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Old 04-29-2011   #1
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Default Safety in 4th?

Deunta Williams, UNC

Quinton Carter, OU

DeAndre McDaniel, Clemson

Joe Lefeged, Rutgers

Make your selection, one of them may become the next
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Quinton Carter FTW!!!
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Default Re: Safety in 4th?

According to my board:

1. Quinton Carter, FS, Oklahoma
2. Tyler Sash, SS, Iowa
3. Deandre McDaniel, S, Clemson
4. Ahmad Black, SS, Florida
5. Robert Sands, S, West Virginia
6. Deunta Williams, FS, North Carolina
7. Joe Lefeged, SS, Rutgers
8. Richard Sherman, CB/FS, Stanford.

If we're going to move GQ to FS, then I'd go Sash or McDaniel at SS.

But, someone like Shiloh Keo, Da'Norris Searcy, or Jeron Johnson could be available in the 6th.

A lot depends on if we're going to go hard after the FA SS out there and if GQ is going to FS.
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Wade Phillips loves safeties who can cover who's football IQ is high, can read & recognize coverages. Not another in the box safety like Pollard or someone who has to shade line of scrimmage to be effective. Moore, Culliver & Gilchrist are taken & off the board leaving Quinton Carter as the top safety prospect who would be another get for Wade Phillips defense. He played FS @ Oklahoma but see no reason why he couldn't play Strong Safety either. He would be a plug & play guy who could also start as a rookie, can you imagine FOUR ROOKIES starting on defense? WOW!

If Carter is off the board in the first 7 picks of the 4th rd. (Panthers, Seahawks, Bills, Bengals, Browns, Cardinals, Eagles) then Texans could look @ Deunta Williams, UNC, 6016 205 197. He has the type of range, speed & takes good angles to cover-up WR's overlapping CB coverages, plus he is probably the BEST PLAYMAKING safety in this draft & will make some picks. Only problem is that he is coming off a broken tibia so this is more a medical question. Texans have done a very through job evaluating prospects, not only skill sets & game tape, but off field back-ground checks to medical evaulations. If they (Texan doctors) feel Deunta will have a complete 100% recovery he will be the Texans 4th rd. pick.

If these two safety prospects are off Texan board (assuming they check out medically) Texans will trust their board rankings & take the highest player rated @ another need position. Could be OG/OT (Jason Pinkston, Pitt) DL (Guy Lawrence, Arizona State) or another OLB like Sam Acho, Texas.
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Deunta Williams FS North Carolina 4th
Love this guy. He makes plays all over the feild.


Robert Sands FS West Virginia 4th
Love this guy too. At 6'4" with great range and really good player who slumped a little last year but was looking like a 1st round selection the year before.

Quinton Carter FS Oklahoma 4th
Will come up and knock the tar out of WR's.

I really want Sands or Williams but will be happy with Carter.
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Deunta Williams FS North Carolina 4th
Love this guy. He makes plays all over the feild.


Robert Sands FS West Virginia 4th
Love this guy too. At 6'4" with great range and really good player who slumped a little last year but was looking like a 1st round selection the year before.

Quinton Carter FS Oklahoma 4th
Will come up and knock the tar out of WR's.

I really want Sands or Williams but will be happy with Carter.
Sands is impressive, in fact a physical freak, but does he fit Wade Phillips scheme/character make-up, injury history, work ethic etc...?
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Default Re: Safety in 4th?

Really like your first two as you know from our mock talks. Don't forget Chris Prosinski who can play both safeties.

03/22/2011 - NFL Draft Scout Riser: Chris Prosinski, FS, Wyoming: A very productive tackler in college, Prosinski surprised scouts with his athleticism; few expected the All-Mountain West pick to post a 4.39 40, 39 1/2-inch vertical, 4.28 short shuttle, and 11-foot-2-inch broad jump. That sort of performance may earn him late-round consideration, especially in a weak safety class. - Chad Reuter, NFLDraftScout.com

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Though Prosinski stayed in his home state of Wyoming, he could have gone to schools like Boise State, Georgia Tech, Harvard and Princeton. Getting recruited by good football programs and Ivy League schools is a clue about his strong combination of athleticism and intelligence -- something his play for the Cowboys also made evident.

