Matt Schaub NFL's most underrated QB?

[drs23]

Saw this article and thought it was interesting. Some of the stats I'd not read/heard before. Even if it is BR I enjoyed it. And NFL news is Slow!

[b0ng]

Originally Posted by drs23

Saw this article and thought it was interesting. Some of the stats I'd not read/heard before. Even if it is BR I enjoyed it. And NFL news is Slow!

I think that honor of "most underrated" belongs to probably. . . Ryan Fitzpatrick. I do think Schaub is a better player than Josh Freeman currently is, or even Joe Flacco or Matt Ryan and deserved to be a top 100 player.

[HJam72]

Anyone voted "Most Underrated" anything is no longer underrated at all. He was underrated when we were all still worried about whether he could play a whole season without getting injured and missing significant time.

Just thought I'd be the master of the obvious here.

[The Pencil Neck]

Originally Posted by HJam72

Anyone voted "Most Underrated" anything is no longer underrated at all. He was underrated when we were all still worried about whether he could play a whole season without getting injured and missing significant time.

Just thought I'd be the master of the obvious here.

No, he's still under-rated by most people who aren't Texans fans or relatively proficient fantasy footballers.

[drs23]

Originally Posted by HJam72

Anyone voted "Most Underrated" anything is no longer underrated at all. He was underrated when we were all still worried about whether he could play a whole season without getting injured and missing significant time.

Just thought I'd be the master of the obvious here.

Job well done.

[Ole Miss Texan]

Shoot I already believed it and knew all about his stats. But after reading that article, I want to go run through a brick wall for him. Amazing! lol

[badboy]

I just wished we had a similarly under rated back up QB.

[TEXANRED]

Originally Posted by b0ng

I think that honor of "most underrated" belongs to probably. . . Ryan Fitzpatrick. I do think Schaub is a better player than Josh Freeman currently is, or even Joe Flacco or Matt Ryan and deserved to be a top 100 player.

Schaub puts up big passing numbers but when it comes down to winning in tight situations or when the prime time lights come on, or even when he plays at home, he fails.

He is 8-16 against the division since 2007.

Look at last year, we pulled an Oh'fer in prime time last year (and has never won on Monday night. I don't know about Sunday night). And he is 8-8 at home over the last 2 years.

Top 100 players are difference makers and Schaub is not a difference maker. He is Chris Chandler 2.0.

[Ole Miss Texan]

Originally Posted by TEXANRED

Schaub puts up big passing numbers but when it comes down to winning in tight situations or when the prime time lights come on, or even when he plays at home, he fails.

He is 8-16 against the division since 2007.

Look at last year, we pulled an Oh'fer in prime time last year (and has never won on Monday night. I don't know about Sunday night). And he is 8-8 at home over the last 2 years.

Top 100 players are difference makers and Schaub is not a difference maker. He is Chris Chandler 2.0.

I just don't see it as many times as people have said this. There's been a lot of times he's brought us back in games with limited time remaining. It's not fair to ask him to score with under 2 minutes left, let the other team score, and then say he sucks when he can't do it again.

[eriadoc]

Originally Posted by Ole Miss Texan

I just don't see it as many times as people have said this. There's been a lot of times he's brought us back in games with limited time remaining. It's not fair to ask him to score with under 2 minutes left, let the other team score, and then say he sucks when he can't do it again.

When he failed to score anything in the first 30 minutes of play at all, it is. Over half the games last year saw the offense put up less than a TD in the first half, IIRC. So while the defense might be a sieve, the offense sure wasn't helping their own cause.

[TEXANRED]

Originally Posted by Ole Miss Texan

I just don't see it as many times as people have said this. There's been a lot of times he's brought us back in games with limited time remaining. It's not fair to ask him to score with under 2 minutes left, let the other team score, and then say he sucks when he can't do it again.

I am looking at his 4 years of work. 8-16 in the division is a huge short fall IMO.

losing all your prime time games is a huge short fall IMO.

31-33 over the last 4 years. (of course he missed half seasons in 07 & 08) So if you just look at his two complete seasons he is 15-17 as a full time starter going 8-8 at home. (we were 12-4 in 07 and 08)

And for every "come back" of Schaub's I can point to a choke. Like in 2007 when he rein-acted the mistake by the lake and got trounced by Cleveland. In 2009 when he threw the game losing INT to the Cards. Sprinkle in all the division loses and you have a typical Matt Schaub season.

Hey, I wanna like the guy, I do, but IMO Schaub is a pretender.

