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Old 05-31-2011   #1
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Default AFC South becomes the focal point for Hard Knocks poll

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Just a poll on PFT.com on which team from the AFC South would you like to see on Hard Knocks and our Texans are leading the poll right now!!
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Hopefully that doesn't happen. None of these other teams want to be on that show for a reason and everything I've heard from GM's and coaches as to why are negative reasons. For everything I've heard them say, it sounds like the last thing a team like the Texans need right now.
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Hopefully that doesn't happen. None of these other teams want to be on that show for a reason and everything I've heard from GM's and coaches as to why are negative reasons. For everything I've heard them say, it sounds like the last thing a team like the Texans need right now.
Seems like the last few years have been a very good luck. The teams on hard knocks have had a lot of success actually. And these aren't teams that were historically doing well.

2010 - NY Jets - 11-5, playoffs
2009 - Cincinatti Bengals - 10-6, playoffs
2008 - Dallas Cowboys - 9-7, just missed
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Hopefully that doesn't happen. None of these other teams want to be on that show for a reason and everything I've heard from GM's and coaches as to why are negative reasons. For everything I've heard them say, it sounds like the last thing a team like the Texans need right now.
Normally, I would agree, but the Texans need national exposure in a big way!
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Seems like the last few years have been a very good luck. The teams on hard knocks have had a lot of success actually. And these aren't teams that were historically doing well.

2010 - NY Jets - 11-5, playoffs
2009 - Cincinatti Bengals - 10-6, playoffs
2008 - Dallas Cowboys - 9-7, just missed
The Cowboys had a horrible year coming off that show and many of the players and coaches said that they many things were effected from that show. Herm Edwards talked about it when he was coaching as well. You seemed to have missed my point when I mentioned the fact that so many teams are not interested for many reasons and all of them being negative as to why. Even the Lions are saying no thanks. That should speak volumes at this rate. With a team like the Texans who have lacked focus for years that have an owner that simply loves exposure and gets content with that as success, that's a horrible idea. Bob would see his team on tv every week on a reality show and would probably care less about what happens with the season after that, because it would get his ticket sales high and his team talked about more which is all he really seems to care about in the end any way. Sorry, but as a fan that only cares about winning a high amount of games seeing my team win SB rings, I could care less about National Exposure for a team that doesn't even deserve it any way. I think more National Exposure at this present time does nothing positive at this point in time until the Texans start winning and creating a higher mystique for themselves.

I do have a feeling that the Texas will end up going on that show by default now since every other team is saying no, and down here in Kirby country that's somehow looked at as success, but it's not what this franchise needs. They just need to have their nose to the floor and need to be focused on changing an entire defense around and fixing their minor issues on offense. Not a reality show.

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Normally, I would agree, but the Texans need national exposure in a big way!
Let this team actually make the playoffs a few years where they can show some consistency of focus before bringing this kind of circus to their training camp. It seems like so many Texans fans only care about the Texans being talked about instead of them being winners. This team will get better National exposure when they make themselves relevant for it instead of having these humiliating seasons. Until Gary or some other coach can have them playing consistent football for several years, all this National Exposure is the last thing they need and the last thing fans in this city need to see, since to many fans only care about that and winning isn't important to them. Having a team that's getting higher National Exposure because no other team wanted what they got in a reality show and they were the only team that accepted it just because that's the only way they can garner attention Nationally makes this organization look like a step child asking for handouts as usual. To many fans for the Texans would actually consider this some sort of stepping stone and success just because they're on this show instead of finding success in a 12-4 type of season which what fans should be demanding going into their 10th season. Winning is all that should matter at this point. National Exposure shouldn't matter until the consistency of winning is already present.
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Would you want to see even MORE of Kubes? ....

Wow! That would be such a crazy show in the Texans locker room.

The contreversy over the days oatmeal portions would be phenominal......

This team doesn't deserve national coverage until they start winning. Not just making the playoffs and getting smoked in the 1st game either. Actually progressing in the playoffs.

With the FO and HC staff's propensity to stay away from any type of contreversy in it's players, statements, etc., I'm sure HBO would be dissappointed by the end product.

Texans on hard knocks right now would be the HBO/Football equivalent of Little House on the Prarie.
(obviously 2010 is still pissing me off along with the miracle that is Kubes keeping his job )
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Would you want to see even MORE of Kubes? ....

Wow! That would be such a crazy show in the Texans locker room.

The contreversy over the days oatmeal portions would be phenominal......

This team doesn't deserve national coverage until they start winning. Not just making the playoffs and getting smoked in the 1st game either. Actually progressing in the playoffs.