He received one of five prestigious National Football Foundation National High School Scholar-Athlete awards before his redshirt season, and his first year on the field saw him rack up 37 tackles in reserve duty. He then earned honorable-mention Mountain West honors in 2008 (88 tackles, three interceptions, nine pass breakups), second-team all-conference accolades in 2009 (140 tackles, 3.5 TFL, six PBUs, two forced fumbles) and 2010 (108 tackles, two INTs, five PBUs, two FF).

Prosinski's excellent pro day workout (4.39 40, 39.5-inch vertical, 4.28 short shuttle, 6.85 three-cone), in addition to his durability, intelligence and production, will help regional scouts to sell their superiors on the tough safety's merits as a late-round addition to the roster.

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Positives: Centerfielder with straight-line speed and high football intelligence. Excellent closing speed when getting to the sideline or to ballcarriers over the middle. Most secure tackler on the team when technique is sound, keeps legs moving and uses arms to wrap after contact. Also cuts down ballcarriers with his shoulder when coming downhill. Recognizes routes coming into his area and has the recovery speed to get the angle on running backs down the opposite sideline and deep throws from play-action. Breaks up passes in front of receivers, at times making the interception, without interfering. Team captain in 2010.

Negatives: Sometimes resorts to ducking his head on open-field tackles instead of staying low and square. Not an intimidating hitter. Hesitates when plays slow down instead of inserting himself into the pile to prevent further yardage. Engulfed near the line on run plays by linemen and larger tight ends. Inconsistent finding his way through trash when flying up into the box.

--Chad Reuter

2010 Season
Prosinski ended his career ranked No. 4 in career tackles at UW with 373 career tackles. He ranked No. 3 in the MWC and No. 42 in the NCAA in tackles this season, averaging 9.0 tackles per game. He led Wyoming in tackles with a total of 108 in 2010, marking the second consecutive season in which he had over 100 tackles in a season. He had 140 in 2009.

2009 Season
Prosinski was voted Second Team All-Mountain West Conference at the conclusion of the 2009 season in balloting by the nine MWC head coaches and media from around the conference. He led Wyoming in tackles in `09, with 140. That ranks as the fourth best single-season tackle total in Wyoming school history. He also led all MWC defensive backs in tackles in `09. His single-game high in 2009 was 17 tackles versus No. 2 Texas. That ranked as the 18th best single-game tackle total in the country in `09. He had 16 tackles versus No. 25 ranked BYU and 13 each versus UNLV and No. 4 ranked TCU. Against TCU, he also returned a fumble 98 yards for a touchdown. Prosinski was credited with 12 tackles on the road at No. 19 ranked Utah. He earned MWC Defensive Player of the Week honors for his performance at Colorado State. Prosinski had 10 tackles, forced one fumble and made a huge tackle on third down and goal at the Wyoming four-yard line that forced CSU into a field goal and kept the Cowboys within two points at 16-14. Wyoming would later kick a field goal to capture a 17-16 victory over CSU. For the second consecutive year, he earned Academic All-Conference recognition. Prosinski was named his team's Defensive Back of the Year at the annual awards banquet.

2008 Season
In his first season as a starter, Prosinski earned Honorable Mention All-Conference accolades. He led the team in passes defended in 2008, with 12. That ranked him No. 4 in the MWC and No. 38 in the nation. He tied for the team lead in interceptions with senior linebacker Ward Dobbs -- each had three interceptions on the season. That also tied him for fourth best in the MWC and 96th nationally. Prosinski ranked No. 3 in total tackles for UW, with 88, and he ranked No. 15 in the Mountain West in that category. He had a season high 15 tackles at New Mexico. His other double-digit tackle performance came against Air Force, with 13 total tackles. He was credited with nine tackles in two other games -- versus Utah and at UNLV. Against North Dakota State, Prosinski intercepted two passes, broke up a third pass and recorded seven tackles. His third interception of the season came in the season finale versus Colorado State. Prosinski achieved Academic All-Conference honors for the first time in his UW career.

