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Old 05-23-2011   #1
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http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...op-percentage/

Profootballfocus analyzes wide receivers and their drop percentage of catchable passes. It's an interesting article that is really telling of the players that have a bad case of the dropsies. Also Andre just barely made it in the Top 15 of this season, while Jacoby Jones on the other hand...

Kevin Walter doesn't get enough love on the boards, so this is his appreciation thread as well!
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Default Re: Kevin Walter: Lowest Drop Percentage Since 2008

I think Walter would make an amazing slot. At the moment though he's a reliable/solid #2. A speedy slot who can catch the ball could do wonder too (Fingers crossed for Breaston)
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And some people seem to want to get rid of him every year...

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And some people seem to want to get rid of him every year...

Yup. He doesn't put up the sexy stats that fans want, but he's a coach's (and QB's) dream. A solid reliable receiver... definitely has a place on this team.
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And some people seem to want to get rid of him every year...

Not get rid of him, but replaced...yes.

The Texans could afford to upgrade the #2 WR position.
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Kevin Walter has had one good season here as a #2 WR. Sure he blocks well and catches well, but his spot needs an upgrade, because when Daniels is hurt Walter doesn't pick up the slack enough. I'd rather he be at slot WR.
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Default Re: Kevin Walter: Lowest Drop Percentage Since 2008

Maybe we could draft another TE or two and.....
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Walters is a solid 3rd wr he isn't a true #2 wr and the texans need a strong free agent to come in and compliment andre & daniels.
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Walters is a solid 3rd wr he isn't a true #2 wr and the texans need a strong free agent to come in and compliment andre & daniels.


WALTER!

People he's starting his 6th year with the team, c'mon!




While I think they need to keep a eye out for a improvement (mainly in playmaking..Walter does all the little stuff well), I don't think it's necessary to spend big bucks in FA. We have much bigger fish to fry. However in next year's draft it might be time to find a young talented buck to groom under Andre Johnson.

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Walter would make a damn good slot receiver.
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Steve Smith thank you.
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Walter is what he is......a slow white guy who disappears at times, and is not very reliable in the red zone.
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Walter had a great start to last season if I remember correctly. He is a great guy and a very decent receiver. Might be better suited as a slot receiver, but he is doing alright. I think many people don`t give him enough credit - a guy that works hard, performs well and seems to be very humble. AND he doesn`t drop the ball.

Another deep threat would help the offense, but I also think that this team has much bigger needs than WR.
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Kevin Walter has had one good season here as a #2 WR. Sure he blocks well and catches well, but his spot needs an upgrade, because when Daniels is hurt Walter doesn't pick up the slack enough. I'd rather he be at slot WR.
How many teams have three receivers like that? A lot of teams have the WR/TE combination that puts up numbers, but not too many have three receiving threats. The Colts have Wayne and Clark, and then a few guys that aren't any better than Walter. The Saits have Colston and ..... well, a few that aren't any better than Walter. The Cowboys have Austin and Clark and a few that aren't any better than Walter. The Steelers have .... hell, I don't know. No one as good as AJ or even OD. The Chargers have Randy McMichael and Seyi Ajirotutu, so they're clearly better than us (at least judging by results). OK, facetious there.

I don't think the spot needs upgrading at all. If we were able to go out and grab someone like Boldin (could have last year) or Steve Smith, then great. But need? Offense is pretty prolific as it is. This year (if we have one) should see an Owen Daniels that is closer to his Pro Bowl form. Last year was his first year back from the injury and just like everyone else, the production isn't there until two years after.
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How many teams have three receivers like that? A lot of teams have the WR/TE combination that puts up numbers, but not too many have three receiving threats. The Colts have Wayne and Clark, and then a few guys that aren't any better than Walter. The Saits have Colston and ..... well, a few that aren't any better than Walter. The Cowboys have Austin and Clark and a few that aren't any better than Walter. The Steelers have .... hell, I don't know. No one as good as AJ or even OD. The Chargers have Randy McMichael and Seyi Ajirotutu, so they're clearly better than us (at least judging by results). OK, facetious there.

I don't think the spot needs upgrading at all. If we were able to go out and grab someone like Boldin (could have last year) or Steve Smith, then great. But need? Offense is pretty prolific as it is. This year (if we have one) should see an Owen Daniels that is closer to his Pro Bowl form. Last year was his first year back from the injury and just like everyone else, the production isn't there until two years after.
For a While the Colts also had Harrison. Not to mention their QB is better. They also have a bunch of other guys that are effective.

