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Default Coach Pay Cuts Are Creating Bad Karma Towards Owners

They now join fans in their anger over owner lockout. If this lockout goes into the regular season, or worse yet, into 2012, it wouldn't surprise me for some to tell their owners to take a hike...........or decide to take a hike themselves.

Pay cuts throughout NFL turning coaches, employees against the owners
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Miami Dolphins owner Stephen Ross appeared on the CNBC show “Squawk Box” on Thursday morning, and before delving into real estate talk, Ross reiterated that he remains optimistic for a full 2011 season, but only if the players get serious about solving the differences at the negotiating table.

“Everybody who owns a football team really wants to play football,” Ross said. “You have a financial model that really doesn’t work. … Once the players really kind of understand it, and not try to win through a court victory, hopefully the game will be on.”

But today Ross and many of his fellow owners have created an atmosphere in which many of their employees are now rooting against them – and that now includes the league’s coaches, football support staff and non-football employees, who in Miami and many other cities have become unintended victims of the lockout.

Eight days ago, the Dolphins told non-football employees that all salaries would be immediately cut by 10-20 percent for as long as the lockout lasts because of slumping season ticket sales – a slump brought on in part by the lockout instituted by the owners. And yesterday the Post learned that the football staff won’t be spared, either – everyone from general manager Jeff Ireland and head coach Tony Sparano down to the assistant coaches and support staff will face pay cuts effective June 1.

Everyone on the business and football sides will return to normal wages once the lockout ends. But they won’t get refunds on their lost wages. The lockout could end in June, but at worst could last well into the fall.

And as a team source explained Wednesday, the pay cuts have created a strange dynamic inside the Dolphins’ offices, where Ross’ employees are now rooting for the owners to lose at the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals next month so the lockout can be lifted and wages returned to normal.

The cuts are hard for many employees to accept, given that the lockout has so far only postponed the players’ conditioning program and a few mini-camps. Most of the revenue-generating activities don’t happen until late summer and the fall. And the owners are now the ones fighting in court to keep the lockout in place.

The only significant revenue lost by the team so far is whatever shortfalls they have experienced with season ticket sales – which, again, is a function of the owners’ actions. We reached this impasse only because the owners opted out of the CBA two years ago and ultimately enforced a lockout.

“I’m the newest owner. I didn’t realize what I stepped into,” admitted Ross, who became majority owner in January 2009.

It must be noted that the Dolphins are hardly alone in making victims out of innocent coaches and employees. At least 11 other teams, and likely more, have instituted some sort of pay cut during the lockout. The Jets almost immediately instituted a one-week furlough per month for all employees. The Cardinals cut all salaries by 35 percent. To avoid pay cuts, the Raiders are forcing all employees – from executives to coaches and secretaries – to sell season tickets. Seriously.

The pay cuts may make sense for the bottom line, but they have created animosity toward the owners throughout the league. Ross may be sincere when he says he “really wants to play football” in 2011, but no more than the innocent coaches and employees who now are suffering.
Other sources I have read have put the number of teams cutting pay at not 11, but at least 12.
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Well, it is good to know the owners are feeling it.
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Well, it is good to know the owners are feeling it.
The owners aren't feeling squat, their employees are.
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The owners aren't feeling squat, their employees are.
They wouldn't be squeezing their employees if they weren't feeling it.
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They now join fans in their anger over owner lockout. If this lockout goes into the regular season, or worse yet, into 2012, it wouldn't surprise me for some to tell their owners to take a hike...........or decide to take a hike themselves.

Pay cuts throughout NFL turning coaches, employees against the owners
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Other sources I have read have put the number of teams cutting pay at not 11, but at least 12.
Unintended victims? The owners knew full well a year ago when they opted out of CBA that it could come to this. Way to go keeping your employees loyal to you by cutting their income while you are worth hundreds of millions if not billions. Honestly, if McNair does this to his employees it will take a long time for me to quit blasting him. Has anyone heard if he has?
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Unintended victims? The owners knew full well a year ago when they opted out of CBA that it could come to this. Way to go keeping your employees loyal to you by cutting their income while you are worth hundreds of millions if not billions. Honestly, if McNair does this to his employees it will take a long time for me to quit blasting him. Has anyone heard if he has?
Not as of the last I heard/read. He's not even making them come in and man the phone banks to hawk tickets.
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32 men hold hundreds of thousands of fans, thousands of players, and thousands of employees HOSTAGE with this farce of a "labor issue."

