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Old 05-02-2011   #21
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I doubt well be in base 34 alignment in short yardage situations. We will likely have a short yardage package. I think that having a big nt is good but I don't think it's absolutely necessary.
Holding on short yardage situations? It certainly didn't happen for us last year.
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Holding on short yardage situations? It certainly didn't happen for us last year.
There are a lot of things we didn't do well defensively last yr. I don't think it was all due to personnel.
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And while we`re on it - why not Watt at OLB? He played LB in highschool...
He was worked out at OLB...
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There are a lot of things we didn't do well defensively last yr. I don't think it was all due to personnel.
There are some D situations (3rd down and inches) that are unlikely to be solved without strength and weight.
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He was worked out at OLB...
So any chance he gets some reps there? Especially if Barwin is not 100%? I don`t know his game enough, so I don`t know how well he could play OLB...
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So any chance he gets some reps there? Especially if Barwin is not 100%? I don`t know his game enough, so I don`t know how well he could play OLB...
I would have to question the wisdom of trying to split a rookies responsibilities, especially from the beginning.
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There are some D situations (3rd down and inches) that are unlikely to be solved without strength and weight.
Strength sure. But I've seen plenty of teams make short yardage stops without 330 pound linemen clogging the middle.

Short yardage stops are really more about attitude. I'd rather have a bunch of talented, nasty 295 pound linemen than a bunch of fat guys who's best attribute is what the scale says when they step on it.

I'm not opposed to them getting a big guy. But big doesn't always equal successful. Gotta have some talent and attitude.
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I would have to question the wisdom of trying to split a rookies responsibilities, especially from the beginning.
I tend to agree, but I would take that as a case by case basis. Remember that crazy attempt to make a rookie linebacker the MLB and play caller back in '06? There were some that questioned that. I say find the rookies limit and don't ask too much too soon.
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As an everydown measure, Smith would get eaten alive and it would only lead to more off field blow ups/on field penalties. Frankly, he'll be lucky to play as a backup when Mario goes OLB for a down or when they go nickel. Between Mitchell, D Lewis (if he's still signed) and Cody, with Watt pulling situational duty, I think we're all blowing the NT thing out of proportion. Seems like if Wade wanted one, he would've gotten one draft wise.

Smith's best bet would be to QUIETLY ask Smithiak for a trade or just man up and QUIETLY bust balls/OLmen's heads. I don't think Wade would flinch to send him to a permanent bench seat and if he would, then we're already doomed.
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Where is this hated quote? I saw a comment where he said he preferred playing outside but this seems overblown. But to the original question, no Smith will not be the NT except in some sort of situational package and we most likely would be showing 4-3 at that point.
I remember hearing/reading somewhere that was a factor in him leaving the Cardinals as a FA, he no longer wanted to play in a 3-4 because he does not like it. Hate might be too strong a workd.
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I remember hearing/reading somewhere that was a factor in him leaving the Cardinals as a FA, he no longer wanted to play in a 3-4 because he does not like it. Hate might be too strong a workd.
I have heard that also that the reason he left the Cardinals was because he wanted to play in a 4-3. My thinking on this is if he doesnt want to be here then get rid of him. He is not good enough to be complaining about not wanting to be in this system and if he is going to complain all he is going to be is a distraction that his time does not need.
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I have heard that also that the reason he left the Cardinals was because he wanted to play in a 4-3. My thinking on this is if he doesnt want to be here then get rid of him. He is not good enough to be complaining about not wanting to be in this system and if he is going to complain all he is going to be is a distraction that his time does not need.
I think the reason he left the Cardinals, is because he was a free agent & someone made him an offer the Cardinals didn't want to match.

If Smith was the kind of guy that would balk on playing in a 4-3, I think he would balk on kicking inside on 3rd down & obvious passing situations.

The only guys who don't want to play DE in a 3-4, are the guys who want to/likes to rack up sacks. The guys who kick inside on passing downs & play DE (or NT for that matter) in the 3-4 are guys who go to work & don't worry about the superficial crap.
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There are some D situations (3rd down and inches) that are unlikely to be solved without strength and weight.
I see you asked about this on the Texans chat...

Nick pretty much echoed my sentiments...
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I see you asked about this on the Texans chat...

Nick pretty much echoed my sentiments...
Hmmm...

Well Rey, what did Nick have to say? Just axin'.
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I see you asked about this on the Texans chat...

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Hmmm...

Well Rey, what did Nick have to say? Just axin'.
He basically said that he thought the D was best at the run defense..............that he did recollect a problem with the run in short yardage. But he would not really have stats he could think of that would support that. He was concerned about the pass defense in 3rd and short.

It did not seem to answer the 3rd and inches against the run (vs "short yardage") where my main concern lies.

Rey, I agree, not every man has to be a 340 pound bruiser in the middle, but for every pound you knock off, you better have added an increment of strength and nasty to each. I saw no one last year that fit the bill.
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Well Rey, what did Nick have to say? Just axin'.

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Was that a big problem for the Texans last year? I don't know their stats in 3rd and short on defense off the top of my head, but they were much better at defending the run than the pass. What I remember as the Achilles' heel of the defense was getting beat on 3rd & long - 3rd and 12, 3rd and 15, situations where you thought they were definitely going to get the opposing offense off the field.
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Thanks guys. And Nick's right.
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A reason more/most concerning of run D in cases of "inches" is actuall 4th and inches (and that was where I was going with this), which tend to come up in the most critical of circumstances, not uncommonly determining winning or losing. No actual stats, but I seem to remember not generally faring very well in those run situations (including QB sneaks).
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A reason more/most concerning of run D in cases of "inches" is actuall 4th and inches (and that was where I was going with this), which tend to come up in the most critical of circumstances, not uncommonly determining winning or losing. No actual stats, but I seem to remember not generally faring very well in those run situations (including QB sneaks).
I also recall our offense being quite successful in similar situations so I question whether any defenses are great in a situation like that which favors the offense. For all I know we could be the worst in the league against such situations but I would have to see some stats before I jump to any conclusions.
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I also recall our offense being quite successful in similar situations so I question whether any defenses are great in a situation like that which favors the offense. For all I know we could be the worst in the league against such situations but I would have to see some stats before I jump to any conclusions.
Yeah, if I'm a HC, I go for it most of the time on 4th and inches. If we can't win that battle most of the time, I start drafting O-linemen like we just focused on the D in the draft this year. 4th and inches for O-linemen should be WIN-or-find-another-job time.

Could be that our D was even worse than most at it though... I'm not sayin' it wasn't.
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