2007 Season
Prosinski was credited with 37 total tackles, 15 solos and 22 assists in his first season of competition at the college level. He also broke up one pass. Despite not starting, he ranked 12th on the Cowboy squad in tackles. His best individual game came against BYU as he was credited with 13 total tackles. He also had a six-tackle performance at Utah.

2006 Season
Redshirted. During the `06 season, Prosinski received a very exclusive honor as he was named one of only five former high school football student-athletes in the nation as a 2006 National Football Foundation (NFF) National High School Scholar-Athlete. Prosinski was the West Region honoree. Of all the high school football players in the nation approximately 2,500 are honored annually by the 120 NFF chapters across the country with NFF scholarships. From those 2,500 scholarship recipients only five receive the National High School Scholar-Athlete award.

High School
Prosinski was named the Offensive Player of the Year in the state of Wyoming by the Casper Star-Tribune. He was also named to the Super 25 by the Star-Tribune. Prosinski led Buffalo to back-to-back Wyoming 4A State titles and a 22-game winning streak during his junior and senior seasons. Prosinski played quarterback for the Buffalo Bison, but is projected as a safety for the Cowboys. Prosinski threw for 592 yards and eight touchdowns, and ran for 703 yards and 17 TDs from his quarterback position. He also excelled as a punt returner, averaging 23.5 yards per punt return. He returned two punts for touchdowns. In football, Prosinski was a two-time All-State selection and was the 4A East Player of the Year. He competed for the North Team in the 2006 Shrine Bowl of Wyoming. An outstanding basketball player, Prosinski played for his father Paul, who is Buffalo's head basketball coach. Buffalo won the 3A State Championship in basketball his senior season, posting a 23-2 record. Prosinski earned All-State honors for the second consecutive year and was named Player of the Game in the State Championship game. His junior year, he placed in four events at the state track and field championships. Prosinski won the state championship in the long jump, placed second in the 100 hurdles, third in the 300 hurdles and fourth in the triple jump.
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Quinn is moving to safety. So the pick should either be Carter, Acho or Powe.
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DeAndre McDaniel is so worth our 4th round pick. He would be our starting strong safety from the get go.
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Maybe one of my favorites grade range & that's the aforementioned Joe Lefeged, Rutgers. love this guy & Texans get a 5th in return to address NT possibly?

Deunta Williams, DeAndre McDaniel & Joe Lefeged still available.... need to replace Carter with another safety, how about Tyler Sash?
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Maybe one of my favorites grade range & that's the aforementioned Joe Lefeged, Rutgers. love this guy & Texans get a 5th in return to address NT possibly?

Deunta Williams, DeAndre McDaniel & Joe Lefeged still available.... need to replace Carter with another safety, how about Tyler Sash?
Sash has a nose for the ball :-)
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I guess they didnt like Quinten Carter?
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I guess they didnt like Quinten Carter?
Apparently not.

It's going to be interesting to see where they go from here on out.
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I guess Texans will address safety position in the 5th now? still have three of these guys still on the board
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No safety in the fourth. Maybe in the fifth.
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Shiloh Keo, SS Idaho, surprised Cowboys passed on him he was right there for the taking? not highly rated like DeAndre McDaniel or Tyler Sash but brings intangibles, warrior like mentality, aggressive & will compete on special teams.
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Deunta Williams
Chris Conte
Tyler Sash
DeAndre McDaniel
Joe Lefeged
Jeron Johnson

all still available mid 6th rd. just amazing to me
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Deunta Williams
Chris Conte
Tyler Sash
DeAndre McDaniel
Joe Lefeged
Jeron Johnson

all still available mid 6th rd. just amazing to me
Yeah, I've got a lot of guys with fairly high grades still on the board.

I expected Sash to be picked about 100 spots ago.

But Chris Conte went at 93.
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Maybe teams know something about those guys that we do not.
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Definitely.

I mean, that's one of the reasons I hate calling picks "reaches." The NFL guys know stuff that we don't. Unless you're in the War Rooms, you really don't know what anyone's board looks like. We only know how amateurs have these guys rated.
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