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Old 04-30-2011   #1
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We couldnt draft Herzlich with the last pick in the draft? Screw you Rick Smith!!!!! Epic fail!!!!! You suck!!!!!!!!!! And this is after I have calmed down.
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Herzlich would've been better than the clown they chose. F. F minus.
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We couldnt draft Herzlich with the last pick in the draft? Screw you Rick Smith!!!!! Epic fail!!!!! You suck!!!!!!!!!! And this is after I have calmed down.
Calm down. Herzlich was diagnosed with a rare form of bone cancer---Ewing's sarcoma.

Virtually all of these I have operated on have been in kids and teenagers (quite uncommon in adults). This is the same distribution reported in the medical literature. The ones I have been involved with have all been on average the size of a medium apple at the time of diagnosis. One third of these have already spread by the time of diagnosis.

The use of chemotherapy has greatly improved survival rates for people with Ewing's sarcoma. If the tumor is small, localized in one area, and can be completely removed, the five-year survival rate is 80 percent, or better when surgery is accompanied by radiation therapy and chemotherapy. If the tumor is small but can't be removed, survival rate is about 70 percent.

However, if the tumor is large and inoperable, the survival rate is less than 60 percent, regardless of how well the bone cancer responds to chemotherapy or radiation therapy. (Keep in mind that all of these survival rates go down after five years.)

Even though reports claim there has been no spread, his age makes me somewhat suspicious. He is scheduled for chemotherapy and there is no mention of definitive surgery.

Chemotherapy of this sort will put him down, from football at least, for 1 year. If surgery can be performed subsequently, count on even longer. If surgery is performed, it is not unusual for the bone from which the tumor is removed ends up very prone to fracture due to compromised structural integrity, especially when exposed to trauma. In addition, if the tumor is large enough, it requires removal of significant amounts of surrounding muscle.
And if radiation therapy is added to the treatment, it would further damage more muscle tissue.

So as you can see, this probably is not a player that a team would feel very comfortable drafting.
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Calm down. Herzlich was diagnosed with a rare form of bone cancer---Ewing's sarcoma.

Virtually all of these I have operated on have been in kids and teenagers (quite uncommon in adults). This is the same distribution reported in the medical literature. The ones I have been involved with have all been on average the size of a medium apple. One third of these have already spread by the time of diagnosis.

The use of chemotherapy has greatly improved survival rates for people with Ewing's sarcoma. If the tumor is small, localized in one area, and can be completely removed, the five-year survival rate is 80 percent, or better when surgery is accompanied by radiation therapy and chemotherapy. If the tumor is small but can't be removed, survival rate is about 70 percent.

However, if the tumor is large and inoperable, the survival rate is less than 60 percent, regardless of how well the bone cancer responds to chemotherapy or radiation therapy.

Even though reports claim there has been no spread, his age makes me somewhat suspicious. He is scheduled for chemotherapy and there is no mention of definitive surgery.

Chemotherapy of this sort will put him down, from football at least, for 1 year. If surgery can be performed subsequently, count on even longer. If surgery is performed, it is not unusual for the bone from which the tumor is removed ends up very prone to fracture due to compromised structural integrity, especially when exposed to trauma. In addition, if the tumor is large enough, it requires removal of significant amounts of surrounding muscle.
And if radiation therapy is added to the treatment, it would further damage more muscle tissue.

So as you can see, this probably is not a player that a team would feel very comfortable drafting.
How dare you inject logic into the discussion. tsk tsk
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Calm down. Herzlich was diagnosed with a rare form of bone cancer---Ewing's sarcoma.

Virtually all of these I have operated on have been in kids and teenagers (quite uncommon in adults). This is the same distribution reported in the medical literature. The ones I have been involved with have all been on average the size of a medium apple. One third of these have already spread by the time of diagnosis.

The use of chemotherapy has greatly improved survival rates for people with Ewing's sarcoma. If the tumor is small, localized in one area, and can be completely removed, the five-year survival rate is 80 percent, or better when surgery is accompanied by radiation therapy and chemotherapy. If the tumor is small but can't be removed, survival rate is about 70 percent.

However, if the tumor is large and inoperable, the survival rate is less than 60 percent, regardless of how well the bone cancer responds to chemotherapy or radiation therapy. (Keep in mind that all of these survival rates go down after five years.)

Even though reports claim there has been no spread, his age makes me somewhat suspicious. He is scheduled for chemotherapy and there is no mention of definitive surgery.

