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Old 04-28-2011   #101
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Probably Smith. Or they might just use them all in rotation.

But I wouldn't be surprised if this is the end of the Okoye experiment. He was hoping to transition to DE and with Watt here, I can't see that happening anymore.
I probably would have drafted anther player in the first round if this is really the case but Watt does seem like good player though. I hope he works out for us though.
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Old 04-28-2011   #102
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So you think a current DE will be traded? If so then who?
I think its likely that someone will be traded or may even be cut. We have some huge salaries tied up in DE. Mario was the #1 pick overall so you know he's getting paid. Smith was a FA DE from the Super Bowl winning team, so its a fair bet he's getting paid too. Okoye is probably the cheapest of the three, but he's also the least productive. Now, we've got another DE mouth to feed in Watt. We would be spending too much money on one position.

The player with the most trade value would be Mario and then Smith. I don't think Okoye would have much of a trade value so if Phillips can mold him a bit, he's probably the most likely player to stay on our roster.
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The strength of this draft was the five tech 3-4 DE. Just look who the other big boy 3-4 defenses selected. Wade is trying to put the Texans on the map.
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If the Texans want Aaron Williams, they need to trade up now.
I say no to a trade up too many other CBs and FS available to go after this guy when Quin may move to FS under Phillips.
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I think its likely that someone will be traded or may even be cut. We have some huge salaries tied up in DE. Mario was the #1 pick overall so you know he's getting paid. Smith was a FA DE from the Super Bowl winning team, so its a fair bet he's getting paid too. Okoye is probably the cheapest of the three, but he's also the least productive. Now, we've got another DE mouth to feed in Watt. We would be spending too much money on one position.

The player with the most trade value would be Mario and then Smith. I don't think Okoye would have much of a trade value so if Phillips can mold him a bit, he's probably the most likely player to stay on our roster.
A.Smith isn't going anywhere. Mario probably isn't going anywhere. And, I think Wade intends to dump Okoye whether they can acquire a pick to do so, or not.
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The Texan defense needed a player who was going to do everything.. A guy with a high level of intensity, a strong work ethic and a non-stop motor, someone who is willing to surrender stats to make the defense as a whole better.

This is JJ Watt to a tee.

From everything I've read and seen from Badger fans who followed Watt's career, and from draft profile sites, noone will work harder than Watt. ESPN' folks even made mention of it: you're getting a player that will be moving at 100 miles an hour every play, from opening snap to the final seconds.

To me, EVERY team needs a JJ Watt on their roster.. The Texans sure as hell are no exception.

I've heard every comparison from Julius Peppers (I don't see it at all), to Aaron Smith, to Chris Long, to Bob Lilly.. Me personally, I see a LOT of Chris Long in him. That's a home run pick to me and just what the doctor ordered.

Regarding the OLB, I'm confident.. Brooks Reed is still available and can be had in the second.. Dontay Mock really has a nice profile. He can be had in the third. Hell, I may be the only one who thinks Mario will do just fine at OLB, but I do.

Either way, I'm stoked about the pick. For the person who said it was a reach, from what I hear, Dallas strongly considered him at 9. Detroit was interested at 13, as was Minnesota. He wasn't a complete reach.
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I guess this pick is growing on me. At first it was meh but now it looks to be a good solid pick.

I mean it never hurts to have guys with a non-stop motor. We always talk about we need emotion and toughness on our defense, well this guy looks the part. The more Cushing/Ryans type of players we get on this team the better.
+1

Not a major sexy pick, but hopefully he's a defensive mainstay for many years and his high motor rubs off on some people. Don't mind him pushing Smith and Williams for PT; young and hungry and talented versus guys not happy with the 3-4 switch who may not give 100% each play. Puts a little heat on our DEs.
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Hmm my thoughts safe Pick good pick was bassically the best DE on the board at that time