[El Tejano]

Originally Posted by TEXANRED

I am looking at his 4 years of work. 8-16 in the division is a huge short fall IMO.

losing all your prime time games is a huge short fall IMO.

31-33 over the last 4 years. (of course he missed half seasons in 07 & 08) So if you just look at his two complete seasons he is 15-17 as a full time starter going 8-8 at home. (we were 12-4 in 07 and 08)

And for every "come back" of Schaub's I can point to a choke. Like in 2007 when he rein-acted the mistake by the lake and got trounced by Cleveland. In 2009 when he threw the game losing INT to the Cards. Sprinkle in all the division loses and you have a typical Matt Schaub season.

Hey, I wanna like the guy, I do, but IMO Schaub is a pretender.

If it weren't for Matt Schaub we would've got trounced in that game.

[TEXANRED]

Originally Posted by El Tejano

If it weren't for Matt Schaub we would've got trounced in that game.

It was 21-0 going into the half.

[dalemurphy]

Here's the reality: Individual players on the Texans will be late getting significant respect around the league and in the media until the team wins. Fair/ not fair... who cares. My only concern as a fan is whether I think Schaub and other players are capable of participating in a winning organization. I certainly think Schaub is capable. But, it will only be proven or unproven over the next couple years.

[DocBar]

Originally Posted by eriadoc

When he failed to score anything in the first 30 minutes of play at all, it is. Over half the games last year saw the offense put up less than a TD in the first half, IIRC. So while the defense might be a sieve, the offense sure wasn't helping their own cause.

IMHO, that has much more to do with play calling and coaching than any particular player. I'm pretty happy with Schaub but I understand his being under-rated. Until the Texans start winning, he will be. QB's get all of the glory and all of the blame. Remember those 10 or so games the last 2 seasons when the D couldn't hold a lead or KB couldn't hit the ocean from the beach?

[EllisUnit]

Originally Posted by TEXANRED

Schaub puts up big passing numbers but when it comes down to winning in tight situations or when the prime time lights come on, or even when he plays at home, he fails.

He is 8-16 against the division since 2007.

Look at last year, we pulled an Oh'fer in prime time last year (and has never won on Monday night. I don't know about Sunday night). And he is 8-8 at home over the last 2 years.

Top 100 players are difference makers and Schaub is not a difference maker. He is Chris Chandler 2.0.

crunch time, like against the skins and chiefs ???? he did pretty well then.

[EllisUnit]

Originally Posted by TEXANRED

I am looking at his 4 years of work. 8-16 in the division is a huge short fall IMO.

losing all your prime time games is a huge short fall IMO.

31-33 over the last 4 years. (of course he missed half seasons in 07 & 08) So if you just look at his two complete seasons he is 15-17 as a full time starter going 8-8 at home. (we were 12-4 in 07 and 08)

And for every "come back" of Schaub's I can point to a choke. Like in 2007 when he rein-acted the mistake by the lake and got trounced by Cleveland. In 2009 when he threw the game losing INT to the Cards. Sprinkle in all the division loses and you have a typical Matt Schaub season.

Hey, I wanna like the guy, I do, but IMO Schaub is a pretender.

Not like the defense has given him any kind of help. Our offense is GOOD so is Schaub, with a mediocra defense he wont be thrown into pressure situations every game.

[eriadoc]

Originally Posted by EllisUnit

Not like the defense has given him any kind of help. Our offense is GOOD so is Schaub, with a mediocra defense he wont be thrown into pressure situations every game.

And with a little more consistent play from him, it would be a different kind of pressure -- a back-and-forth slugfest instead of a come-from-behind miracle attempt.

[b0ng]

Originally Posted by TEXANRED

Schaub puts up big passing numbers but when it comes down to winning in tight situations or when the prime time lights come on, or even when he plays at home, he fails.

He is 8-16 against the division since 2007.

Look at last year, we pulled an Oh'fer in prime time last year (and has never won on Monday night. I don't know about Sunday night). And he is 8-8 at home over the last 2 years.

Top 100 players are difference makers and Schaub is not a difference maker. He is Chris Chandler 2.0.

Let me tell you about Jason Babin, the difference maker. . .

[EllisUnit]

Originally Posted by eriadoc

And with a little more consistent play from him, it would be a different kind of pressure -- a back-and-forth slugfest instead of a come-from-behind miracle attempt.

i saw some BAD play calling that gave other teams leads. Not all on Schaub