With the FO and HC staff's propensity to stay away from any type of contreversy in it's players, statements, etc., I'm sure HBO would be dissappointed by the end product.

Texans on hard knocks right now would be the HBO/Football equivalent of Little House on the Prarie.
(obviously 2010 is still pissing me off along with the miracle that is Kubes keeping his job )
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I wonder if the lockout has anything to do with teams not wanting to participate on Hard Knocks...
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I hope if the Texans think of doing this that they let the players have a vote on it as well. If the players don't mind the cameras then I must admit, I would like to see them on it. I think the type of players the Texans have been drafting will not let this effect their training at all. It would probably be one of the least drama shows of them all.
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I don't have HBO and have never seen Hard Knocks. That said, I want the Texans to be on the show (and I still won't watch). I want the team to have the national spotlight and the public scrutiny that goes along with it. There's not enough accountability going on down on Kirby, so maybe a little public scrutiny is what's needed to put a boot in someone's ass. They'll either rise to the occasion and perform well in the spotlight, or they'll wither. In the former case, I'm happy. In the latter, I expect it'll give a bit of red-face to McNair, which I believe he needs.
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Let this team actually make the playoffs a few years where they can show some consistency of focus before bringing this kind of circus to their training camp. It seems like so many Texans fans only care about the Texans being talked about instead of them being winners. This team will get better National exposure when they make themselves relevant for it instead of having these humiliating seasons.
I respectfully disagree. I think you've gone off on a tangent about fans not wanting "winning" as opposed to "exposure". I want nothing of the sort. I ALWAYS want my team to win first, everything else later. The texans need that national exposure for more than just the fans' sake. It might just.....wait for it......get other players interested in the Texans organization. Wouldn't it be nice to have free agents actually WANTING to come to Houston?

Seriously, what the worst that could happen? We'd miss the playoffs? Players would decide this WASN'T somewhere they'd like to go? Sorry, but we're already there, how is Hard Knocks going to make it any worse?
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I have been torn on Hard Knocks....

I do not think Wade would mind....he was on it before with the Cowboys.
Not sure how much Kubiak would want to be on there. Kubiak is so reserved as it is and not a outgoing personality.

I say if they do have a chance to be on it....why not.
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I respectfully disagree. I think you've gone off on a tangent about fans not wanting "winning" as opposed to "exposure". I want nothing of the sort. I ALWAYS want my team to win first, everything else later. The texans need that national exposure for more than just the fans' sake. It might just.....wait for it......get other players interested in the Texans organization. Wouldn't it be nice to have free agents actually WANTING to come to Houston?

Seriously, what the worst that could happen? We'd miss the playoffs? Players would decide this WASN'T somewhere they'd like to go? Sorry, but we're already there, how is Hard Knocks going to make it any worse?
disaacks3 and eriadoc beat me to the reasons as to why I wouldn't mind seeing us go on the show. This would be great for people to see who and what is the problem for any reason why we aren't being ready for the opening day etc....

Also it places another thing we can offer to a guy like Asomuagh who is trying to become a household name. We now have that ability to offer him that New England would offer through saying "well hey we are New England, we will win and you will be noticed." Now we can say "Well we are an up and coming team who if we had you last year would've made the playoffs and you can be noticed as the man around here well before we even play a game."
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They turned it down in '09 and then begged for it last year and got beaten out by the Jets. I bet they'd take it if offered.

That said, I'm pretty sure it's only been offered to NFC teams this year. Do they alternate conferences every year?
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Part of me would enjoy seeing it, but on the other hand I see no point in a couple of marginal players like david Anderson & Jacobey Jones getting the limelight for several weeks.
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I would actually like the Texans to be on Hard Knocks. That way we could get a look at the rookies, and see if they are the real deal. Also be able to see what this team is gonna be all about with the new D.
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I respectfully disagree. I think you've gone off on a tangent about fans not wanting "winning" as opposed to "exposure". I want nothing of the sort. I ALWAYS want my team to win first, everything else later. The texans need that national exposure for more than just the fans' sake. It might just.....wait for it......get other players interested in the Texans organization. Wouldn't it be nice to have free agents actually WANTING to come to Houston?