Can play prob multi positions will deff be able to free Up mario and Cushing on some plays maybe he can play some ILB on some plays and let Cushing rush on the OLB

anywayz like one guy said here Antonio Smith days are numberd here now has maybe in 2 years he can take his starting spot
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The strength of this draft was the five tech 3-4 DE. Just look who the other big boy 3-4 defenses selected. Wade is trying to put the Texans on the map.
If he is a true 5 tech, wouldn't it make more sense to stay in the 4-3??
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If he is a true 5 tech, wouldn't it make more sense to stay in the 4-3??
Again we run a hybrid 3/4 that is really like a 4/3.
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Again we run a hybrid 3/4 that is really like a 4/3.
In Wade's hybrid 3-4 one of your DEs will play the 5 tech, the rush OLB will line up as the other.

Both DEs do not line up as 5 techs.

If we're talking about bringing Watt in on passing downs only as a 5 tech opposite Mario, we just used the #11 pick in the 2011 draft to draft Connor Barwin.

So unless they plan on shopping Mario, this doesn't make sense to me.


I don't have a problem with shopping Mario, but until it happens, I'm just not seeing it.
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Again we run a hybrid 3/4 that is really like a 4/3.
that's an excellent point. Wade Phillips 3-4 is a little mix of both so all should be good, he really likes Mitchell starting with Cody as back-up nose. I've seen & talked with Earl this post season & he is very thick yet trim, not a fat boy slim, just beefy strong, smart has unbelievable work ethic too. Things are gonna be a lot better, I can feel it.
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I'm happy with the selection. I don't think anybody thought that Antonio Smith was our long term solution at 3-4 DE. It's a little bit of a bummer short-term as we need so many starters right now, but Watt looks like a great fit for the future. He'll also add depth. People undervalue depth at defensive line. Good defenses rotate guys throughout the game and Watt should still help us in the short-term even if he doesn't start.

Looking forward, we desperately need to do something about our outside linebacker and safety situation. The fact that we are drafting before we are getting guys in free agency is making this more stressful than usual.

We've got Barwin (maybe Cushing?) at OLB right now and that's it. If we don't get a young guy in this draft, I am going to be very nervous about the direction of the football team. This position is absolutely crucial in grading our draft as it is such a huge need.

My question now is, do we value outside linebacker or safety high enough to maybe reach on one here in the 2nd or do we just continue to go a tentative BPA style?
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I'm happy with the selection. I don't think anybody thought that Antonio Smith was our long term solution at 3-4 DE.
I agree with this.

But my point, is that you don't take a 3-4 DE with the 11th pick in the draft.
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We've got Barwin (maybe Cushing?) at OLB right now and that's it. If we don't get a young guy in this draft, I am going to be very nervous about the direction of the football team. This position is absolutely crucial in grading our draft as it is such a huge need.
What has Barwin done that Mark Anderson has not?

Anderson looks more fluid & explosive & if I were to guess, I would think he projects better at OLB than Barwin.

He had a hell of a rookie season, but dropped off around the same time that Bears defense mysteriously disappeared. Got a change of scenery in Houston & did a good job for a guy off the street.

He may very well be the biggest surprise of the season.

IMO, if we aren't getting Quin or Von Miller in the first, I think Anderson..... Barwin..... even Nading just as promising as anyone left.
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If the Texans want Aaron Williams, they need to trade up now.
They'd really only have to move past Dallas. San Francisco and Dallas are the teams ahead of them who need help at CB, and I forsee San Francisco taking a QB. It also wouldn't stun me to see Dallas pass on Williams.

Either way, whether it's Williams, Harris or Dowling, a pretty solid CB will be available in Round 2.
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I agree with this.

But my point, is that you don't take a 3-4 DE with the 11th pick in the draft.
Bad value Bad pick
Par for the course. Nothing to see here. Move along.
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I understand that. But that was the conversation.
No. The conversation was that he wasn't Reggie Bush or Vince Young. Everyone recognized that we didn't have a 4-3 DE on the roster, they just didn't think he was good enough to be number 1 overall.

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