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Old 05-05-2011   #1
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I wonder if Reed will get his hair chopped off like what happened to Cush his rookie year ...
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On the last link, at 1:49, watch him blaze through the first 10 yards.

It looks like the QB had to account for Reed's pressure on almost every snap.
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My initial thoughts from these vids:

Guy is a physical specimen. Devastating quickness for someone carrying 260 and has the strength to take on NFL linemen. Looks like he's at top speed in two steps. Really physically overpowering at the college level which should help make his transition to the bigs relatively easy. Seems to have a nice initial set of pass rushing skills but obviously will need to develop a few more. Another thing I like is he plays like the QB just killed his dog. This guy is going for blood and he isn't about to let anyone stay in his way.


As for the negatives (hard to find many in a highlight reel obv.), seems he might have a problem running himself out of plays too often. This can definitely be fixed with coaching. Patience and some more pass rushing moves will do wonders. He also might not play with enough leverage? His pad level is ok enough though and he will do fine with it but could still use improvement.



Haven't seen the guy drop into pass coverage so I have no idea how he is at that but he seems to be pretty good at play recognition (again this is a highlight reel so it's hard to gauge) and his feet are incredibly quick so I'd imagine he holds up just fine in that area. If anyone has film of him dropping back I'd love to see it.

Also- Haven't researched Wade's 3-4 enough to know this but does anyone know how important coverage skills in his olb's are to him? I'm assuming they or maybe just one will be matched up with the TE alot but I have no idea. Do ILB's carry more coverage responsibilities? Actually... that question probably should go to another thread.



TL;DR- This guy looks like an absolute steal in the second round and I can't freaking wait to see him in battle red. This d could get pretty exciting soon.
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These guys label B-Reed as a workout warrior, overhyped player and a reach as a 2nd round pick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaZec...feature=relmfu

I mean, no, he's not Clay Matthews but he surely draws MANY favorable comparisons....including the hair. Last Samson drafted cut off his hair and now he's weak. I say keep it. You wanna prove something, prove your game, not your appearance.

I think it's going to be really hard to keep this guy on the sidelines. Can you imagine a nickel package like this:

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These guys label B-Reed as a workout warrior, overhyped player and a reach as a 2nd round pick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaZec...feature=relmfu

I mean, no, he's not Clay Matthews but he surely draws MANY favorable comparisons....including the hair. Last Samson drafted cut off his hair and now he's weak. I say keep it. You wanna prove something, prove your game, not your appearance.

I think it's going to be really hard to keep this guy on the sidelines. Can you imagine a nickel package like this:

----Barwin-Watt-Mario-Reed------
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While i really like your nickel package, i would rather see Mario on the outside and have reed/barwin switch off on the other side and have smith play the other DT position. I feel Mario is most effective at 4-3 DE
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On the last link, at 1:49, watch him blaze through the first 10 yards.

It looks like the QB had to account for Reed's pressure on almost every snap.
That was awesome!
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I wonder if Reed will get his hair chopped off like what happened to Cush his rookie year ...
I hope not, he needs to keep the locks.
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I can't wait to see him line up in positions where he's not taking on the LT every play.

It's hard to compare him to Clay at this point because Mathews was a LB in college, Reed is lining up with a hand on the ground against the other teams best lineman.

Looks like a baller to me.
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Have to think Cush will have the scissors/razor...
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While i really like your nickel package, i would rather see Mario on the outside and have reed/barwin switch off on the other side and have smith play the other DT position. I feel Mario is most effective at 4-3 DE
You feel that Antonio Smith is going to get more pressure up the middle than Mario or you still feel that Mario is a dominant pass rusher? Frankly I'm stoked to see AS on the sidelines for 3rd/long. Mario can stop worrying about where he stands presnap and start worrying about how most people think he's a good player but not a dominate one.
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I've broken down a single play from the last video that Gary linked in his original post. I tried to highlight, what I perceive to be, issues with stiffness and an inability to shed blocks.

Here's the meat of the breakdown:




Reed is lined up as the right defensive end at the top of the screen. Arizona St. is lined up in a 4 wide set with a slot receiver at the bottom of the screen coming in motion across the formation. The running back is to the right of the QB and will vacate the pocket as he drops into the flat leaving the quarterback to fend for himself. Note the position of the ball on the right hashmark. This is important as it will help to give us perspective of the quarterback's initial pocket and where the pressure is coming from as the pocket collapses.



