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Old 05-04-2011   #1
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Default Could we make the playoffs with a top 16 defense?

That would make us average. And I think that would be a lot to ask from a defense as bad as last year's making the 3-4 transition playing as tough a schedule as the Texans do in 2011. The 3-4 is a difficult conversion that usually takes more than a year, but we've seen recent examples like Green Bay and Denver recently (for 1 year with Nolan atleast) who have been pretty good right away. The Broncos were 7th in total defense, the Packers 2nd. All I'm asking for is top 16. Would this get us to the playoffs? I think so.

In 2009, we were top 17 in points and top 13 in yards, but that was an easier schedule and an injury-free defense.

Last year, we were 29th in points allowed and 30th in yards. But it also was a very tough schedule, toughest in the league or top 5 atleast if I remember correctly.

So far we've subtracted Frank Bush and staff, added Wade Phillips and staff, and added the draft class. Free agency is yet to come.
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I voted yes. If our defense could have just made a couple (or even just one in most cases) more stops, we could have won these games: San Diego, @ Jacksonville, NY Jets, Philadelphia, Baltimore, @ Tennessee and Denver.

That's 7 more wins we could have gotten with our defense being a little better.
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Hell they probably made the playoffs this past season with a defense in the top 20.
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Yes. Hell, aside from Kris Brown missing all those kicks in 2009, one can argue we should have been in the playoffs that year.
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Yep. Get a top 16 D and we might even win a playoff game or four.
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I voted yes. If our defense could have just made a couple (or even just one in most cases) more stops, we could have won these games: San Diego, @ Jacksonville, NY Jets, Philadelphia, Baltimore, @ Tennessee and Denver.

That's 7 more wins we could have gotten with our defense being a little better.
The Texans were never in that game in Tennessee. And if a couple of plays weren't made in the Washington or Kansas City games, the Texans record could have been even worse. Playing the coulda-woulda-shoulda game is misleading. The Texans didn't look remotely like a playoff team in 2010.

The Texans defense could finish in the top 16, but have a different wheel fall off in 2011. This team doesn't know how to win. And in virtually every game they play, the head coach is over matched. Will that ever change? When it does, I'll vote "yes".
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The Texans were never in that game in Tennessee. And if a couple of plays weren't made in the Washington or Kansas City games, the Texans record could have been even worse. Playing the coulda-woulda-shoulda game is misleading. The Texans didn't look remotely like a playoff team in 2010.

The Texans defense could finish in the top 16, but have a different wheel fall off in 2011. This team doesn't know how to win. And in virtually every game they play, the head coach is over matched. Will that ever change? When it does, I'll vote "yes".
Could not have said it any better. Just look at 2009 with Kubiak's pet Chris Brown. I think everybody but him could see that Chris Brown was done.
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Default Re: Could we make the playoffs with a top 16 defense?

Yes they could, but they had a top 16 defense in 2009 and didn't make the playoffs. So a top 16 defense assures nothing. Let Schaub or AJ go down and a top 16 defense will still result in 6-10 or worse with Dan O at QB.
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That would make us average. And I think that would be a lot to ask from a defense as bad as last year's making the 3-4 transition playing as tough a schedule as the Texans do in 2011. The 3-4 is a difficult conversion that usually takes more than a year, but we've seen recent examples like Green Bay and Denver recently (for 1 year with Nolan atleast) who have been pretty good right away. The Broncos were 7th in total defense, the Packers 2nd. All I'm asking for is top 16. Would this get us to the playoffs? I think so.
Miami and Denver both bolstered their pathetic defenses changing to the 3-4 in their respective terrible years. I'm pretty sure that Denver went from Bob Slowik to Mike Nolan and that year they weren't that bad on defense. Unfortunately Josh McDaniels ran Nolan off and the Broncos went right back to being terrible in a very short amount of time. I'm pretty sure the year after Miami went 1-15 they hired Parcells in some prominent role with the team, switched to the 3-4 and went to the damn playoffs the next year. Not too sure who the DC was off the top of my head. GB is another example of a team that got much better defensively with the switch. I think the real obstacle/hurdle for a team switching alignments is who is in charge of the defense. Proven guys can seem to get the job done over one offseason. The truncated offseason we are experiencing as a league hurts teams like us the most.

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In 2009, we were top 17 in points and top 13 in yards, but that was an easier schedule and an injury-free defense.

Last year, we were 29th in points allowed and 30th in yards. But it also was a very tough schedule, toughest in the league or top 5 atleast if I remember correctly.

