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Old 04-25-2011   #1
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Default According to Adam Schefter: Patriots and Eagles looking to trade up

It's believed the Eagles could look to move up into the top ten to get Patrick Peterson or Prince Amukamara, while the Pats seem to be targeting Aldon Smith, Cameron Jordan or Tyron Smith.

Both teams have draft picks to spare and in the Eagles' case, they could dangle Kevin Kolb as bait to trade up with a team like Arizona or San Francisco, who are coveting QB upgrades.

From a Texan perspective, I'd not in the least be opposed to seeing to swap the 11th with New England and get the 28th and 33rd picks. Could take Aaron Williams at 28 and Brooks Reed at 33.. Or Justin Houston, depending on who falls.

I honestly could see the Cards and Eagles swapping picks with Arizona netting Kolb, a second and third.
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Kolb could only be traded if the lockout is over by draft day.
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Default Re: According to Adam Schefter: Patriots and Eagles looking to trade up

Honestly, I don't like trading down in this draft...Maybe the Texans have evaluated the players and feel their isn't much difference between the ones they covet later in the first round...

But I just don't like the idea of dropping down and picking up the best guy that falls to us...Unless of course they think that some of the guys slated to go later are actually better than some of the guys that will be available where they are at...

But just trading down and picking up the best guy that falls to you seems like FAIL. Especially when we are in need of differnce makers.

Not knowing how free agency is going to go, I would like to be more aggressive in the draft. If we are counting on a late first round pick, and a couple second rounders tho come in and play prominent roles I don't think we will be successful anyways. Those seem like great moves for the future, but we need to win immediately.
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I think I'd also make that trade.
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Could take Aaron Williams at 28 and Brooks Reed at 33.. Or Justin Houston, depending on who falls.
On paper it looks like a good deal. I just don't know if the Texans can get a top flight pass rusher that far down. I like some of the corners. But Duane Akina-coached CBs scare me. And at FS, Williams is a projection.

The more I look at it, I would be inclined to stay at #11.
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On paper it looks like a good deal. I just don't know if the Texans can get a top flight pass rusher that far down. I like some of the corners. But Duane Akina-coached CBs scare me. And at FS, Williams is a projection.

The more I look at it, I would be inclined to stay at #11.
Why is that??

Michael Griffin has been a great player.

Aaron Ross has been a pretty good player.

Quentin Jammer has been one of the best CB's in the league I'd say for the most part of the decade.

Quentin griffin who was a 3rd round pick has been a servicable starter.

Nathan Vasher was pretty good for a few years, but I'm not sure what happened to him now.

On the other side............

Michael Huff has been a total bust for the most part

I don't know what Tarrell Brown is doing, but he might be starting for all I know.



So, you take into account that Michael Griffin and Jammer have been pretty outstanding and then a few others have been pretty nice starters I don't see what is to be afraid of really. Sure there have been some of those guys that didn't measure up, but I don't think there has been really a pattern to be afraid of anyone.
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Honestly, I don't like trading down in this draft...Maybe the Texans have evaluated the players and feel their isn't much difference between the ones they covet later in the first round...

But I just don't like the idea of dropping down and picking up the best guy that falls to us...Unless of course they think that some of the guys slated to go later are actually better than some of the guys that will be available where they are at...

But just trading down and picking up the best guy that falls to you seems like FAIL. Especially when we are in need of differnce makers.

Not knowing how free agency is going to go, I would like to be more aggressive in the draft. If we are counting on a late first round pick, and a couple second rounders tho come in and play prominent roles I don't think we will be successful anyways. Those seem like great moves for the future, but we need to win immediately.
If it was the 18th and the 33, then it might be worth it.

Trading down to the 28th essentially removes the Texans from a shot at the elite players
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this proves to me that the Texans have been serious about trading with Dallas and perhaps the only smoke screen is the players they have interest in.
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When 2 teams that are great on draft day want to make a deal, I hang up.
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Why is that??

Michael Griffin has been a great player.

Aaron Ross has been a pretty good player.

Quentin Jammer has been one of the best CB's in the league I'd say for the most part of the decade.

Quentin griffin who was a 3rd round pick has been a servicable starter.

Nathan Vasher was pretty good for a few years, but I'm not sure what happened to him now.

On the other side............

Michael Huff has been a total bust for the most part

I don't know what Tarrell Brown is doing, but he might be starting for all I know.



So, you take into account that Michael Griffin and Jammer have been pretty outstanding and then a few others have been pretty nice starters I don't see what is to be afraid of really. Sure there have been some of those guys that didn't measure up, but I don't think there has been really a pattern to be afraid of anyone.
You gotta remember, we're talking about Smithiak here, not a GM and HC with an eye for talent.
They could screw up a one car parade on draft day or game day.
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Default Re: According to Adam Schefter: Patriots and Eagles looking to trade up

#11 is worth more than #28 and #33. I would take #17 and #33 though.