The Raiders have the nerve to make their employees sell season tickets, when there might not even be a season, and other teams are instituting pay cuts and rolling furloughs, etc., because of how "hard" it's hitting the owners.

If you can't keep your payroll going, close the doors forever and call it a day...but don't pretend to need these pay cuts when you're not even into the revenue portion of your business year. Other businesses in a "crunch" would cut costs in hundreds of ways before trying to cut employee salaries, and many bosses would even take a cut and maybe not even receive pay at all before doing that to their employees.

32 men started this problem, and those same 32 men could solve this problem.

IMO, these actions are just trying to paint the players as being the bad guys. The owners of those teams are fine. Those owners are trying to create a false sense of gloom and doom, trying to make a statement: "Hey, today it's a 35% pay cut. In August, we'll be cutting JOBS. Clock's tickin'..."
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They wouldn't be squeezing their employees if they weren't feeling it.
The owners aren't feeling shit. Are you kidding me? They are passing temporary revenue losses down to employees, many of whom have nothing to do with this.

NFL owners are 32 of the most influential human beings on the planet. The NFL is a very, very serious and lucrative brand. And the owners know it. That's the problem. Greedy bastards.
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Unintended victims? The owners knew full well a year ago when they opted out of CBA that it could come to this. Way to go keeping your employees loyal to you by cutting their income while you are worth hundreds of millions if not billions. Honestly, if McNair does this to his employees it will take a long time for me to quit blasting him. Has anyone heard if he has?
The only owners that have announced that this will not be an option as far as Seattle, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Oakland, New York Giants, Indianapolis, and Dallas are concerned. McNair is NOT on this list.link


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Lions start staff furloughs

More and more NFL owners are making their employees pay for their mismanagement.

The Detroit Lions are the latest team to cut back, starting mandatory two week furloughs for team employees on Monday. The unpaid breaks will apparently include all employees, including the coaching staff.

“While we have made some adjustments to our business operation due to the current labor situation, we are not going to comment specifically about those changes,” the team told the Detroit News Monday.

Back in March, President Tom Lewand said any possible furloughs would include all employees, including G.M. Martin Mayhew and coach Jim Schwartz.
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I would be surprised if the Texans did this to their employees and coaches. It's not a good decision from a marketing perspective, and it would undermine the 'family values' vibe that they have worked so hard to brand into the Texans image.
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ASHBURN, Va. (AP)—The Washington Redskins coaching staff distanced itself from other coaches Thursday by siding with ownership—and not the players—in the NFL’s labor dispute.

The Redskins released a statement signed by all 17 of the team’s assistant coaches. The statement was a response to a court brief in support of the players filed Wednesday by the NFL Coaches Association.

“We stand united with our ownership, and the brief does not reflect our thoughts on the matter,” the statement said. “We, like everyone else, are hopeful that we can return to playing football. We look forward to a new (collective bargaining agreement), and welcoming back our players as soon as possible.”
WOW!...that was stupid. Shanahan might as well clean house now or 6-10 is going to look like a picnic.
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WOW!...that was stupid. Shanahan might as well clean house now or 6-10 is going to look like a picnic.

If the season gets cancelled, those assistant coaches............well, this is the closest football-related job they can expect.
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“I’m the newest owner. I didn’t realize what I stepped into,” admitted Ross, who became majority owner in January 2009.
Oh really? So Ross spent a $billion without knowing the landscape of the CBA between the league and its players? Sure.
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I would be surprised if the Texans did this to their employees and coaches. It's not a good decision from a marketing perspective, and it would undermine the 'family values' vibe that they have worked so hard to brand into the Texans image.
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Texans staff not on board with NFLCA’s request to end lockout
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Head coach Gary Kubiak said the Texans staff did not approve the brief filed by the Coaches Association.

