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Default A glimpse of Wade Phillips defense throughout the years.

As usual, I want to start with a disclaimer, that I'm not an X and O guy.
It's taking me a long time to watch the games and other materials as well as to read up about the schemes, fronts, coverages and stuffs.

It would be great if any knowledgeable football people can help out at any time.

It will take quite a long time, I imagine, because I don't have anywhere as much time as I would like to have.

Without further ado, let me start with the Bum Phillips' days with the Oilers.
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The Oilers base 3-4

The 3-man front from the 1978 season.
(This is from the Monday Night Game against the Dolphins)

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The Linebackers:

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Default Re: A glimpse of Wade Phillios defense throughout the years.

Note that Curley Culp, the NT was listed at 265 lbs on pro-football reference.com.

I took the time to check and he was smaller than 9 other NTs in the league at the time (some 4-3 NT can be big) and bigger than 14 guys (thereabout).
There were 4 or 5 guys listed at the same weigh. I missed a few, obviously!

In a video titled "Learning Football the NFL Way - Defense" (1998), John Madden called Culp the best NT he's seen.
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The DL techniques (from the Falcons playbook in 2003 when Wade was there.)

(Other coaches might use slightly different terminology.)

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From what I can see throughout the years, mostly, the NT plays the shade technique, but he can be find playing others, scuh as the 0 tech.

In the base 3-4, the DEs usually line up in the 4-tech (head up on the OTs - Offensive Tackles).

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The two ILBs are normally head-up on the Guards (even though this photo doesn't quite show it).
(ILBs : #54 Bingham and #57 Kiner)

I believe it's called a 5-2, based on the fact that the two ILBs lining up in the 2 technique (plus 5 men on the LOS).

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Default Re: A glimpse of Wade Phillios defense throughout the years.

With the 5-2, it looks like the two ILBs are exposed to the Guards; however, since the front 5 penetrate different gaps on different occasions, the ILBs (or at least one of them) are more free than one may think.

Among the diferent schemes are TONTO, JET, and BULLETS.
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Bum Phillips and the young Wade


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This front here, I believe is called the 3-4 Under.
It's very much the same as the 4-3 Under.


In this diagram, it's called the WILL WINK

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Similar to the 4-3 Under, it creates one-on-one situation on the weak side, unless one of the backs helps out.
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It can start with the NT at 0 tech or shaded weakside and the LE at 4 tech or 5 tech (base or over front).
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But then the NT shifts to his right.
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The LE also shifts to his right, playing 3 tech.
This is the Under front.



The only difference with the 4-3 Under is the 3-4 weakside OLB standing up as opposed to a weakside 4-3 DE playing with hand down.
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The LE also shifts to his right, playing 3 tech.
This is the Under front.



The only difference with the 4-3 Under is the 3-4 weakside OLB standing up as opposed to a weakside 4-3 DE playing with hand down.
This is exactly what I was looking at on youtube video provided by brakos.

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A base 3-4 look from the Ravens playbook 2005.
Here we can see the truer 5-2 with the ILBs head-up on the Guards.
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Here's the Under look from the same playbook.

On the weak side (left), you can see the one-on-one opportunities.


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WOW, I just notice that the Ravens took this out of the game they played us in 05
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Default Re: A glimpse of Wade Phillios defense throughout the years.

The main thing I want to add to this thread is that Wade's defense is not a heavy blitzing multiple look 3-4. Most of the blitzes come from the LB position and really the two outside guys rush the passer way more than not (especially when you consider he uses a 4 man nicle/dime package). He really wants guys to do the same things over and over and do them well versus lots of things okay. Honestly, this is the same broad theory the offense (running game in particular) is based. those who want a trick'em scheme on defense will probably be disappointed. It is execution over innovation.

Barring a dramatic change, there will be some blitzing from the inside LBers, but very little (almost none)blitzing from the CB/S. He does not really use the true in the box safety so Pollard out here is not much different than Sooner Roy williams not fitting in Dallas. Speaking of safeties, during his time, Dallas did NOT have much better safety play than Houston, but it was largely hidden by a much better front seven and generally better CB play.

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The main thing I want to add to this thread is that Wade's defense is not a heavy blitzing multiple look 3-4. Most of the blitzes come from the LB position and really the two outside guys rush the passer way more than not (especially when you consider he uses a 4 man nicle/dime package). He really wants guys to do the same things over and over and do them well versus lots of things okay. Honestly, this is the same broad theory the offense (running game in particular) is based. those who want a trick'em scheme on defense will probably be disappointed. It is execution over innovation.

Barring a dramatic change, there will be some blitzing from the inside LBers, but very little (almost none)blitzing from the CB/S. He does not really use the true in the box safety so Pollard out here is not much different than Sooner Roy williams not fitting in Dallas. Speaking of safeties, during his time, Dallas did NOT have much better safety play than Houston, but it was largely hidden by a much better front seven and generally better CB play.

I will let 76 have his thread back now.
Thanks for the input, TA.

There are a couple of things I disagree with you though.
When was the last time the Texans have a safety that pull in 5 INTs in a year?
Sensabaugh did that for the Cowboys last year.
They missed Ken Hamlin greatly, nonetheless.
When they had both of those guys, I don't see how the Texans' safeties can compare.

And true, they had better CB play since Jacques Reeves went south to.... Houston!
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