As the ball is snapped the left tackle engages Reed who is rushing from the edge with a speed move. Despite the fact that Reed is very quick off the snap the tackle is able to square up on him with relative ease. I want you to look closely at the right defensive tackle who is being double teamed by the right guard and the center. In the next slide you will see that the quarterback has been forced to step up into the pocket due to Reeds quickness off the edge but it's not until the DT blows up the double team as he heads directly into the QB's line of sight that the passer is forced to leave the pocket .



Brooks Reed is dipping his shoulder in an attempt to collapse the edge and make his way to the quarterback. You see the QB begin to step forward as Reed has significant penetration upfield. While his speed has caused the QB to step forward, it's the DT who will actually cause the play to breakdown. Here he has already penetrated beyond the LG and has the C grossly out of position.



The Arizona State quarterback begins to step up into the pocket, and remains out of reach of Reed. The LT continues to stay squared on Reed as he rides him past the back of the pocket. Note that the quarterback has remained in the same spot relative to the hashmarks. While he has dropped back in the pocket and then stepped forward, Reeds attempt to collapse the back side of the pocket thus far has been unsuccessful. This is where my concern for his flexibility lack of power begins to take shape in this example. While Reed was quick off the snap, (as his 10 yard split would suggest) his inability to physically push the tackle will inevitably keep him out of this particular play. By this point the DT has completely beaten the LG and C's double team and the play begins to break down.



Reed's straight line speed has taken him as far as it could but now his stiffness will take him right out of the play. The Arizona St. QB is on the run but Reed can't turn to pursue him. The left tackle remains square on him. Physically, Reed is unable to get off of his block.



While the play is a success as the quarterback is basically in the grasp of the defense, Reed can be seen at the bottom left of the screen completely run out of the play and still engaged by the left tackle. At this point the LT actually quits on the play and releases Reed who proceeds to show off his "high motor" by running around as he scrambles to get in on a piece of the tackle. While his effort is commendable, he is basically ineffective. Despite showing great speed and quickness, Reed's inability to physically matchup with the bigger, stronger tackle (and there are a few of those in the NFL) highlights some of the issues I have with the 2nd round pick.

Brooks Reed is said to have a plethora of pass rush moves. Physically, I think it will be Reed's speed, not his moves that will give him his best chance to succeed. Will Wade Phillips be able to use him in situations that play to his quickness? It seems probable. Are those situations likely to be as an every-once-in-a-while pass rusher who's best asset is going to be getting to the edge quickly? I think that might be the case.

Reed will be able to force quarterbacks to step up in the pocket but I can't help but think that NFL tackles will be able to just usher him out of the play with ease because although he's quick, he's not squirmy for lack of a better term. He won't wiggle past guys. He'll spin and still be in the same place he was before. More of a pirouette than a spin move. Think of Dwight Freeney's terrifying speed rush that gets tackles to sell out their weight on the outside hip. Just when the tackle thinks he's safe, Freeney spins inside and you're toast. Reeds spin doesn't have him end up inside because his hips don't allow him to.


You guys can read the whole thing here but that's basically the stuff that I am seeing that's got me not-so-excited about the pick.
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I've broken down a single play from the last video that Gary linked in his original post. I tried to highlight, what I perceive to be, issues with stiffness and an inability to shed blocks.

Here's the meat of the breakdown:




Reed is lined up as the right defensive end at the top of the screen. Arizona St. is lined up in a 4 wide set with a slot receiver at the bottom of the screen coming in motion across the formation. The running back is to the right of the QB and will vacate the pocket as he drops into the flat leaving the quarterback to fend for himself. Note the position of the ball on the right hashmark. This is important as it will help to give us perspective of the quarterback's initial pocket and where the pressure is coming from as the pocket collapses.



As the ball is snapped the left tackle engages Reed who is rushing from the edge with a speed move. Despite the fact that Reed is very quick off the snap the tackle is able to square up on him with relative ease. I want you to look closely at the right defensive tackle who is being double teamed by the right guard and the center. In the next slide you will see that the quarterback has been forced to step up into the pocket due to Reeds quickness off the edge but it's not until the DT blows up the double team as he heads directly into the QB's line of sight that the passer is forced to leave the pocket .