The Saints have a better QB IMO and I think their receiving corps is deeper. The Chargers had Vincent Jackson. Cardinals had Boldin and Fitz for a while....Cowboys had Roy Williams, Austin and then went out and drafted Dez...

Steelers have a better all around receiving corps IMO.


I don't think that the problem is really Walter. I think it's the WR depth behind AJ in general.

I don't understand this stand still attitude regarding the offense. You constantly see good offensive teams continue to add to their weaponry. Look around at the top teams in the league. Even the top defensive teams add to their defense. Also, when the Texans offense starts dictating games on a regular basis then I will call them prolific.
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http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...op-percentage/

Profootballfocus analyzes wide receivers and their drop percentage of catchable passes. It's an interesting article that is really telling of the players that have a bad case of the dropsies. Also Andre just barely made it in the Top 15 of this season, while Jacoby Jones on the other hand...

Kevin Walter doesn't get enough love on the boards, so this is his appreciation thread as well!
....had just as many catches as Walter.

Interpretation : Jacoby gets better separation, but drops more balls.
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My problem with the WR position isn't really K. Walter, because I can appreciate his consistency and professionalism.

My problem is with the WR group as a hole. This group is not NEARLY as strong as it has been made out to be in the past. We have Andre Johnson and a bunch of guys, with Walter being the best one and most consistent of that bunch.

I like Walter and think he could hold down the fort if we had more talent, because I think we run enough 3 WR sets where we could still get another talented receiver in there to make plays too.

Look Kevin Walter was tendered for a 7th round pick. He was never added to be the team's long term fixture at #2 WR. He was added to the team to add talent to the WR core. This team needs more talent as a whole. One injury could devastate that position group.

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For a While the Colts also had Harrison. Not to mention their QB is better. They also have a bunch of other guys that are effective.

The Saints have a better QB IMO and I think their receiving corps is deeper. The Chargers had Vincent Jackson. Cardinals had Boldin and Fitz for a while....Cowboys had Roy Williams, Austin and then went out and drafted Dez...
I was kidding about the Chargers, but I think you hit on a key point. The Chargers have a better QB. The Saints have a better QB. The Colts have a better QB. Most of the teams that have a deep WR corps conveniently have a better QB.

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I agree with this. with the caveat that our QB is not All World. That's not a knock on Schaub at all, but it takes a pretty special QB to make an entire receiving corps look great.

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Not sure where you're getting "stand still attitude" from my post. If the team can pick up a good WR in FA, I'm all for it. But for all the needs on this team, WR rates a little lower than others. We don't have the luxury of having a balanced team that can address whatever they like. And they drafted JJ to be the guy across from AJ. WRs take a little while to develop if they aren't a college phenom, and JJ is taking a little longer than he ought to.

And whether you like to call them prolific or not, that's exactly what they are. Look up the word. If they start dictating games, then we can start using words like "good" or "dominant" or "winners". And if they do that, they may or may not be prolific.

Prolific != good.
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Not sure where you're getting "stand still attitude" from my post. If the team can pick up a good WR in FA, I'm all for it. But for all the needs on this team, WR rates a little lower than others. We don't have the luxury of having a balanced team that can address whatever they like. And they drafted JJ to be the guy across from AJ. WRs take a little while to develop if they aren't a college phenom, and JJ is taking a little longer than he ought to.
Stand still attitude as in "the offense is fine, if we can address it fine, if not ok". Well They aren't fine IMO. For the last few years we have been putting up big numbers when we fall behind. We have been throwing the ball all around the field trying to play catch up due to slow starts offensively and defensively. Then in clutch moments, we end up falling apart for one reason or another.

Maybe the actual players aren't the root of the problem, but I think getting more talent and depth would help the offense with some of their problems.

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And whether you like to call them prolific or not, that's exactly what they are. Look up the word. If they start dictating games, then we can start using words like "good" or "dominant" or "winners". And if they do that, they may or may not be prolific.

Prolific != good.
I know what prolific means...highly productive...

I also know that the Texans, even though they are top ten, aren't that far away from other teams below them production wise. I believe that the high production is due to other various factors ( that I'm really trying not to get into in this thread. Shouldn't have even mentioned that.

But I honestly think that if we had one more legitimate receiving threat that could push Walter and Jacoby for passes being thrown their way the offense would be a whole lot better. I think we have the potential to be a perennial top 5 offense...but there is something missing over there...
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