Chemotherapy of this sort will put him down, from football at least, for 1 year. If surgery can be performed subsequently, count on even longer. If surgery is performed, it is not unusual for the bone from which the tumor is removed ends up very prone to fracture due to compromised structural integrity, especially when exposed to trauma. In addition, if the tumor is large enough, it requires removal of significant amounts of surrounding muscle.
And if radiation therapy is added to the treatment, it would further damage more muscle tissue.

So as you can see, this probably is not a player that a team would feel very comfortable drafting.
Thanks Doc (again) for having the kowledge, insight and perspective to share to those that have a predisposed hatred for Smith and the front office - AND this is coming from a person that can be hard on Rick Smith.
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Knowledge of his health condition aside, maybe the fact that 31 other teams passed on the guy should've tipped you off that his value was diminished.
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Thanks Doc (again) for having the kowledge, insight and perspective to share to those that have a predisposed hatred for Smith and the front office - AND this is coming from a person that can be hard on Rick Smith.
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Knowledge of his health condition aside, maybe the fact that 31 other teams passed on the guy should've tipped you off that his value was diminished.
My god, this has nothing to do with his value. Do you think the guy we drafted last has any real value? You guys are as clueless as the texans.
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I don't get it. Are there really people who give a shit about who we draft in the 7th round?
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My god, this has nothing to do with his value. Do you think the guy we drafted last has any real value? You guys are as clueless as the texans.
Why are you doing this?

It's obvious that you know you sort of screwed up. I mean, the dude wasn't picked because he's questionable. I bet even HE knows that.

This feels like you won't let go and you're going down swinging.

Just walk away. Everybody here has made the same sort of mistake: Making a strong statement and not having all the important information at the time.

I do it at least twice a day. Minimum. LOL.
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We couldnt draft Herzlich with the last pick in the draft? Screw you Rick Smith!!!!! Epic fail!!!!! You suck!!!!!!!!!! And this is after I have calmed down.
If you are crying about the last pick of the draft, Epic fail is just the beginning....
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I have a vision that includes many a criticizm of the front office for the next two months then acompanied with couch coaching through the preseason with every last body jumping on my wagon as soon as the season starts
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Why can't Smithiak get it right and draft more players undergoing chemo?

Epic fail!!!
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My god, this has nothing to do with his value. Do you think the guy we drafted last has any real value? You guys are as clueless as the texans.
You are absolutely right. The last pick in the draft aka Mr. Irrelevant has little to no value to the team.

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Regardless of recent success, You can't get too upset at who we pick at 254. After all, whoever else you wanted can still be had.
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Why are you doing this?

It's obvious that you know you sort of screwed up. I mean, the dude wasn't picked because he's questionable. I bet even HE knows that.

This feels like you won't let go and you're going down swinging.

Just walk away. Everybody here has made the same sort of mistake: Making a strong statement and not having all the important information at the time.

I do it at least twice a day. Minimum. LOL.

Wow, really? There is a reason they call the pick mr irrelevant. I don't care if he ever played a down for us. Do you think the guy we drafted will?

Oh and thanks doc clueless but I know all about his medical condition and that is the reason we should of drafted him. We could of made his dream of being drafted come true and what would it of cost us? The freaking last meaningless pick in the draft. Obviously none of you have had a life changing event that took away the dreams of someone you cared about.
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Wow, really? There is a reason they call the pick mr irrelevant. I don't care if he ever played a down for us. Do you think the guy we drafted will?

Oh and thanks doc clueless but I know all about his medical condition and that is the reason we should of drafted him. We could of made his dream of being drafted come true and what would it of cost us? The freaking last meaningless pick in the draft. Obviously none of you have had a life changing event that took away the dreams of someone you cared about.
You don't think we made Cheta Ozougwu's dream come true by drafting him? Besides, why do we even care about making someone's dream come true anyway. If the guy is not medically cleared as Doc CND says, why take him? The GM's job is to field the best football team he can, not worry about making a person's dream come true.

And if you really think Mr. Irrelevant cannot help the team, please look at my previous post in this thread.
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My god, this has nothing to do with his value. Do you think the guy we drafted last has any real value?
Then why did you post a thread about it?

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You guys are as clueless as the texans.
Aren't you the one who didn't know your guy had bone cancer?
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Why can't Smithiak get it right and draft more players undergoing chemo?

Epic fail!!!
Maybe if someone you cared about was diagnosed with a life threatening disease and had there lifes dream taken away from them you would be a little more in tune with reality.

And you mr self proclaimed draft guru, enlighten us to how much our new mr irrelevant will make a difference to this team. Or is your hand to sore to type anymore from patting yourself on the back everytime you half ass guessed at something during the draft?
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Is this thread for real? Bitching about us not taking a guy with cancer? Seriously?
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