Brooks Reed is dipping his shoulder in an attempt to collapse the edge and make his way to the quarterback. You see the QB begin to step forward as Reed has significant penetration upfield. While his speed has caused the QB to step forward, it's the DT who will actually cause the play to breakdown. Here he has already penetrated beyond the LG and has the C grossly out of position.



The Arizona State quarterback begins to step up into the pocket, and remains out of reach of Reed. The LT continues to stay squared on Reed as he rides him past the back of the pocket. Note that the quarterback has remained in the same spot relative to the hashmarks. While he has dropped back in the pocket and then stepped forward, Reeds attempt to collapse the back side of the pocket thus far has been unsuccessful. This is where my concern for his flexibility lack of power begins to take shape in this example. While Reed was quick off the snap, (as his 10 yard split would suggest) his inability to physically push the tackle will inevitably keep him out of this particular play. By this point the DT has completely beaten the LG and C's double team and the play begins to break down.



Reed's straight line speed has taken him as far as it could but now his stiffness will take him right out of the play. The Arizona St. QB is on the run but Reed can't turn to pursue him. The left tackle remains square on him. Physically, Reed is unable to get off of his block.



While the play is a success as the quarterback is basically in the grasp of the defense, Reed can be seen at the bottom left of the screen completely run out of the play and still engaged by the left tackle. At this point the LT actually quits on the play and releases Reed who proceeds to show off his "high motor" by running around as he scrambles to get in on a piece of the tackle. While his effort is commendable, he is basically ineffective. Despite showing great speed and quickness, Reed's inability to physically matchup with the bigger, stronger tackle (and there are a few of those in the NFL) highlights some of the issues I have with the 2nd round pick.

Brooks Reed is said to have a plethora of pass rush moves. Physically, I think it will be Reed's speed, not his moves that will give him his best chance to succeed. Will Wade Phillips be able to use him in situations that play to his quickness? It seems probable. Are those situations likely to be as an every-once-in-a-while pass rusher who's best asset is going to be getting to the edge quickly? I think that might be the case.

Reed will be able to force quarterbacks to step up in the pocket but I can't help but think that NFL tackles will be able to just usher him out of the play with ease because although he's quick, he's not squirmy for lack of a better term. He won't wiggle past guys. He'll spin and still be in the same place he was before. More of a pirouette than a spin move. Think of Dwight Freeney's terrifying speed rush that gets tackles to sell out their weight on the outside hip. Just when the tackle thinks he's safe, Freeney spins inside and you're toast. Reeds spin doesn't have him end up inside because his hips don't allow him to.


You guys can read the whole thing here but that's basically the stuff that I am seeing that's got me not-so-excited about the pick.
Super break down man. Are these still pictures you have or are you saving some portions of the video and using special software to help break it down?
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I'm just taking screen shots and selecting the specific location of the video. On a Macintosh it's Command + Shift + 4. It allows you to screen shot a specific portion of the image, in this case, the paused video.
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I'm just taking screen shots and selecting the specific location of the video. On a Macintosh it's Command + Shift + 4. It allows you to screen shot a specific portion of the image, in this case, the paused video.
Just screen shots I know about those I was just wonder if there was more.
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I had Reed rated as mid-to-late 2nd round.
I wouldn't worry about him.
He's a hard worker that will bring his lunch pail.
He will add to the rotation to help wear down the Offensive Tackle late in games.
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I wouldn't worry about him.
He's a hard worker that will bring his lunch pail.
He will add to the rotation to help wear down the Offensive Tackle late in games.
This is what really excites me about next season. I think between Mario, Watt, Antonio, Mitchell, Cody, Brooks, Barwin, Anderson, Cushing, Demeco, Sharpton... we've got some really solid guys that can rotate in and out keeping the Front 7 fresh. I think the intensity of practice and games will be higher and during the fourth quarter, we'll see some OL's starting to get tired of our guys being relentless.
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This is what really excites me about next season. I think between Mario, Watt, Antonio, Mitchell, Cody, Brooks, Barwin, Anderson, Cushing, Demeco, Sharpton... we've got some really solid guys that can rotate in and out keeping the Front 7 fresh. I think the intensity of practice and games will be higher and during the fourth quarter, we'll see some OL's starting to get tired of our guys being relentless.
D@mn stupid lockout!

BTW, anybody knows how I can take a screen shot from players like VLC or KMP and how to upload it to the forum?
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D@mn stupid lockout!

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