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Old 04-20-2005   #281
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obviously they know something we dont know or see, i mean our front office has made some very good decesions IMO, and if they think he can be an impact player or make a difference i wont complain, i think we should all wait until mid way through the season before we judge their decesions.
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Old 04-20-2005   #282
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I'm not going to flame anyone here, I'd just like to point a couple of things out about the Buchanon trade.

#1 People seem to think the addition of PBuch is going to help them stop Peyton Manning and the colts. While on the surface that would seem to be the case, the actual facts do not bear that out. Who held that offense down last year? The Jaguars twice and the Patriots twice are the examples that leap into my mind. Now I ask you which of those two teams had a better pair of corners than Drob and Glenn last year? Neither one. They won because they pressured Peyton up the middle and schemed well. You can have 15 shut down corners on your roster, but if you don't get pressure and get Peyton mixed up schematically it is not going to matter.

#2 Much like the Babin trade last year I am not saying you got an awful player. Buchanon may not have played up to his ability yet, but he's supremely talented and he's young and cheap. The problem I had with both deals is what you gave up. At this point Buchanon was clearly on the trade block, and you not only gave up a second and a third, you gave up a relatively high second and third. No matter how you spin it, even if he turns into Deion you overpayed. It's just like the Giants last year with Manning. Unless Eli turns into John Elway II they gave up two high firsts and a fourth and fifth for one player, when they could have stayed put and gotten Rivers or Big Ben and still had those other 3 picks to work with. It just makes no sense. This trade is indefensible.

I can understand a sense of homerism(many of my brethren think the Titans will go 10-6 this year) but at some point you just have to say enough is enough. Casserly has done a piss poor job the last two or three years. Has he added a few good players? Of course, but even the Cardinals and Bengals added a few good players throughout the 90s. The point is that he has not added those players in an even remotely efficient fashion. You traded the entire meat and potatoes of your draft last year for Jason Babin, to a division rival who desperately needed those picks to rebuild no less. Then you vastly overpay for Buchanon, when if you don't improve your pass rush all the corners in the world won't matter. I like the acquisitions, I just don't like what you paid for them. How are you guys not screaming for Casserly's head? I just don't get it.

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It would truly be a waste of time to comprehensively respond to your post so I'll just throw out a quick few points.

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--An exception does not make a rule. Yes, the patriots won without elite CBs. By that same logic all teams should ONLY draft QBs in the 6th round 'cause the patriots did it' and 'that's what works.' As a titans fan, I am SURE you will change your tune next year after having lost your two starting CBs this year.

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--I'm going to have to quote you here: "At this point Buchanon was clearly on the trade block, and you not only gave up a second and a third, you gave up a relatively high second and third. No matter how you spin it, even if he turns into Deion you overpayed."

First, let me thank you for making it easy with this ridiculous statement.

Second, let's rephrase your statement "You can have one of the best CBs to ever play the game! (deion sanders from your example) for two seasons for the low, low price of 1.5 million dollars and two draft picks....who respectively have a %50 chance and a %75 chance of ever starting in the league."

There is only one team in the entire NFL that wouldn't jump all over that deal in a heartbeat! While I certainly don't expect PB to be another Deion, he's still got the same potential, 4.31 speed, and ability to become a very solid CB for the right team. (BTW the titans are that one team that passed on the above deal cause they mismanaged their cap so badly they'd have to sell their stadium to come up with the 1.5 million.)

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--I'll keep this short. Our first picks from the last two drafts have been in consideration for the ROY awards. The first one, Andre Johnson, made the pro-bowl this year, the second one, Dunta Robinson SHOULD have made it also. Tell you what, why don't you offer me any number of players from your last THREE YEARS drafts that I would even consider taking for those two guys...didn't think so....and I'm not even counting the players that were picked below those two guys.

On a closing note...enjoy your rebuilding years...the titans always remind me of THAT famous baseball phrase "SWING AND A MISS!" We sure appreciate the 2 wins a season that you all are hooking us up with for the next few years...thanks for that.
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that's gotta be the post of the month.
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On a closing note...enjoy your rebuilding years...the titans always remind me of THAT famous baseball phrase "SWING AND A MISS!" We sure appreciate the 2 wins a season that you all are hooking us up with for the next few years...thanks for that.
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here is the thing. he is just 24, he will primarily be the nickel back this year while Glenn is probably in his last starting year, he doesn't have to be pressed into service, and with dunta he won't have a huge role. I think that we got a real steal and i'm very happy, I feel this will allow us to take either Williamson or Benson whichever falls to us, cause at this point i think one of them will.
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i agree with Jacquescas i am glad we got him, plus i figure he will be the one to replace glenn when he is gone.
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I kinda like this trade. PB is young and very fast. With AG teaching him, I think he could become a great CB. I think that this trade is what is gonna get us past the Colts this year!
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I kinda like this trade. PB is young and very fast. With AG teaching him, I think he could become a great CB. I think that this trade is what is gonna get us past the Colts this year!