Unless Quinn is there at #11 or unless they are in love with Julio Jones at #11, I would like a trade down. They seem in love with Aldon Smith, but I don't want him at #11. We need guys with lean and speed, not another bullrusher at #11. He just smells like a JAG. Just another guy.

Quinn is special but has risks. They may have been burned by Cushing re:risks, so maybe they pass on him if available. I dunno. Getting more and more excited for this draft though.
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Value charting for trades 1st-4th round:

Houston picks (number - points):
#11 - 1250
#42 - 480
#73 - 225
#105 - 84
Total points: 2039

Patriots picks:
#17 - 950
#28 - 660
#33 - 580
#60 - 300
#74 - 220
#92 - 132
#125 - 47
Total points: 2889

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Trade 1 - Big swap:
If you were to take out the #17 pick, you would have 1939 points for the rest of the Patriots picks up to #125, then trade all of the Houston 1-4 picks (2039) and you're losing 100 points in perceived value, but picking up 6 players in the top 125 instead of 4. I doubt NE would go for that, but why not ask? We need more depth, and the 2-4th rounds offers a lot of solid backups and potential starters 1-3 years from now. Might be able to swap the Texans 6th for their 5th as well, but I'm willing to leave those points out there if we can get some extra picks in the process.

Trade 2 - Get a 1st and two 3rds:
Trade the 11th pick and a 5th (1287 points) for the Patriots #17, 74 and 92 picks - total of 1302. We get the better value of this trade by a small margin, but we come out with another 3rd in the process. The Pats can get the DE or OT they are looking for, and the Texans may be able to grab a good OLB at 17. Use the two 3rd round picks to help bolster whatever positions that have not been addressed at this point. Probably WR, S and NT.

Trade 3 - get a 1st/2nd/3rd:
Houston trades 11 & 42 (1730 points) for the Patriots #17, 33 and 74 picks (1750 points). Getting an extra 3rd is important, because we need to fill holes. Moving up to the top of the second round means we will have our pick of the litter on day 2, or more importantly, may have other teams calling about X player who fell out of the 1st round. It gives us a special opportunity to trade down again in the second and pick up another 3rd in the process. Of course this would take some shrewd GM work, but if it happened, it may save Rick Smith's job.
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Default Re: According to Adam Schefter: Patriots and Eagles looking to trade up

it is nice that it looks like teams are looking to move up into our range. i just worry about the current regime mortgaging draft futures, without worrying about the repercussions. after all, if this year sucks they will be gone and it would retard the development of the next regime.

just stay at #11 or trade down. no Ricky Williams type deals to move up. I love Ditka but that was a blunder..almost as bad a blunder as hiring MasterP to be your sports agent.
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You gotta remember, we're talking about Smithiak here, not a GM and HC with an eye for talent.
They could screw up a one car parade on draft day or game day.
Personally I don't see the Texans ever taking one of the UT stud DB's in the first round ever. They had a shot at Michael Griffin and passed him right up when we desperately needed a safety. I don't think that Earl Thomas was even on their radar.
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When 2 teams that are great on draft day want to make a deal, I hang up.
Not only do you hang up, right after that you draft the player they are after.

Also why every year does everyone want to trade down? I sort of agree with Rey, the Texans need a impact player on defense. Trading down lowers our chances of doing that.
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Not only do you hang up, right after that you draft the player they are after.

Also why every year does everyone want to trade down? I sort of agree with Rey, the Texans need a impact player on defense. Trading down lowers our chances of doing that.
I think it's gonna be tough to find an impact player at 11 unless a Quinn or Julio drop. If they can still get their guy, like Aldon Smith, at 23 why not trade down?

There is a logic to not trading with Belichik but as long as it's for their earlier 1stRder, I would take the call and at least listen.
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I think it's gonna be tough to find an impact player at 11 unless a Quinn or Julio drop. If they can still get their guy, like Aldon Smith, at 23 why not trade down?
I don't know about trading up. I agree with you that I'd hate to lose picks for next year's draft. I don't think trading up is worth losing a 1st rounder for next year.

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There is a logic to not trading with Belichik but as long as it's for their earlier 1stRder, I would take the call and at least listen.
Do you honestly want Rick Smith anywhere near a negotiation with Bill Billicheck on draft picks? That would be like taking candy from a baby for Bill Billicheck. Hells no.
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I don't know about trading up. I agree with you that I'd hate to lose picks for next year's draft. I don't think trading up is worth losing a 1st rounder for next year.



Do you honestly want Rick Smith anywhere near a negotiation with Bill Billicheck on draft picks? That would be like taking candy from a baby for Bill Billicheck. Hells no.
Last year Houston traded the 62nd pick (Brandon Spikes) and 150th (5th round - Zoltan Mesko) to New England for the 58th pick (Ben Tate).

Not a great deal, but I think there was at least one other team vying for Tate after Gerhart went off the board.
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