Count the Texans among the teams whose coaches did not sign off on the brief the NFL Coaches Association filed last week with the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals, asking that the league’s owners end the lockout.

“Our coaching staff didn’t approve the contents of the brief filed by the Coaches Association,” coach Gary Kubiak said Wednesday. “The brief didn’t reflect the views of our coaching staff. We support our organization.”

Larry Kennan, the director of the NFLCA, filed the brief in protest of some teams forcing coaches to take salary reductions during the lockout. The Texans are not one of those teams.

Owner Bob McNair said no one would have to take a pay cut or go on a work furlough but that he would revisit that policy if games were missed and teams are forced to refund ticket money with interest.

Washington and Jacksonville are among the teams that have said publicly they don’t support the brief filed by the NFLCA.

Wonder how this all plays out with the Texans players. Seems like Kubiak should have just let the issue die, especially in the light of the media.................

Asked this morning why he would have publicly made his statement..........was he pressured by the FO......... Kubiak responded "It's all on me!"
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Wonder how this all plays out with the Texans players. Seems like Kubiak should have just let the issue die, especially in the light of the media.................

Asked this morning why he would have publicly made his statement..........was he pressured by the FO......... Kubiak responded "It's all on me!"
Well, at least he's got plenty of company...

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Though none of the three judges mentioned the “friend of the court” brief filed by the NFL Coaches Association during Friday’s oral argument regarding the question of whether the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit will lift the lockout, it’s becoming more and more clear that this so-called “friend of the court” finds no friends in 15 of 32 NFL teams.

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I didn't these coaches would be biting the hand that feeds them.

Now, of course there are fans that have this deluded misconception that THEY are the ones doing the 'feeding'.

Or, rather would that be misconceptual delusion?


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Why did Kubiak do this? Why did he pick a side? So frickin dumb. Typical.

The proper response would have been "I work for Bob and the organization, but I also work for the players too. I'm in the middle, having to support and lead the players into each season of games but also having to represent the organization to the players. My focus is coaching, and this thing will be settled and we'll all get on with football at some point."

I mean, this just seems like a purely political move by Kubiak. I guess I'd come out and publicly support the man (Bob) who inexplicably has weathered the storm and supported ME even when he shouldn't have. To that end, it makes perfect self-serving sense by Kubiak to support Bob.

The Good Old Boy system in full effect, eh?

The best move, IMO, would have been to stay neutral even at the cost of coming off as being corny for doing so.
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Why did Kubiak do this? Why did he pick a side? So frickin dumb. Typical.

The proper response would have been "I work for Bob and the organization, but I also work for the players too. I'm in the middle, having to support and lead the players into each season of games but also having to represent the organization to the players. My focus is coaching, and this thing will be settled and we'll all get on with football at some point."

I mean, this just seems like a purely political move by Kubiak. I guess I'd come out and publicly support the man (Bob) who inexplicably has weathered the storm and supported ME even when he shouldn't have. To that end, it makes perfect self-serving sense by Kubiak to support Bob.

The Good Old Boy system in full effect, eh?

The best move, IMO, would have been to stay neutral even at the cost of coming off as being corny for doing so.
Exactly what I was trying to say..........sometimes it is better to just say nothing.
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See there?

One time. One time he doesn't speak your hated "coach speak" . . .
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See there?

One time. One time he doesn't speak your hated "coach speak" . . .
Pretty much.

Throws the challenge flag when he shouldn't.

Calls for the halfback pass (on FIRST DOWN, near the goal line let me remind everyone) when he shouldn't have.

Keeps his shanktastic field goal kicker when he shouldn't have. Offers a lame ass kickers competition...when he shouldn't have.

The list goes on, but it's topped by his recent decision to support the ownership. He has to lead those players at some point. I wonder if that article will be clipped out by a player and tacked onto the players' locker room wall at some point? Dumbass move, IMO, when if ever there was a time for "coach speak" this is it. LOL.
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