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Old 04-20-2005   #1
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Default Texans Trade for Phillip Buchannon (second thread)

We need a new thread. The other one is getting too big and it is full of off-topic posts.

Now, the 3WR set is one of the dominant sets in the NFL now, especially in the new no-touch era. Looks like we have Dunta as the slot/blitz nickel, Buchannon and Glenn on the outside WR's and Faggins will take the Dime when we go to a 4 WR set-up. No longer will we have to worry about covering Brandon Stokley with a 2nd rate corner.

Try to make an effort to stay on topic this time guys. Thanks!
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We need a new thread. The other one is getting too big and it is full of off-topic posts.

Now, the 3WR set is one of the dominant sets in the NFL now, especially in the new no-touch era. Looks like we have Dunta as the slot/blitz nickel, Buchannon and Glenn on the outside WR's and Faggins will take the Dime when we go to a 4 WR set-up. No longer will we have to worry about covering Brandon Stokley with a 2nd rate corner.
My point exactly. He's another piece that teams will have to game plan for. You can never have enough good corners.
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Okay here is my take on all of this. We basically got a 4th rounder for a 6th round pick and this years 2nd. Now we have 4 very capable CBs and he possibly could provide some future talent should Glenn get hurt(remember Glenn has bad hammies). He provides a KR/PR with the "break away speed" everyone here says JJ Moses doesn't possess. If he sux, he is a nickel or even dime back at best for the next two years and we can always draft a corner later, we can then cut him and his money is not a big cap hit.

As far as the cons to this trade, well we don't get to move up for DJ and we don't get to pick in the second round. Who knows, we could still trade draft spots somehow and for all we know, Texans may not even really be sold on him to make that kind of move. At worst in the first round, we trade down and get the lineman we all think we need or stay put and see what falls in our lap. Anything can happen on draft day.

By the way I like the idea of your last sentence. I feel it really does make this trade worthy of what we gave up for it.

What is your opinion and view of what you believe the Texans are pushing for this season?
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Old 04-20-2005   #4
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Default Dom Capers will help Buchannon

Dom is one of the best at coaching secondary players. Look what he did for D-Rob in his rookie season. I know he is very tallented, but I still feal that Dom is a big reason for his success. Buhcannon will end up being a great pick up.

All we need now is a pass rusher with good speed to get at the QB.
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The DBs coach, Hoak (mispelled?) did more for D-Rob then anybody; which is a good sign since he also helped recruit Buchanon caoming out of college.
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It seems PB is a big play corner like Glenn and Dunta . The thing that creates these situations is a pass rush . With the secondary seemingly set and after signing Bradford , they'll take Merriman , Johnson , or Ware . The one thats on the board at 13 will be a Texan . That gives them Babin ,Peek and ? to chase the QB. They're also young and talented .
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I think this will turn out to be a great move by the Texans. They get a 2nd young corner to shore up that spot for the next few years and add some solid depth. Plus, he's very cap friendly for the next 2 years. He's better than anything we could have gotten in the 2nd round and leaves us with plenty of options in the 1st round. Great job, Mr. Casserly.

The only person I see saying this is a bad move is Raider Fan. I think most of them are jealous because their team is bad and they can't get traded like Buchanon did. I don't know enough about his attitude, but I can't imagine being a Raider brings out the nice guy in someone.
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It seems PB is a big play corner like Glenn and Dunta . The thing that creates these situations is a pass rush . With the secondary seemingly set and after signing Bradford , they'll take Merriman , Johnson , or Ware . The one thats on the board at 13 will be a Texan . That gives them Babin ,Peek and ? to chase the QB. They're also young and talented .
The Texans had the 5th most INT's in the league last year with the 32nd # of sacks. Now they have added another ballhawk with the wheels to put defensive TD's on the board. If the Texans can improve to even middle of the pack pass rush, QB's should be very afraid next year.
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Great pick up

This dude certainly has good potential and he can also return punts.

But I kinda get the feeling that Casserly might trade back a few spots in the first round to regain back that second round pick though

Doesn't look like we are gonna draft Thomas Davis either
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Doesn't look like we are gonna draft Thomas Davis either
How does this affect Thomas Davis?
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If we trade out of 13, the the Saints will draft Thomas Davis at 16.
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This was a good trade for the Texans. No if's, and's or but's.

I live in the LA area. Unfortuantely I get to see all of the Raider games. My co-workers (who are all Raiders fans) are upset about the trade. The Raiders gave up a solid #1 pick from a strong draft class for two unknowns from a much weaker draft class.

This guy is only 24 years old!!!!!!! <---That is a key point. He has only played for 3 seasons. The texans did not mortgage the future for a Old player. They got a guy who has not hit his prime yet and is not in a huge contract.

As for his attitude problem. That will change. He has worn two uniforms. The Miami Hurricanes and the Oakland Raiders. Those teams both encourage show boating, cockiness, and individual play. The raiders pride themselves on their "Bad Boy" image and the fact that they are the most pentalized team in the league. Hey it sells jerseys. With the coaching staff in Houston, and a more "Blue Colar" type environment Phillip Buchanan will come around.

