ropes and I assume he will do this with Buchannon. Key is Buchannon wanting to learn from him.
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brandon: Did Houston make a good deal with Oakland?
Rick Gosselin: The Texans obviously wanted a corner to become the heir apparent to 33-year-old Aaron Glenn. They got a good one in Buchanan. But I think the price they paid was a tad steep. I think the second and third rounds are going to be strong in this draft and the Texans gave the Raiders two choices there.
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Great trade. Buchanon will be very good. We are getting close to being a really really good team. Go Texans, can't wait for Saturday.
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This is something I was starting to think about. I remember Glenn being so ready to teach Dunta the ropes and I assume he will do this with Buchannon. Key is Buchannon wanting to learn from him.
To be honest, I question his willingness to learn from Glenn as well...Buchanon has made it clear throughout his career that he wants to be the next "Primetime" and I heard he was receiving coaching from Deion as well...While Glenn has had a great career, he doesn't have the reputation that Deion has/had and I could see PB thinking, "Who is this guy? He's no Deion" and not listening to him...I'm optimistic, though...
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There was talks that Buchannon didn't like being considered second fiddle to chuck woodson. So it's a **** shoot as to how he acts when he hears that he's still the second best CB on his team.
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There was talks that Buchannon didn't like being considered second fiddle to chuck woodson. So it's a **** shoot as to how he acts when he hears that he's still the second best CB on his team.
It could all be part of that famous Raider "in fighting" . I think Raider fans just turned on him because he did'nt want to be there anymore. I'm confident that we will not see any outburst or off feild shananigans from PB in his time here.
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We traded a 2nd and 3rd round pick for a first round talent. Jon Hoke will get Phillip Buchanan to play up to his potential and the Texans will look like geniuses for making this move. D-Rob and C-Buch will be the best young CB tandem in the NFL.
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Dom Capers has always said the simplest route to the postseason is winning your division.

The Texans took a large step towards that goal in 2004, sweeping two division opponents (Jacksonville and Tennessee) for the first time. But it wasn’t enough, considering the proverbial bully on the playground still stole their lunch money.

That would be the Indianapolis Colts, who won their second consecutive AFC South title by riding the league’s most prolific passing attack. Colts quarterback Peyton Manning set a single-season NFL record with 49 touchdown passes. He had three receivers with more than 1,000 receiving yards.

“When you’re playing in a division with the best passing offense in the National Football League, you cannot have enough good cover people,” Houston’s head coach said Wednesday. “There’s nothing more frustrating than when you fall short in that area.”

So it stands to reason that if the Texans are going to have any chance of knocking the Colts from their perch, they need to load up on defensive backs. Good defensive backs. And on Wednesday, the Texans knocked the Astros, Rockets, U.S. Clay Court Championships and Shell Houston Open below the fold with a potential blockbuster acquisition.

Houston traded two draft picks – their second-round pick (47th overall) and their first of two third-round selections (74th overall) – to the Raiders for cornerback Phillip Buchanon. The trade isn’t yet official, pending the usual logistics that surround such transactions.

“It will probably be another 24 hours before this thing would be officially announced and completed,” general manager Charley Casserly said this afternoon before his annual pre-draft press conference. “What needs to be done is the physical and then the paperwork cleared by the league. Once we get that done, there will be an official announcement, but we don’t anticipate any issues.”

Buchanon, the 17th overall selection of the 2002 draft, is one of the most athletic young defensive backs in the league. He owns 11 career interceptions, returning four for touchdowns. He has also returned three punts for scores.

“As you look at the trade, this is nothing more than an attempt to upgrade our football team,” Capers said. “We scouted Phillip in our first year back in 2002 and we really liked him. We think he has the speed, the quickness and the athletic ability and he’s also doubled as a punt return man and done very well at that.”

Buchanon made an instant impact as a rookie, collecting 21 tackles and two picks, returning the second 81 yards for a touchdown at Buffalo to earn AFC Defensive Player of the Week honors. In one game against Tennessee, he returned a punt 83 yards for a touchdown and lateraled another punt to running back Terry Kirby for a 79-yard score. But Buchanon injured his wrist in Week 6 and landed on injured reserve.

In 2003, Buchanon started 11 of 16 games at right cornerback, tying for second in the AFC with six interceptions. He returned two of those for scores, totaling 176 yards on the six picks. Buchanon also returned two punts for touchdowns, averaging 13.6 yards per return.

Last season Buchanon started the first 14 games of the season and still paced the Raiders with three picks. But it was at times a bumpy ride. New head coach Norv Turner yanked Buchanon from the secondary in a game at Carolina on Nov. 7 and later replaced him on punt returns with Doug Gabriel. In the days leading up to the draft, the Raiders decided to gauge interest in Buchanon in the trade market.

“We became aware a short time ago that he was available in a trade,” Casserly said. “This week we talked to the Raiders and discussed what they were looking for and we had another discussion about it yesterday. Last night at the baseball game – we took our scouts to the game -- we completed the trade. It happened pretty fast over the past couple of days.”

With his playmaking ability, Buchanon has the opportunity to make a strong Texans secondary even stronger. Second-year pro Dunta Robinson tied for the lead among NFL rookies last season with six picks. Veteran Aaron Glenn intercepted five passes last season and has picked off 11 since coming to Houston in 2002. Whether Buchanon plays nickel at the outset or starts remains to be seen. But at just 24 years of age, if he doesn’t start right away, he can be groomed to replace Glenn, who turns 33 a few weeks before training camp.

“You’re always going to try and generate as competitive a situation as you can,” Capers said. “If you can do that, it brings out the best in everybody. It gives us a good mix and cover people and it certainly gives us another young corner.

“I met with Aaron this morning and his reaction was positive. Aaron is a competitor and Aaron has a lot of confidence in his ability. I think like everything, Aaron looks forward to the challenge.”