yeah i see us spliting with the colts, and the only way to really beat the is by having great CBs and a great pass rush, which needs to improve or be addressed.
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Well, with 3 good CB's we can play more man to man and blitz more up the middle.
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Well, with 3 good CB's we can play more man to man and blitz more up the middle.
We have 4 good CBs, not 3
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We have 4 good CBs, not 3
I think Faggins is pretty good, but not at the same level as DROB, AG, and PB.
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Petey probably isn't on the same level as them right now, but he has improved every year he's been in the league and I can't see him doing anything but getting better...I would stack our 4th CB up against any team's 4th WR...
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and Buchanon agaisn't any teams 3rd WR is great as well. the only weakness we have at the position is Glenns age, and how much more he will decline this year.
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While I certainly don't expect PB to be another Deion
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I heard Buchanon was training with Deion an his playing style is similar to Deion, but I definitely don't think he's the next coming of Deion Sanders...

Honestly, I forecast him being the 3rd CB on the depth chart, but he'll probably pull in 3 or 4 INTs...As long as he plays well and keeps his mouth shut, I'll be happy with him...
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i dont know if anyone else has done this, but the redskins were supposedly going to trade the number 9 for buchanon and the number 38.

the 9 pick is worth 1350 points which redskins give up, the 38 is worth 520, which means the value of buchanon is 830 or the equivalent of the 21st pick of the draft.

the 47 is worth 430 and the 78 is worth 200, which means we got him for 630 total points, 200 points less than the redskins would have. the equivalent of the 30th pick in the draft.

so we did get him at a better value than the other trade rumors that were out there.
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I think those saying this a bad trade need to look at the draft this year. After the 1st 15 picks it is 2nd round talent and of the 1st 15 they are not many sure things, if any. None of the cornerbacks this year would have been drafted above Buchanan. He ran under a 4.3 coming out of college and from the scouting reports I have read this year he seems to have more problems being overly aggressive than anything else. The Scouts at ESPN comment on his tremendous athleticism and speed. He can mirror receivers and has extremely fluid hips. Furthermore, he is a dangerous return man.

Sometimes you need a change of scenery and at 24 he may be ready to shine. So essentially we gave up a 2nd round pick for a 24 year-old with star potential and low-cap figure. How this is a bad trade is beyond me. I just don't see the talent in this draft and I don't think CC does either. Time will tell, but condemning this trade already is asinine. And with our history of 2nd/3rd picks, I am even more excited. Houston is not Oakland, the tempations, the history of badboys, etc, do not exist. He has a chance to shine here opposite Dunta. Two young, explosive cornerbacks is a good thing. Hopefully, in time the haters will see my new boy Philly B rock the stands.
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texans traded their second and one of their thirds for buchannon. this is a good trade. he's still young, 17th pick in 2002. he'll be good in the right situation and will be a good addition to the D.
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I heard Buchanon was training with Deion an his playing style is similar to Deion, but I definitely don't think he's the next coming of Deion Sanders...

Honestly, I forecast him being the 3rd CB on the depth chart, but he'll probably pull in 3 or 4 INTs...As long as he plays well and keeps his mouth shut, I'll be happy with him...
I agree with that. Plus listening to alot of GM's including Casserly, this is a particularly weak draft.
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I think those saying this a bad trade need to look at the draft this year. After the 1st 15 picks it is 2nd round talent and of the 1st 15 they are not many sure things, if any. None of the cornerbacks this year would have been drafted above Buchanan. He ran under a 4.3 coming out of college and from the scouting reports I have read this year he seems to have more problems being overly aggressive than anything else. The Scouts at ESPN comment on his tremendous athleticism and speed. He can mirror receivers and has extremely fluid hips. Furthermore, he is a dangerous return man.

Sometimes you need a change of scenery and at 24 he may be ready to shine. So essentially we gave up a 2nd round pick for a 24 year-old with star potential and low-cap figure. How this is a bad trade is beyond me. I just don't see the talent in this draft and I don't think CC does either. Time will tell, but condemning this trade already is asinine. And with our history of 2nd/3rd picks, I am even more excited. Houston is not Oakland, the tempations, the history of badboys, etc, do not exist. He has a chance to shine here opposite Dunta. Two young, explosive cornerbacks is a good thing. Hopefully, in time the haters will see my new boy Philly B rock the stands.
You hit the nail on the head right there.
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