Seriously, what the worst that could happen? We'd miss the playoffs? Players would decide this WASN'T somewhere they'd like to go? Sorry, but we're already there, how is Hard Knocks going to make it any worse?
You see now you've fallen into this belief or shall I say a myth that players won't come here. I don't know if you've been listening to some of the folks around here who think small, but free agents will come here all day long if the team is willing to pay them and if Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak had a strong agenda to sell players around the league on coming here. Players around the NFL will go sign anywhere if the money is good and if they can develop a belief that the franchise is on it's way up as oppose to being on it's way down. Getting National Exposure doesn't help that case at all really. More National Exposure doesn't tell any player that the Texans aren't going to stink anymore when they know Kubiak is here and that our owner rewards failure. When our coaching staff and GM develop a recruiting mentality and take charge in trying to sell our franchise's future success is when you'll start seeing players coming here as long as they're getting paid.

Getting extra exposure on a reality show like that isn't going to help the Texans do anything though. If anything it would possibly expose how weak Smithiak is to other players and make it even harder to recruit other free agents when we already have a combo that doesn't like to recruit as it is. I don't think it would help the Jacksonville Jaguars if they went on that show either. They're a lower level team just like us and their National Exposure wouldn't really make their team any better just like I don't see that happening for us. Mcnair cares a lot more about National Exposure than he does winning though. Putting the Texans on that show would totally suck all the fans into buying season tickets again which makes Bob think this is a successful season no matter what this team does. I don't want to see a happy Bob Mcnair, because than he's complacent as usual. I want to see a frustrated and angry Bob Mcnair. Then he'll actually dedicate himself more into improving this franchise instead of calling 6-10 being on the right track and hoping it ends up getting him a reality show.
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disaacks3 and eriadoc beat me to the reasons as to why I wouldn't mind seeing us go on the show. This would be great for people to see who and what is the problem for any reason why we aren't being ready for the opening day etc....
We already know what a ton of the problems with this organization are. We've had the same staff failing every season while doing the same stuff and using the same approach that doesn't work.




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Also it places another thing we can offer to a guy like Asomuagh who is trying to become a household name. We now have that ability to offer him that New England would offer through saying "well hey we are New England, we will win and you will be noticed." Now we can say "Well we are an up and coming team who if we had you last year would've made the playoffs and you can be noticed as the man around here well before we even play a game."
And you think that being on a show like Hard Knocks would tell Aso that?? Come on now, you're just reaching really far now. Players around the league really don't care about being on that show. It's not some great privlidge when all these teams around the league don't even want that show.
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We already know what a ton of the problems with this organization are. We've had the same staff failing every season while doing the same stuff and using the same approach that doesn't work.
Yeah, WE know. I want people in New York, Boston, Chicago, and everywhere else to know. So when they fail again, McNair gets a little embarrassed.

On the subject of FA, it isn't that free agents won't come here, but that they will only come here for top dollar. McNair has the right idea in building a front office that handles personnel decisions like the Steelers, Pats, and Eagles, in that they don't pay top dollar for too many players. Those teams develop within, pay just what's necessary to keep their key guys, and they pick up cheaper free agents to fill in the cracks. And that philosophy works great when you keep the guys you groom and when you have a winning team that FAs want to come to for less than top dollar. The Texans' front office seems to want to irritate the guys they draft and cheap out on FAs before they've built the winning tradition.
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Yeah, WE know. I want people in New York, Boston, Chicago, and everywhere else to know. So when they fail again, McNair gets a little embarrassed.

On the subject of FA, it isn't that free agents won't come here, but that they will only come here for top dollar. McNair has the right idea in building a front office that handles personnel decisions like the Steelers, Pats, and Eagles, in that they don't pay top dollar for too many players. Those teams develop within, pay just what's necessary to keep their key guys, and they pick up cheaper free agents to fill in the cracks. And that philosophy works great when you keep the guys you groom and when you have a winning team that FAs want to come to for less than top dollar. The Texans' front office seems to want to irritate the guys they draft and cheap out on FAs before they've built the winning tradition.
But Mcnair has already been embarrassed. He was humiliated last season by the other owners and didn't even know it, so what makes you think he'll somehow realize it now?? Hell, the other owners were telling him how great his team was and just snickering right behind his back. I think Mcnair would be jolly as ever to have a reality show about the Texans all it would do is make the typical guillible Texans fans buy more tickets and Mcnair is a happy man. That's what drives him. I don't think he would be smart enough to realize that being on this show and failing miserably would embarrass him and this organization. If it helps to drive ticket sales, than he would consider it a high success in my eyes. And I also think it would make many of the fans happy just to see this team on that show and winning wouldn't be near as important to them either. I've talked to two many fans in this city that have told me personally that 8-8 is great and that they're just happy to have a team with a great owner like Mcnair.

I think your theory is very logical and makes sense and I see where you're coming from, but with the owner we have, I don't think he'd understand the potential embarrassment if it happened. I think it would go right over his head.
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