Buchanon can also boast an 11-yard career average on punt returns, although his average dipped from 13.6 in 2003 to 5.8 in 2004. He has three punt return touchdowns to his credit, the last coming in the 2003 season finale. The Texans signed veteran returner Reggie Swinton earlier this week to compete with incumbent J.J. Moses. Where Buchanon fits in on that front also remains to be seen.

“He certainly can get in the mix as a punt returner,” Capers said. “Whether he would end up being our punt returner, we’ll just have to see how this all works out.”

It’s no surprise that Buchanon has proved to be a versatile pro, considering his background as a four-sport standout at Lehigh High School in Fort Myers, Fla. Besides all-state honors in football, he hit .463 at the plate, scored 20 points per game on the hardwood and ran a 10.5 100m. Buchanon eventually signed at Miami, where lined up opposite new teammate Andre Johnson in practice and helped the ‘Canes win the 2001 national title. He applied for the draft as a junior after that season.

Cornerback was one of the positions the Texans were looking at come draft day. But at the 13th selection, the draft’s top two corners – Miami’s Antrel Rolle and West Virginia’s Adam Jones – would have likely been off the board. Now the Texans have the luxury of a young corner with experience and, in reality, it cost them just one pick, considering they had acquired an additional third-rounder from Dallas in last year’s Drew Henson trade.

“Are you going to acquire a player as talented as Phillip Buchanon in the second round of the draft?” Casserly asked. “The answer is no.”

And now Casserly will have to slightly amend his plans for Saturday. But he doesn’t mind.

“I guess I have to add something to what I said before today,” Casserly said. “We’re going to take any position in the first round except quarterback…and now cornerback.”

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To be honest, I question his willingness to learn from Glenn as well...Buchanon has made it clear throughout his career that he wants to be the next "Primetime" and I heard he was receiving coaching from Deion as well...While Glenn has had a great career, he doesn't have the reputation that Deion has/had and I could see PB thinking, "Who is this guy? He's no Deion" and not listening to him...I'm optimistic, though...
Deion might have been the best CB ever. I don't blame Buchanon for wanting to be him. But he needs to Forget being the best in the league, he is going to have his hands full trying to top a hungry young Dunta Robinson if he wants to be the top dog on the Texans. Hopefully they will push each other to be better, with Glenn(if he is still around) mentoring along the way.
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Alright, can someone get this strait for me. Who are gonna be the #1 corner, #2 corner, slot and so forth? Thanks.
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Thanks to my Raiderfans at their board, they've agreed that this is the most honest description of Phillip Buchanan:

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1st....he calls himself "showtime" that should tell you something
2nd ...he asked for a trade publicly...that should tell you something
3rd....he is 5'9" and has trouble covering the slant, he also bites on pump fakes (Always trying to make the big play and gets burned)
4th. Guy had an amazing year returning punts for us....a real shaker...but LY he let 5-6 balls bounce in front of him or missed the catch.
5th....he has upside if someone can get his head screwed on straight.....he is a "quick" player and I have seen no lack of tackling on his part..he is small but sticks his head in there.

basicly this....very quick...has good hands has all the physical things you want except height....mentaly he is a mess...Bites on pump fakes....cant stick a reciver due to his size on slants....will gamble and give up 30 yds instead of play it safe and tackle him for a 7 yd gain.........has returned numerous picks for td's.......bottomline is he GAMBLES WAY to much.....if someone can get in his head he is a talent but remember what I said...he calls himself "Showtime"....his head is screwed up. In an interview with a TV reporter he refered to himself in the 3rd person his quote "Well Showtime just needs to get ready for this weeks game"....he has issues but is talented....he wore thin here
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Deion might have been the best CB ever. I don't blame Buchanon for wanting to be him. But he needs to Forget being the best in the league, he is going to have his hands full trying to top a hungry young Dunta Robinson if he wants to be the top dog on the Texans. Hopefully they will push each other to be better, with Glenn(if he is still around) mentoring along the way.
D-Rob and Buchanon are both cocky guys and I could see them developing some sort of friendly rivalry in the future...It should be fun to watch...

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Alright, can someone get this strait for me. Who are gonna be the #1 corner, #2 corner, slot and so forth? Thanks.
I think the LCB spot is still Glenn's, but the staff may trust Dunta enough to have him there...The other will be the RCB...Buchanon will be third on the depth chart, but play on the outside on nickle situations, with Dunta playing inside...Our fourth CB will be Petey Faggins...
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Thanks to my Raiderfans at their board, they've agreed that this is the most honest description of Phillip Buchanan:

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I may be naive, but I think most of his "mental" problems can be ironed out by Hoke and Capers...When he's in, we should have the FS behind him though in case he gambles and loses...
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I think the LCB spot is still Glenn's, but the staff may trust Dunta enough to have him there...The other will be the RCB...Buchanon will be third on the depth chart, but play on the outside on nickle situations, with Dunta playing inside...Our fourth CB will be Petey Faggins...
I think that's exactly were they will play. no suprises here that's really the only way to play it.
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would that have been their "honest description a week ago?
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Both D-Rob and Buc are 5'10'' 185. Both are extremely fast, quick, and have "fluid hips" making them exellent in the open field. Not to mention they both have cocky attitudes as said above...Deja Vu!

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I know plenty of raiders fans, and these desecriptions you're getting of PB, were there long before he asked for a trade.

Don't chalk this up to "a colts fan is lying because he's scared" many raiders fans got over this guys novelty after the first year, and many of them gave him the nickname "toast" for the way he gambles on everything.

Unless, you can fix his mental problems and actually get him to buy into something and get over his "da U" mentality (I know andre doesn't have it) then you will have a scary corner.
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