Andre Johnson played with Phillip Buchanan for several years at Miami. I am sure Phillip covered AJ in practice all the time and the Texans got a lot of input from AJ who got to see PB in action every day.

Speed, Youth and Playmaking ability were needed in the Texans Secondary. They just got it. Glenn is still good but history shows he doesn't have much time left.

Some other things to keep in mind regarding the Texans (They make very informed decisions):
"The Texans might have the largest scouting department in the NFL, and it gives them a distinct advantage in their coverage of players in free agency and the draft. They have nine college scouts who cover the country and three pro scouts who handle free agency and veteran organizations."
"This is not a front office that takes a lot of risks or gambles in both free agency and the draft. The Texans let the process come to them, and they rely on their preparation to make smart final decisions."

as with all off seasons moves only time will tell.

Good trade Texans
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This was a good trade for the Texans. No if's, and's or but's.

I live in the LA area. Unfortuantely I get to see all of the Raider games. My co-workers (who are all Raiders fans) are upset about the trade. The Raiders gave up a solid #1 pick from a strong draft class for two unknowns from a much weaker draft class.

This guy is only 24 years old!!!!!!! <---That is a key point. He has only played for 3 seasons. The texans did not mortgage the future for a Old player. They got a guy who has not hit his prime yet and is not in a huge contract.

As for his attitude problem. That will change. He has worn two uniforms. The Miami Hurricanes and the Oakland Raiders. Those teams both encourage show boating, cockiness, and individual play. The raiders pride themselves on their "Bad Boy" image and the fact that they are the most pentalized team in the league. Hey it sells jerseys. With the coaching staff in Houston, and a more "Blue Colar" type environment Phillip Buchanan will come around.

Andre Johnson played with Phillip Buchanan for several years at Miami. I am sure Phillip covered AJ in practice all the time and the Texans got a lot of input from AJ who got to see PB in action every day.

Speed, Youth and Playmaking ability were needed in the Texans Secondary. They just got it. Glenn is still good but history shows he doesn't have much time left.

Some other things to keep in mind regarding the Texans (They make very informed decisions):
"The Texans might have the largest scouting department in the NFL, and it gives them a distinct advantage in their coverage of players in free agency and the draft. They have nine college scouts who cover the country and three pro scouts who handle free agency and veteran organizations."
"This is not a front office that takes a lot of risks or gambles in both free agency and the draft. The Texans let the process come to them, and they rely on their preparation to make smart final decisions."

as with all off seasons moves only time will tell.

Good trade Texans
Now that was an awesome post. . The more I look at it the harder I am finding negatives about this. Or at least negatives that outweight the bad. Alot of teams wanted this guy. We got him for cheap.
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In a weak draft this year I think this was a very good trade for us. Buchanon is a proven NFL player who has shown flashes of his potential. With a 2nd and 3rd rounder this year we might've drafted a player who may not be on our roster two or three years from now. I know it's a risk but I think this was a good risk. Buchanon is still only 24 years old and he has a lot of room to grow. With this move we can rule out Antrell Rolle or Pac man Jones wearing a Texans uniform. We will most likely pick a linebacker, running back or wide receiver. We may also move down in the draft.
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I haven't stopped smiling since I heard the news last night.
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Every minute I keep loving this trade....

I look at it like this, we traded basically a 3rd for PB31....if you think about it, the Texans may have used their #2 pick (#47 overall) on a CB, so we made a damn good trade. Now that the NFL is using alot of 3WR sets, this is huge. It's kinda better to get a player thats proven himself to be a good CB and potentially a Pro Bowl caliber Corner.

Good Job Cass, all we do now is trade for MORE picks.
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all i'm gonna say is that we now have the secondary to match the colts recievers and tight ends...the only question is do we have the front seven to match them...and more importantly do we have the depth at the front seven to match them...they are the the best team in our division and if we are gonna start making playoff pushes we need to be able to rivial them in talent and ability...pb gives us that...now we need more depth at d-line and linebacker...we need a solid number 2 reciever...we need joppru to stay healthy and we need our o-line to really come together this season...we also need to add some serious depth to our o-line...so in order this is how i see our team needs being:
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What exactly did the trade involve? I just saw that the Texans acquired Buchanon, which is fine by me as long as they didn't trade this year's number 1, which they didn't. With that 13, do you think we go OL or DL, both could use some help, but I see more D-linemen available later in the draft but only 1 dominant O-lineman, that being Barron. I think that we should go after Barron at 13, due to the fact that the secondary won't need as much help with Phillip as a 3rd corner. The offense, in my eyes, is only 1 or 2 pieces away from being great, so I say take these pieces this year early, and with your 3rd's, grab one of the hybrids that's left, as there are 3 or 4 that could be good who will still be there. That's all i got for now, later.
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So it looks like it's pretty much a concensus: Texans fans like the trade, but Titan and Raider fans don't ...I like that...If we can keep his attitude in check, then we may have gotten a steal...
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I think Hoke can bring out something in him, if anybody can it's Hoke he did recruit him out of high school and look what he's done for Robinson. Buchanan is a good football player with great speed. The only thing against him is he played in a terrible Raider defense that had virtualy no pass rush and could'nt stop the run. Buchanan also brings with him big play capabilities something this teams defense and special teams could use more of.
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