So far we've subtracted Frank Bush and staff, added Wade Phillips and staff, and added the draft class. Free agency is yet to come.
We still didn't get all that many turnovers (Which has been a problem that has plagued our defense for more than just a season) in 2009. Even if our defense is average or below, if we end up top 10 in our turnover ratio we will go to the playoffs. Mediocre defenses look outstanding when they cause a large amount of turnovers, especially if the offense is decent. It's probably the one thing that this coaching staff has never had while they have been apart of the Texans. The defense has never been all that good at pulling down INT's or forcing fumbles. Even in 2009, which was probably one of the best defensive years we've had as a club, we were 20th in INT's and 22nd in FF's.

I didn't vote in the poll because the "average" defense can mean many different things. I don't think the Pats defense last year was that much better than ours, but they grab a lot of picks and they made plays when they had to. Force fumbles, sack the QB and pull down interceptions. If we can do just 2 out of those 3 doesn't really matter what our ranking by yardage or ppg is, we'll be in the playoffs.

EDIT: The Miami DC in 2008 was Dom Capers. lawl.
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The Texans were never in that game in Tennessee. And if a couple of plays weren't made in the Washington or Kansas City games, the Texans record could have been even worse. Playing the coulda-woulda-shoulda game is misleading. The Texans didn't look remotely like a playoff team in 2010.

The Texans defense could finish in the top 16, but have a different wheel fall off in 2011. This team doesn't know how to win. And in virtually every game they play, the head coach is over matched. Will that ever change? When it does, I'll vote "yes".
The question was IF we have a better defense, will we make the playoffs, so I'm going along the lines with IF our defense played better. IF our defense played better, we wouldn't have dug ourselves into such deep holes in the Washington and KC games.

You're right about the titans game though. Don't know why I remembered it differently.
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I'll repeat what I said a week or so ago. Changing one factor doesn't just change everything. Every game has many factors. Last season the offense was also starting slow and the team as a whole found themselves in a record number of double digit holes. These weren't 24-14 at half ones either..more like 17-3, where the team as a whole...offense and defense.. was failing. Even if the Defense had been a little better and it was 17-7 or 17-10, there is no guarantee the opposing defense would have acted the same or done things the same where the offense would have gone hurry up. Each game takes on a life of their own and as we have seen for the last 2 seasons, the Texans come out unprepared and found ways to lose games. So I can't honestly answer yes above without seeing a change in the way the team plays for 4 quarters.
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I'll repeat what I said a week or so ago. Changing one factor doesn't just change everything. Every game has many factors. Last season the offense was also starting slow and the team as a whole found themselves in a record number of double digit holes. These weren't 24-14 at half ones either..more like 17-3, where the team as a whole...offense and defense.. was failing. Even if the Defense had been a little better and it was 17-7 or 17-10, there is no guarantee the opposing defense would have acted the same or done things the same where the offense would have gone hurry up. Each game takes on a life of their own and as we have seen for the last 2 seasons, the Texans come out unprepared and found ways to lose games. So I can't honestly answer yes above without seeing a change in the way the team plays for 4 quarters.
I agree that it wouldn't make this team 14-2 or anything like that, but it would have changed at LEAST two games and improved the team to 8-8. (very likely 9-7)
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I'm saying yes even though it may be difficult for Foster to lead the league again. We have to get a better backup for Schaub. A better defense has to help the offense physically as well as emotionally.
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Probably. But what is most important is the turnover differential imo.

In 2009 we were "decent" in takeaways, but we were terrible in giving the ball away. A lot of this stemmed from no running game imo.

Last year we were very strong in not giving the ball away, but we were absolutely terrible in takeaways. We have to be above average in both areas to have a chance to make the playoffs. These stars have not aligned yet.
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Yep. Get a top 16 D and we might even win a playoff game or four.
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Yes they could, but they had a top 16 defense in 2009 and didn't make the playoffs. So a top 16 defense assures nothing. Let Schaub or AJ go down and a top 16 defense will still result in 6-10 or worse with Dan O at QB.
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Default Re: Could we make the playoffs with a top 16 defense?

Didnt we have a middle of the pack defense a couple of years ago? Didn't help then.
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Didnt we have a middle of the pack defense a couple of years ago? Didn't help then.
We also had a middle/lower of the pack offense as far as scoring and turnovers went. Lots of details go into this whole winning thing. As soon as you fix one area, another one breaks down. Reminds me of my 1st two wives and my truck.
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We also had a middle/lower of the pack offense as far as scoring and turnovers went. Lots of details go into this whole winning thing. As soon as you fix one area, another one breaks down. Reminds me of my 1st two wives and my truck.
Ouch, at least when your truck is done it doesn't take half you're stuff with it. Or in my case EVERYTHING!!! Beyatch even took the ice trays out of the freezer.

At least we should have some decent depth on offense this year. On d we are pretty much screwed if anyone Goes down.
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